Conundrum 1 #26 August 30, 2004 That was a lovely speech. Inaccurate, ( for me personally ) but well written. Some people agree that it's smart to wear a helmet, others don't see the need for one, why... I will never understand. It's a matter of opinion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Kris 0 #27 August 30, 2004 QuoteI'm not judging him, I'm judging what he did. I like Indian Larry and his work as much as the next guy. Riding a motorcycle or stunting one, without a helmet is not smart, I don't care who you are or how long you've been doing it. His 50 years experience did not make him perfect... obviously. Seconded...Larry was a definite pioneer and contributed an unimaginable amount to the world of motorcycling. However, that being said, stunting without a lid on is still a squid maneuver, professional or not.Sky, Muff Bro, Rodriguez Bro, and Bastion of Purity and Innocence!™ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhillyKev 0 #28 August 30, 2004 QuoteSome people agree that it's smart to wear a helmet, others don't see the need for one, why Some people believe that helmets inhibit your ability to see and hear what is around you. They also believe that they contribute to neck injuries and along those lines would rather die of a head injury than live as a quadraplegic. I don't agree with those sentiments and voluntarily wear a helmet (they aren't required here). But I don't hold anything against those who ride without. And I definitely wouldn't call someone stupid for not wearing one. It's an argument akin to RSL or no RSL. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites MrHixxx 0 #29 August 30, 2004 Being someone who's life was saved by a helmet, I think the whole ".don't want to live as a quad..." argument is bunk. My neck has been fine for 650 skydives since a dollar size chunk was taken out of my helmet instead of my head. It was more likely that I would have been living as a vegetable without paralysis without the helmet in the crash... peace, Hixxxdeath,as men call him, ends what they call men -but beauty is more now than dying’s when Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhillyKev 0 #30 August 30, 2004 I agree with you and we're both welcome to our opinions. But I still wouldn't call someone stupid for not wearing one. It's their choice and they get to live, or die, with it. For many people, riding a motorcycle gives them a feeling of freedom and independence and wearing a helmet restricts that experience for them. They ride for the feeling it gives them and don't want to compromise that. It's the choice that they make. Some people skydive without helmets, without shoes. Some people drive jeeps and convertibles, they're more dangerous than other cars. If someone thinks wearing a helmet infringes on their enjoyment and chooses not to wear one, they're making a choice. If they think they're invincible and won't ever have an accident, then you could call them stupid. But choosing whether to use a safety device or not based on its impact of someones riding enjoyment is a choice, not ignorance. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Conundrum 1 #31 August 30, 2004 QuoteI agree with you and we're both welcome to our opinions. But I still wouldn't call someone stupid for not wearing one. You're right, and I guess I shouldn't have used the word "stupid" in the way that I did. I still shake my head at people who don't wear one, though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mattjw916 2 #32 August 30, 2004 My life was likely saved by a helmet in a motorcycle accident as well and I still have the helmet with the HUGE gouge right on the temple as a reminder. While I respect Indian Larry's accomplishments and his passion for motorcycling I really think he exercised poor judgement as well. I have a friend that has been a professional motorcycle stunt man for as long as, if not longer than, Indian Larry and was saved on many occasions by his helmet and leathers. If he was wearing a helmet we would likely be reading about Indian Larry getting a concussion in a crash vs. his obituary. He will be missed... FWIW in college I wrote a huge research paper on motorcycle accidents and fatalities with respect to helmet use and the numbers speak for themselves. In low-moderate speed accidents they mitigate the risk of brain injury greatly... PERIOD!NSCR-2376, SCR-15080 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites hookitt 1 #33 August 30, 2004 hehe.. I agree with you. Not wearing a helmet is stupid. If a person chooses not to I guess it's up to them but I will always think that smacking your head against hard surfaces without a proper head protection is bad. Helmets leading to neck injuries after a crash? LOL.. whatever Ok, so after tank slapping the handle bars tipping over high side and the first point of impact is the face, the helmet has everything to do with keeping that face. Of course face impacts require good fitting full face helmets. I used to ride. I wouldn't do it with out a good full face helmet. Beyond a shadow of a doubt, I would not be alive had I felt the need to ride sans helmet. Oh I couldn't imagine what kind of recovery it would have taken with out the Jacket. People ride in less the proper riding atire all the time. Most of those people do not know what it feels like to suddenly be traveling across the ground with out the bike still under them. I promise it hurts. Sucks that Indian Larry died. Sure wish he would have smacked his head on the inside of a helmet instead of the ground, but he didn't. He will be missed. He had his choice, I can respect that. In other high risk of impact sports, (and I'm not talking about landing with out a parachute) lots of people don't wear proper body body protection. I will always think it's a very bad Idea, and will never be able to do a damn thing about it. However, In some instances, my views have caused others to change their habits and do wear proper body protection. Those people make me happy. Cheers Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SniperCJ 0 #34 August 30, 2004 Geez, this started out as a tribute / goodby to Indian Larry, who built some of the coolest customs around and now its a friggin helmet / no-helmet debate... Lets get back to the topic at hand... Good bye Indian Larry. Rest in Peace. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites CRWDogRigger 0 #35 August 30, 2004 Agree with you on the matter of the helmet rant. This post started as a tribute to a man of great talent in his field, I too would like to keep to the original topic and share our well wishes to his family while paying respect. If there is use for a seperate topic on helmets while on a bike or in the air, let's share those thoughts there. Was thinking that many of us might have a favorite bike Larry built or an event we saw him attend, etc and to celebrate what he did in life we could uplift him in memory rather than criticize. I particularly liked when he did a "build off" with Billy Lane, the two bikes really did make it hard to chose a favorite but Larry's old style did have the edge for sure! Much Respect Larry, Rest Well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites hookitt 1 #36 August 30, 2004 http://www.indianlarry.com/ This is a Slow site so if you're on Dial up, you may not want to open it. Check out the gallery. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhillyKev 0 #37 August 30, 2004 Sorry, didn't mean to turn it into that. It just offended me that people should call the man who just died "stupid" for making a personal choice. Thread in Speakers Corner for that discussion. Larry's style is my personal favorite. Old school chopped without the full on raked out front. And he lived the life he wanted. I agree with the above person who said it's silly to say he died doing what he loved. But what you can say is that he lived the way that he wanted. Whether or not anyone thought it was stupid. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cderham 0 #38 August 30, 2004 R.I.P. Larry -- You have brought forward the next craz of choppers from the 60's/70's with a touch of new school. You were an innovator never a replicater. Ride fast my brother and I will find it a honor to see you again when my number is someday called. IN GOD WE TRUST VENGENCE IS MINE SAYETH THE LORD NO FEAR Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JoeyRamone 0 #39 August 30, 2004 Geez, this started out as a tribute / goodby to Indian Larry, who built some of the coolest customs around and now its a friggin helmet / no-helmet debate... Lets get back to the topic at hand... Good bye Indian Larry. Rest in Peace. *** Thank you and to all the others with the kind words. I lost a friend, as did many others. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Luv2Fall 0 #40 August 30, 2004 Rest in peace, Bro. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #41 August 31, 2004 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bodypilot1 0 #42 August 31, 2004 QuoteI still shake my head at people who don't wear one, though. Just maybe the same way other people shake their heads at us for jumping from planes? Huh? Stupid? Wearing a helmet should ALWAYS be a choice. Nothing is 100% safe, and choosing to do what you love and doing it the way you love to do it is all that matters.... -www.WestCoastWingsuits.com www.PrecisionSkydiving.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Conundrum 1 #43 August 31, 2004 Quote Just maybe the same way other people shake their heads at us for jumping from planes? Huh? Stupid? Yes, it's exactly the same, and people are entitled to their opinions as am I. You don't want to agree with my opinion, that's fine. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mjosparky 4 #44 August 31, 2004 QuoteQuote Just maybe the same way other people shake their heads at us for jumping from planes? Huh? Stupid? Yes, it's exactly the same, and people are entitled to their opinions as am I. You don't want to agree with my opinion, that's fine. There are many times when doing a stunt, when the story board requires you not wear any protective equipment that will show up on the film. You may think that is "stupid" but that is the way some people make their living. A few years back a stunt man named Dar Robinson died doing a bike gig and he was wearing a helmet. You may say he was smarter than Larry but he is just a dead. Doing stunts is dangerous, but so is skydiving. Are we all stupid, or just willing to accept the risk? jmoMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites MC208B 0 #45 August 31, 2004 Hey Hook, stop laughing out laoud about helments causing "neck" injuries, that pisses me off My older brother was killed in late 82 when he ran his hog off the freeway in Baton Rouge, went into a tatally grassy area where he and the bike flipped over and around several times. He laid in a hospital bed for a day in a coma and died from massive bleeding in his brain stem that couldn't be fixed. I think that you could refer to that as his neck area. He did not have a broken bone or scratch on his body. So, his fucking helmet killed him along with the high speed M/C crash. As for those of you that think that people are "stupid" for not wearing a helmet, FUCKOFF!!! Of course, nothing personal...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites evilivan 0 #46 August 31, 2004 QuoteQuote Just maybe the same way other people shake their heads at us for jumping from planes? Huh? Stupid? Yes, it's exactly the same, and people are entitled to their opinions as am I. You don't want to agree with my opinion, that's fine. ....perhaps bringing it up in a condolence thread wasn't the best place - this isn't incidents (although obviously this incident would not have applied there), we weren't discussing whether what he did was clever or not, just sorry to see him go."If you can keep your head when all around you have lost theirs, then you probably haven't understood the seriousness of the situation." David Brent Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhreeZone 20 #47 August 31, 2004 An impromto hop up on the seat hardly qualifies as a storyboarded stunt. Stunt in this context is the same as saying a hook turn is a stunt. 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Kris 0 #27 August 30, 2004 QuoteI'm not judging him, I'm judging what he did. I like Indian Larry and his work as much as the next guy. Riding a motorcycle or stunting one, without a helmet is not smart, I don't care who you are or how long you've been doing it. His 50 years experience did not make him perfect... obviously. Seconded...Larry was a definite pioneer and contributed an unimaginable amount to the world of motorcycling. However, that being said, stunting without a lid on is still a squid maneuver, professional or not.Sky, Muff Bro, Rodriguez Bro, and Bastion of Purity and Innocence!™ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #28 August 30, 2004 QuoteSome people agree that it's smart to wear a helmet, others don't see the need for one, why Some people believe that helmets inhibit your ability to see and hear what is around you. They also believe that they contribute to neck injuries and along those lines would rather die of a head injury than live as a quadraplegic. I don't agree with those sentiments and voluntarily wear a helmet (they aren't required here). But I don't hold anything against those who ride without. And I definitely wouldn't call someone stupid for not wearing one. It's an argument akin to RSL or no RSL. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrHixxx 0 #29 August 30, 2004 Being someone who's life was saved by a helmet, I think the whole ".don't want to live as a quad..." argument is bunk. My neck has been fine for 650 skydives since a dollar size chunk was taken out of my helmet instead of my head. It was more likely that I would have been living as a vegetable without paralysis without the helmet in the crash... peace, Hixxxdeath,as men call him, ends what they call men -but beauty is more now than dying’s when Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #30 August 30, 2004 I agree with you and we're both welcome to our opinions. But I still wouldn't call someone stupid for not wearing one. It's their choice and they get to live, or die, with it. For many people, riding a motorcycle gives them a feeling of freedom and independence and wearing a helmet restricts that experience for them. They ride for the feeling it gives them and don't want to compromise that. It's the choice that they make. Some people skydive without helmets, without shoes. Some people drive jeeps and convertibles, they're more dangerous than other cars. If someone thinks wearing a helmet infringes on their enjoyment and chooses not to wear one, they're making a choice. If they think they're invincible and won't ever have an accident, then you could call them stupid. But choosing whether to use a safety device or not based on its impact of someones riding enjoyment is a choice, not ignorance. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Conundrum 1 #31 August 30, 2004 QuoteI agree with you and we're both welcome to our opinions. But I still wouldn't call someone stupid for not wearing one. You're right, and I guess I shouldn't have used the word "stupid" in the way that I did. I still shake my head at people who don't wear one, though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mattjw916 2 #32 August 30, 2004 My life was likely saved by a helmet in a motorcycle accident as well and I still have the helmet with the HUGE gouge right on the temple as a reminder. While I respect Indian Larry's accomplishments and his passion for motorcycling I really think he exercised poor judgement as well. I have a friend that has been a professional motorcycle stunt man for as long as, if not longer than, Indian Larry and was saved on many occasions by his helmet and leathers. If he was wearing a helmet we would likely be reading about Indian Larry getting a concussion in a crash vs. his obituary. He will be missed... FWIW in college I wrote a huge research paper on motorcycle accidents and fatalities with respect to helmet use and the numbers speak for themselves. In low-moderate speed accidents they mitigate the risk of brain injury greatly... PERIOD!NSCR-2376, SCR-15080 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 1 #33 August 30, 2004 hehe.. I agree with you. Not wearing a helmet is stupid. If a person chooses not to I guess it's up to them but I will always think that smacking your head against hard surfaces without a proper head protection is bad. Helmets leading to neck injuries after a crash? LOL.. whatever Ok, so after tank slapping the handle bars tipping over high side and the first point of impact is the face, the helmet has everything to do with keeping that face. Of course face impacts require good fitting full face helmets. I used to ride. I wouldn't do it with out a good full face helmet. Beyond a shadow of a doubt, I would not be alive had I felt the need to ride sans helmet. Oh I couldn't imagine what kind of recovery it would have taken with out the Jacket. People ride in less the proper riding atire all the time. Most of those people do not know what it feels like to suddenly be traveling across the ground with out the bike still under them. I promise it hurts. Sucks that Indian Larry died. Sure wish he would have smacked his head on the inside of a helmet instead of the ground, but he didn't. He will be missed. He had his choice, I can respect that. In other high risk of impact sports, (and I'm not talking about landing with out a parachute) lots of people don't wear proper body body protection. I will always think it's a very bad Idea, and will never be able to do a damn thing about it. However, In some instances, my views have caused others to change their habits and do wear proper body protection. Those people make me happy. Cheers Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SniperCJ 0 #34 August 30, 2004 Geez, this started out as a tribute / goodby to Indian Larry, who built some of the coolest customs around and now its a friggin helmet / no-helmet debate... Lets get back to the topic at hand... Good bye Indian Larry. Rest in Peace. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CRWDogRigger 0 #35 August 30, 2004 Agree with you on the matter of the helmet rant. This post started as a tribute to a man of great talent in his field, I too would like to keep to the original topic and share our well wishes to his family while paying respect. If there is use for a seperate topic on helmets while on a bike or in the air, let's share those thoughts there. Was thinking that many of us might have a favorite bike Larry built or an event we saw him attend, etc and to celebrate what he did in life we could uplift him in memory rather than criticize. I particularly liked when he did a "build off" with Billy Lane, the two bikes really did make it hard to chose a favorite but Larry's old style did have the edge for sure! Much Respect Larry, Rest Well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 1 #36 August 30, 2004 http://www.indianlarry.com/ This is a Slow site so if you're on Dial up, you may not want to open it. Check out the gallery. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #37 August 30, 2004 Sorry, didn't mean to turn it into that. It just offended me that people should call the man who just died "stupid" for making a personal choice. Thread in Speakers Corner for that discussion. Larry's style is my personal favorite. Old school chopped without the full on raked out front. And he lived the life he wanted. I agree with the above person who said it's silly to say he died doing what he loved. But what you can say is that he lived the way that he wanted. Whether or not anyone thought it was stupid. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cderham 0 #38 August 30, 2004 R.I.P. Larry -- You have brought forward the next craz of choppers from the 60's/70's with a touch of new school. You were an innovator never a replicater. Ride fast my brother and I will find it a honor to see you again when my number is someday called. IN GOD WE TRUST VENGENCE IS MINE SAYETH THE LORD NO FEAR Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeyRamone 0 #39 August 30, 2004 Geez, this started out as a tribute / goodby to Indian Larry, who built some of the coolest customs around and now its a friggin helmet / no-helmet debate... Lets get back to the topic at hand... Good bye Indian Larry. Rest in Peace. *** Thank you and to all the others with the kind words. I lost a friend, as did many others. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Luv2Fall 0 #40 August 30, 2004 Rest in peace, Bro. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot1 0 #42 August 31, 2004 QuoteI still shake my head at people who don't wear one, though. Just maybe the same way other people shake their heads at us for jumping from planes? Huh? Stupid? Wearing a helmet should ALWAYS be a choice. Nothing is 100% safe, and choosing to do what you love and doing it the way you love to do it is all that matters.... -www.WestCoastWingsuits.com www.PrecisionSkydiving.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Conundrum 1 #43 August 31, 2004 Quote Just maybe the same way other people shake their heads at us for jumping from planes? Huh? Stupid? Yes, it's exactly the same, and people are entitled to their opinions as am I. You don't want to agree with my opinion, that's fine. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #44 August 31, 2004 QuoteQuote Just maybe the same way other people shake their heads at us for jumping from planes? Huh? Stupid? Yes, it's exactly the same, and people are entitled to their opinions as am I. You don't want to agree with my opinion, that's fine. There are many times when doing a stunt, when the story board requires you not wear any protective equipment that will show up on the film. You may think that is "stupid" but that is the way some people make their living. A few years back a stunt man named Dar Robinson died doing a bike gig and he was wearing a helmet. You may say he was smarter than Larry but he is just a dead. Doing stunts is dangerous, but so is skydiving. Are we all stupid, or just willing to accept the risk? jmoMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MC208B 0 #45 August 31, 2004 Hey Hook, stop laughing out laoud about helments causing "neck" injuries, that pisses me off My older brother was killed in late 82 when he ran his hog off the freeway in Baton Rouge, went into a tatally grassy area where he and the bike flipped over and around several times. He laid in a hospital bed for a day in a coma and died from massive bleeding in his brain stem that couldn't be fixed. I think that you could refer to that as his neck area. He did not have a broken bone or scratch on his body. So, his fucking helmet killed him along with the high speed M/C crash. As for those of you that think that people are "stupid" for not wearing a helmet, FUCKOFF!!! Of course, nothing personal...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
evilivan 0 #46 August 31, 2004 QuoteQuote Just maybe the same way other people shake their heads at us for jumping from planes? Huh? Stupid? Yes, it's exactly the same, and people are entitled to their opinions as am I. You don't want to agree with my opinion, that's fine. ....perhaps bringing it up in a condolence thread wasn't the best place - this isn't incidents (although obviously this incident would not have applied there), we weren't discussing whether what he did was clever or not, just sorry to see him go."If you can keep your head when all around you have lost theirs, then you probably haven't understood the seriousness of the situation." David Brent Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #47 August 31, 2004 An impromto hop up on the seat hardly qualifies as a storyboarded stunt. Stunt in this context is the same as saying a hook turn is a stunt. Larry had some unusual and attractive bikes, his influence on garage builder is huge.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeyRamone 0 #48 August 31, 2004 Dar Robinson died doing a bike gig *** Hell dar died on his way home from work on his bike. One of the best stunt men ever.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wildblue 7 #49 August 31, 2004 Helmet thread to keep this one on track...it's like incest - you're substituting convenience for quality Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
droquette 0 #50 August 31, 2004 QuoteIt's really unfortunate that he had this accident, but it's from his own stupidity. whats your problem? I hope nobody has any comments like that for me when I am permenantly in the sky. stupid biatch.... RIP Larry Forever freeQuoteHISPA 72 ----- "Muff Brother" 3733 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 2 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
