Zenister 0 #26 September 4, 2004 QuoteAs for base jumping. My first time....You think Ann will shove me off the bridge and sream "pull as low as ya like"...Hell no. It will be the professional, structrued, safe as can be program she runs....Basic Research takes the most dangerous sport in the world and makes it safe to learn. all without ANYONE to tell them what, when, where, and how to teach and train..... i guess they need some regulation to make it 'safe' for them too.... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Duckwater 0 #27 September 4, 2004 1. Base jumping is a sport with entirely different gear, risks, and appeal. Base jumping is NOT a low pull contest and some base rigs even have reserves. Yes or No, answer this question. Do you think it is appropriate to teach every new skydiver the somewhat complex art of flying a canopy? Course is less than a day and involves 1 jump and a test. I had to shrink my nuts in the pool in Feb swimming under a chutre. Why the hell do I HAVE to waste my time? I know the risks of landing in water. I doubt I will ever land in water at Perris but the training sure won't HURT. It wasnt even really training, just demonstrating I can swim. Why not have a day in the classroom too. What I am proposing has NO effect on currernt jumpers. And if you really don't believe that a mandatory canopy course will prevent some, not all of the errors that lead to these copycat incidents, then I have nothing further to say to you. Mike Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #28 September 4, 2004 a canopy course required anywhere will do nothing to prevent 'copy cat' incidents. You need to look up the definiton of prevention.. but you didnt get a canopy control course thoughout AFF??? principles of canopy flight, control and landing were not taught??? you'd better get your money back... I wonder how you've made it down safely for 800 jumps?? you must be really lucky... the only thing that will prevent jumpers from making errors are the jumpers themselves, if they cant be bothered to learn about their canopy without being forced to then they dont need to be jumping...... care to guess how many people have and do manage to learn and fly their canopies without someone forcing them to? Look around next time your in the plane...Care to guess how many people STILL wont know how to fly their canopies even with a few new certificate on the wall?? ps. did you find a tandem malfunction decision tree yet to see how silly your scenerio really is?____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Duckwater 0 #29 September 5, 2004 Quotebut you didnt get a canopy control course thoughout AFF??? principles of canopy flight, control and landing were not taught??? Yes, the BASIC principles were. Nothing about the risers, harness turns, flat turns. 10 jumps after I took the course, 100 jumps, I had a brake line lock up in half brake. My training took over, I tested the rear riser flare high...Then I landed on rear risers, softly. I didn't get that solution to a problem from Dear Abby. Quoteyou'd better get your money back... I wonder how you've made it down safely for 800 jumps?? you must be really lucky... I am lucky that I was at the best DZ in the world and the instructor made it a point to come to me as a new jumper and tell me how much I needed the class. Lucky as hell. Go take a course and then tell me how valuable it is or is not. I am a good canopy pilot...I really am....Only because I was TAUGHT to be. Im telling you, after the course and a few jumps you will say "Holy Shit!" Have you taken a course? Im curious. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #30 September 5, 2004 oh wow! you mean you can actually seek additional training on your own!!!??? what a novel idea, i wonder why more independent thinkers dont try that??? oh yea.. someone needs to force them to learn, just what we need, more skydiving sheep... Clay will be happy at least.. if you werent being taught about risers and flat turns and general canopy control methods all through out AFF and while still on student status...... i guess you aren’t really at the BEST dropzone in the world... but seriously, brake line malfunctions and how to deal with them (including flaring with your rear risers if required) were not taught to you till you took a canopy control course... at Perris?? i have a hard time believing that.... a formal course? nope, not yet. But I've got lots and lots of 'informal' training in coach jumps and advice, both when i sought it out and when someone offered it freely...all knowledge is valuable, but the more mandatory you make any type of training, the less anyone really learn in the long run, much like that worthless water training course you described.... if you lack the drive to educate yourself your not likely to be paying much real attention to 'check the box' class you have to take.....____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
