LouDiamond 1 #1 September 21, 2004 Now is it just me or does this sound like a skydiver found him/her self a way to have someone pay for their jumps by calling it "research"? Damn, wish I would of thought of that"It's just skydiving..additional drama is not required" Some people dream about flying, I live my dream SKYMONKEY PUBLISHING Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #2 September 21, 2004 Who else thought that this was going to be about landing a flying squirrel suit?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jlmiracle 7 #3 September 21, 2004 Objectives: To determine whether parachutes are effective in preventing major trauma related to gravitational challenge. I would have to say YES, they are effective. I thought people that were gravitationally challenged were what we refer to as FAB's. This is bizarre. JudyBe kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rebecca 0 #4 September 21, 2004 QuoteThe parachute is used in recreational, voluntary sector, and military settings to reduce the risk of orthopaedic, head, and soft tissue injury after gravitational challenge, typically in the context of jumping from an aircraft. The perception that parachutes are a successful intervention is based largely on anecdotal evidence. Observational data have shown that their use is associated with morbidity and mortality, due to both failure of the intervention1 2 and iatrogenic complications.3 In addition, "natural history" studies of free fall indicate that failure to take or deploy a parachute does not inevitably result in an adverse outcome.4 We therefore undertook a systematic review of randomised controlled trials of parachutes Huh? Um, I'm still here, and I'm pretty sure I would have had an "adverse outcome" if I'd forgotten my rig on a jump... Psh. lucky bastards getting free jumps in the name of research... So, did they do a 'control' and just not pull?? you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel loquacious?' -- well do you, punk? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #5 September 21, 2004 I think the point of that site is sarcasm to show that valid conclusions about things can be drawn from a series of anecdotal or observational evidence even when specific scientific processes aren't followed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rebecca 0 #6 September 21, 2004 OHhhhhh!! I get it! Tee hee! Anyone notice the professor's occupation? you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel loquacious?' -- well do you, punk? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #7 September 21, 2004 Dayum.. there is a WHOLE lot of 20 dollar words in that paper that I have not been forced to use since college. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiver30960 0 #8 September 21, 2004 What I liked was mention of a double-blind trial with placebos. Like they were handing out parachutes that were NOT going to work. Elvisio "sugar pill" Rodriguez Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
indyz 1 #9 September 21, 2004 QuoteI would have to say YES, they are effective. But unless you do a proper experiment with a control group -- which would be people with placebo rigs -- you can't state scientifically that they are effective. Anyway, it's a joke and a jab at a certain group of researchers. Check out the last sentence in the "conclusions" section. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,175 #10 September 21, 2004 QuoteI think the point of that site is sarcasm to show that valid conclusions about things can be drawn from a series of anecdotal or observational evidence even when specific scientific processes aren't followed. There are specific statistical methods available for such situations. Simply relying on incomplete anecdotal information IS unreliable, but a randomized double blind test is not necessary to draw valid conclusions. However, the fiasco concerning hormone replacement therapy should be a warning about using expert opinion and anecdotal evidence.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deuce 1 #11 September 21, 2004 Let me get this straight: When people take poison, only the right anecdote will make them well, right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #12 September 21, 2004 I think that's right. Here, you take this poison, I'll take this placebo, and then we'll both take anecdotes. Everything should be just fine Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LouDiamond 1 #13 September 21, 2004 QuoteLet me get this straight: When people take poison, only the right anecdote will make them well, right? Typically, but then again if one intentionally takes poison why would one want to take the antidote?"It's just skydiving..additional drama is not required" Some people dream about flying, I live my dream SKYMONKEY PUBLISHING Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
