Do you think an AFF grad should know this?

[JRock 0]

Like how to turn on their CYPRES?
This absolutely made me cringe.
An individual about to jump,( 5 jumps off of student status) asked me to show them how to turn on the CYPRES.
Does this bother anyone else?

[Vallerina 2]

Not really. Maybe it's been awhile since they jumped, and they forgot. Maybe they just wanted to make sure. This is why it doesn't bother me:

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asked me to show them how to turn on the CYPRES

They want to learn how to do it. I see nothing wrong with that.

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[jlmiracle 7]

Yes, and no cause it depends. There is a very good possiblity that the all the jumps they did the rig had already been jumped and the cypres turned on.

I was trained with an FXC, so when I got off AFF I didn't know how to turn a cypres on, and didn't purchase one until 500 jumps later, at which point I had to learn how to turn a cypres on.


Judy

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[unformed 0]

I was that individual (not the one that asked you) but one like him. It's not that I wasn't taught it, but I'd keep forgetting. As I was jumping once every few weeks, I'd never quite remember exactly what to do. I don't really see it as that much of a problem, as long as he knows to turn it on every time. He'll eventually remember it.

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[peregrinerose 0]

What would bother me is if they didn't bother to ask and just shrugged it off and jumped. With several instructors working with each student, some things may get missed or others covered twice. As students, we have to be quick to ask questions of anything we don't understand and be comfortable enough at our drop zones to be free to do this without feeling stupid.

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[kai2k1 0]

At least they asked for help.

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[JRock 0]

I disagree. If you are going to turned loose to jump on your own... you should have the knowledge of doing a gear check. I had this fully explained to me before graduating. Gear check which includes the cypres should not be taken lightly. IT CAN SAVE A LIFE!

[flyangel2 2]

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Maybe it's been awhile since they jumped, and they forgot

If it's been that long that they have forgot how to turn on the cypress, then maybe they needed a re-fresh jump.

Learning how to turn on a cypress is taught very early on, and the student should be doing it before every one of their AFF jumps.

Now, if the student had asked, "Hey, watch me turn on this cypress to make sure I'm doing it right." That would have told me that the student has remembered how to do it, but just wants some back up to make sure it's done right.

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[JRock 0]

AMEN!!!

[Vallerina 2]

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Learning how to turn on a cypress is taught very early on, and the student should be doing it before every one of their AFF jumps.

Not if it's a student rig which has been used, and for a few of their student jumps, they just checked to make sure it was on.

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If it's been that long that they have forgot how to turn on the cypress, then maybe they needed a re-fresh jump.

I don't think it's all that tragic. Maybe they just wanted to double check. Maybe they did the same thing for the emergency procedures. There's a lot to learn in just 7 jumps. You can't expect everyone to remember everything.

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[jlmiracle 7]

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I disagree. If you are going to turned loose to jump on your own... you should have the knowledge of doing a gear check. I had this fully explained to me before graduating. Gear check which includes the cypres should not be taken lightly. IT CAN SAVE A LIFE!

I knew what a cypres looked like on and off. When I do a gear check, I tell them if the Cypres is on or off. Back 9 years ago when I was trained not too many people had a cypres. Like I said before, the only AAD that I had experience with was an FXC, which I knew how to turn on and off.

Cypres can save your life and it could kill you too. I jump with a cypres now, but my first 500+ jumps were without a cypres.

At least the person asked and I hope like hell you didn't make them feel stupid.

Are you aware that there could be jumpers out there with thousands of jumps that may not know how to turn a cypres on?
Judy

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[flyangel2 2]

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Not if it's a student rig which has been used, and for a few of their student jumps, they just checked to make sure it was on.

A good JM will turn off the cypress and then let the student turn it back on. Just part of the "learning how your gear" works thing that all JMs teach.

Sorry, not buying it.

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Maybe they did the same thing for the emergency procedures.

Emergency procedures are gone over before every AFF jump. A good safety gear check should also be part of that pre-jump refresher before an AFF student goes up.

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[jtval 0]

i didnt learn how to turn one on until my about my 30th jump; when I got my own gear.

they showed me how to turn on an ( ffx edit: )FXC during Aff but I didnt see a cypres unti l bought my own.

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[Vallerina 2]

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Sorry, not buying it.

Wow. For my 20 some static line jumps, it wasn't done every time. I checked to make sure it was on every time, but it was not turned off and on for every student's static line jumps.

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A good safety gear check should also be part of that pre-jump refresher before an AFF student goes up.

Yes, and they may have checked to make sure it was on.

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[jlmiracle 7]

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A good JM will turn off the cypress and then let the student turn it back on. Just part of the "learning how your gear" works thing that all JMs teach.

Quite a bold statement. I guess every dz in America and abroad has bad JM's. I don't shut off the cypres on every jump. In fact, I've never heard of such a thing for any AFF I, or I/E. Turning it off and on 5-10 times a day just doesn't seem like a good idea.



Judy

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[flyangel2 2]

I would turn it off and then watch the student turn it back on. I also let the student do a gear check, and tell me what they were looking at and what they were looking for. Turning off a cypress doesn't take that much time. Then I knew my student knew what was going on.

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[flyangel2 2]

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I guess every dz in America and abroad has bad JM's

I never said that. It's just what I do/did when working with students. This way I knew they knew what was going on.

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[AggieDave 6]

That's not what I got from Mary's post at all.

What I got, is that to teach a student that hasn't seen it, an instructor might do it once to demonstrate.

Atleast I know that at my DZ after we demonstrate how to operate the Cypress we loan them a Cypress manual to read up in more detail. Its cool when you ask a student why the arrow should be pointing down and they respond correctly, explaining what having it pointing up means and what it could do, etc.

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[jlmiracle 7]

You said:

"A good JM will turn off the cypres and then let the student turn it back on."

So I took that as if I don't turn off the cypres for each different student that uses that rig, I'm a bad (not good) JM.

Judy

Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

[sunshine 2]

Ok, so who cares? Not everyone is gonna know everything. But hey, if it makes you feel better to point out that someone else didn't know something, then you go on with that.

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[Icon134 0]

I learned how to do it during AFF... but mostly because I would start the day jumping on a new rig and so the JM showed me how to do it...

I say good on the student for asking how do do it... (at least he/she didn't just put it on his back and jump it...)

I will probably still get a second pair of eyes to look me over even after I've jumped for a while... The last time I went skydiving... my coach put on his rig w/a misrouted chest strap. It was caught before we got on the plane because another jumper checked his gear...

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[lawrocket 3]

Hmmm. Been a long time and I think I can remember how to turn on a CYPRES. But, you can bet I'll be confirming this with others.

I should also know how to do a gear check. But, I'll still ask someone to check to make sure I've geared up properly.

Also, I should have known the exit order. I'll still ask what the order is prior to boarding, and probably while on ride to altitude.

I guess with life saving equipment, any portion of doubt that I have will be reflected in my asking questions. Personally, I credit this jumper for having balls enough to ask the stupid question, especially with a life-saving piece of equipment.

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[AggieDave 6]

That's sort of like when I was reading one of the tandem rigs for the first tandem of the morning a while back. The cypres had an error and shut off. So I set the rig down, pulled out the drogue (the obvious "don't jump me" sign) and rounded up the AFF students I could find hanging about.

I turned it back on so they could all see what happens when the cypres has this type of error. One of them got the manual from the student documents and we all looked up the error together. They all learned something important that day, besides the fact that you should watch the cypres do its entire countdown sequence to make sure nothing is wrong.

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[JRock 0]

People... trying to make a point here about safety, not if someone knew something or not.

I am not making fun of the person for not knowing.
I am concerned that after "passing AFF" they didn't know how to do this or a proper gear check.

[flyangel2 2]

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You said:

"A good JM will turn off the cypres and then let the student turn it back on."

So I took that as if I don't turn off the cypres for each different student that uses that rig, I'm a bad (not good) JM.

Judy

Yes, I did say a good, but I never said that if it isn't done, that makes a JM bad. If that is how you perceived it, then there is nothing I can write to change your mind.

Sunny, I don't think this post was brought up to belittle the student.

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