Eminem

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LOL... Looks like you pulled a bunch of lines from different songs and threw them together out of context. He has a certain style of story-telling through his lyrics where he plays the main character, but they're not always about him... Although a lot of them do have to do with his own life, but he's usually pointing out the bad stuff (again, in his own style)...

Don't worry, Tuna... it's just an art form, and most art doesn't appeal to everyone...

You obviously don't "get" or don't relate to Eminem's music... but hey, no one's gonna force you to listen to it.

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You obviously don't "get" or don't relate to Eminem's music...

You're right. I don't "get" or "relate" to drugging and raping 15 year old girls at parties.

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Looks like you pulled a bunch of lines from different songs and threw them together out of context.

Ah, the ole "context" drutch everyone uses when presented facts. This is just like the bible thread. I quoted the bible showing how it contradicted itself in many different parts and the only argument the religeous sheep could muster up was, "YOU'RE TAKING IT OUT OF CONTEXT!!!!!"

Nothing is taken out of context. Those are his lyrics. Those are his words. Those are the songs he sings. Those are the songs he is selling to your children.


Eminem is to music what shock jocks are to radio. They try to be as loud, obscene, shocking and controversial as possible. Why? Because that is what sells to the mindless, clueless, ignorant people in America. The funny thing is those types rarely last long. Howard Stern would be one of the exceptions.

Forty-two

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You obviously don't "get" or don't relate to Eminem's music...

You're right. I don't "get" or "relate" to drugging and raping 15 year old girls at parties.

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Looks like you pulled a bunch of lines from different songs and threw them together out of context.

Ah, the ole "context" drutch everyone uses when presented facts. This is just like the bible thread. I quoted the bible showing how it contradicted itself in many different parts and the only argument the religeous sheep could muster up was, "YOU'RE TAKING IT OUT OF CONTEXT!!!!!"

Nothing is taken out of context. Those are his lyrics. Those are his words. Those are the songs he sings. Those are the songs he is selling to your children.


Eminem is to music what shock jocks are to radio. They try to be as loud, obscene, shocking and controversial as possible. Why? Because that is what sells to the mindless, clueless, ignorant people in America. The funny thing is those types rarely last long. Howard Stern would be one of the exceptions.

If your going to preach, take it to the soapbox!!

~chachi

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Nothing is taken out of context. Those are his lyrics. Those are his words. Those are the songs he sings. Those are the songs he is selling to your children.

what you seem to be missing is HE(Eminem the actual person) isnt always the one 'speaking' in every song. I.E every song is not about his life, or his personal views.

All songs have a character. Sometimes that character IS the artist, but quite often it is the artist assuming a voice, a character to express a particular view (and create a reaction to it, but not necessarily one of agreement with) or make a statement.

Music is performance, because a performer adopts a particular 'voice' does not mean that performer IS the voice.

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Marshal Mathers? Yeah, I think he "inhales with gusto." He's another overhyped "talent."

Do I necessarily have a problem with his lyrics? No. I don't have a problem with truly talented rappers, the likes of Ice-T (fucking brilliant), NWA (all of them), Snoop Dogg, Chuck D (no more powerful voice in music than his), or any of a number of rappers with messages a little bit deeper than a fucking birdbath.

Hey, tuna? What say you and I write a few songs for Marshall Mathers? To show our "street cred" we won't use drums, but we'll record bullets to provide the beat! Yeah, then we KNOW we'll have credibility, as will Marshall Mathers. Well, at least as much credibility as those white guys who try to sound Jamaican.

Actually, I'll start a "mix n'match" lyrics for a Mathers song. All you do is pick one line from each of four. You'll actually have the makings of 256 verses using my system, and you can say all Mathers raps about:

edited to add: Note, I will also endeavor to create any of a number of "characters" for Mr. Mathers to rap as - something new, like, "Bitch hatin', gun-totin' white guy rapper who got his ass kicked regularly as a kid - a "character" he might not have played yet."

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My name is Slim Shady, bitch
My name is Marshall Mathers, ho
My name is Eminem, skank
My name won't be the same next week, beyocth

I'll tell you how I cut bitches' throats
I'll tell you how I rape 15 year old bitches
I'll tell you how I beat the shit outta bitches I marry, bitch
Bitches are bitches and bitches should be bitches, bitches

I'll pop a cap in your ass with my Mac-10, motherfucker
I'll drop a shank in yo' heart, because I'm (slim shady/eminen/marshal mathers)
You'll suck on my 12 gauge and swallow the lead, bitch whore
Some white bitch ho slut skank said I was missojen-misogyn-misogen-chauven, that I hate bitches, but I don't
I'll call you a faggot, but I'm no homopho-homofo-, I don't had faggots so don't protest me, faggot, or I'll kill you like I killed them cops.


I was born in the hood, yo.
I won a rap competition in LA
I stole sequences from "Breakin' 2: Electric Boogaloo" in my movie, bitch slut whore muthafucker
Don't go dissin my actin if all I play is myself, faggot, or I'll kill you like I killed them cops.


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So, here's my random verse from a Slim Shady song..

"My name is Eminem, skank
I'll tell you how I beat the shit outta bitches I marry, bitch
Some white bitch ho slut skank said I was missojen-misogyn-misogen-chauven, that I hate bitches, but I don't
Don't go dissin my actin if all I play is myself, faggot.

There you have it. A verse from an Eminem song. Hey, maybe I can get a video music award, though my ass is a little too fat, so I'd have to play the "doorman/bouncer" instead of a real thug.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

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Ah, the ole "context" drutch everyone uses when presented facts. This is just like the bible thread. I quoted the bible showing how it contradicted itself in many different parts and the only argument the religeous sheep could muster up was, "YOU'RE TAKING IT OUT OF CONTEXT!!!!!"

Yeah...context is really overrated when discussing "facts." I guess I'm who you're referring to. Although, I assure you, I'm not very sheepish.

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ROFLMAO. Man, keep it up and you'll be labeled "talented" too!

Forty-two

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if you think you are any where close to as quick of an artist as Eminem is your sadly mistaking, not only that, the funniest thing is he says all this shit, tells everyone he is full of shit and saying it to piss you off and get you going and you all let him. To funny, listen to White America from the Eminem show and tell me he didn't sdupe you too.

~Chachi

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the religeous sheep

Hmm, yes... I am quite the little religious sheep.

Shall I start quoting the bible now, so that we can get this thread moved to Speaker's Corner?

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To funny, listen to White America from the Eminem show and tell me he didn't sdupe you too.

White America?...
I personally am just an American.

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I couldn't help but notice 'Kill him' was missing out of the poll options.

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I'm fucking winning

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...just stop writing songs about how great they think they are.

agreed. i had this conversation just the other day with a friend who's been broadening my musical horizons .

in SO MANY hip-hop and rap songs the artists (not gonna touch -that- argument!) talk about "theyselves" and how great they is and gotta say their own names...

waaaay back before howard stern got really big he had a habit that always annoyed me. every time he'd say something he thought funny or profound, which was pretty much everything out of his mouth, he'd play this sound clip of clapping and applause - like that was 'sposed to clue us that his highness said something important? he doesn't do it much anymore..

another example - rush limbaugh... his ?slogan?motto? was always "talent on loan from G-d"... gimme a f*ckin' break...

all you performers - don't tell us how great you are, show us!! give us good music, movies, books, discussion, whatever... if it's good, we'll know it..

just my thoughts... your mileage may vary

michael

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if you think you are any where close to as quick of an artist as Eminem is your sadly mistaking, not only that, the funniest thing is he says all this shit, tells everyone he is full of shit and saying it to piss you off and get you going and you all let him. To funny, listen to White America from the Eminem show and tell me he didn't sdupe you too.

~Chachi

Dude, you're acting like this guy is the rap equivalent of Penn & Teller, a couple fo guys who say, "We're just con men," explain how they do a trick, and then do it so fast, clean and well that the audience is still amazed.

Or, maybe you think him an Andrew Dice Clay type, who in all of his interviews demonstrated he was a failry articulate guy who was playing a "bit" and making money off of it.

Meanwhile, that Eminem guy will get pinched for assault. Since he's performing as a "character" he apparently wanted to play himself with "Kim" (ironically, the name of his estranged wife) wherein he states, "Now bleed! Bitch bleed! Bleed! Bitch bleed! Bleed"

Lest we wonder whether his songs are "real" we need only look to "Sing for the Moment" wherein he espoused, "You're full of shit too, Guerrera, that was a fist that hit you." Of course, this was not real, was it? He couldn't be rapping about John Guerrera, the bouncer whom he pulled a gun on (for having engaged in a kiss with his wife "Kim") and then decked (Guerrera said he was pistol whipped).

I guess Eminem says he's full of shit, that "Events depicted in these songs do not reflect real events. Any resemblnce to actual events or persons in these songs is purely coincidental"

Give me a fucking break, dude.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

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Wanna see me stick Nine Inch Nails through each one of my eyelids? (Uh-huh!)
Wanna copy me and do exactly like I did? (Yeah yeah!)
Try 'cid and get fucked up worse that my life is? (Huh?)

Yeah...fucking mind-blowing. Can we get this man a pulitzer award? You're right. What was I thinking? He is talented

Dude, take the sedative of your choice then go to
www.merriamwebster.com. Next enter the words "Comedy" and "Satire" and carefully read the defintiions.

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I agree...you gotta give him credit...besides, for an old fart, I really do like his stuff....

sure wish I had his money though....let's see now, how many jumps would that be...Hmmmmmm (figuring, figuring)....I give up....can't count that high.....gotta be at least a D license, eh?

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I'd hate to break it to you but he already is considered
one of the most talented writers in the industry.
statistically speaking, that's more fact than opinion.
That was real cute how you tried to throw those 1-liners
in there to make him sound like a violence induced
masochist. I highly doubt that if those 1-liners
were the theoretical foundations of his music that he
would have much of a fan base considering things like
drugging and raping 15 year olds are frowned upon to
the masses. It sounds to me like you don't really care
all that much about his music. I'm guessing that you
fall into the category of people that just don't like him
because you percieve him to be a "white person trying
to be black," and thats more of a personal problem
that you need to deal with rather than his.

"'Someday is not a day in my week'"

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I'd hate to break it to you but he already is considered
one of the most talented writers in the industry.
statistically speaking, that's more fact than opinion.
That was real cute how you tried to throw those 1-liners
in there to make him sound like a violence induced
masochist. I highly doubt that if those 1-liners
were the theoretical foundations of his music that he
would have much of a fan base considering things like
drugging and raping 15 year olds are frowned upon to
the masses. It sounds to me like you don't really care
all that much about his music. I'm guessing that you
fall into the category of people that just don't like him
because you percieve him to be a "white person trying
to be black," and thats more of a personal problem
that you need to deal with rather than his.

Agreed. Like I said before. One of the most talented writers in the rap industry right now.

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Talented, huh? Guess people throw that word around pretty loose nowadays. Let's take a look at his talented lyrics.

I dunno if you've ever seen him free style but it takes pure talent to be able to do what he does on the fly.

So if you think he's terrible I'll respect your opinion. To each his own. If everyone liked him he wouldn't be as popular as he is.

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He is one of the most untalented, ignorant, worthless "artists" to have ever put out a cd.

You can rank his talents up there with the likes of Gwar.

Gwar is fucking awesome, but Marshal Mathers is a shitbird.

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He is one of the most untalented, ignorant, worthless "artists" to have ever put out a cd.

You can rank his talents up there with the likes of Gwar.

Gwar is fucking awesome, but Marshal Mathers is a shitbird.

Hell fuckin YA!! The monkey has spoke! GWAR Fucking PWNS!!

"Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them."

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if you think you are any where close to as quick of an artist as Eminem is your sadly mistaking, not only that, the funniest thing is he says all this shit, tells everyone he is full of shit and saying it to piss you off and get you going and you all let him. To funny, listen to White America from the Eminem show and tell me he didn't sdupe you too.

~Chachi

Dude, you're acting like this guy is the rap equivalent of Penn & Teller, a couple fo guys who say, "We're just con men," explain how they do a trick, and then do it so fast, clean and well that the audience is still amazed.

Or, maybe you think him an Andrew Dice Clay type, who in all of his interviews demonstrated he was a failry articulate guy who was playing a "bit" and making money off of it.

Meanwhile, that Eminem guy will get pinched for assault. Since he's performing as a "character" he apparently wanted to play himself with "Kim" (ironically, the name of his estranged wife) wherein he states, "Now bleed! Bitch bleed! Bleed! Bitch bleed! Bleed"

Lest we wonder whether his songs are "real" we need only look to "Sing for the Moment" wherein he espoused, "You're full of shit too, Guerrera, that was a fist that hit you." Of course, this was not real, was it? He couldn't be rapping about John Guerrera, the bouncer whom he pulled a gun on (for having engaged in a kiss with his wife "Kim") and then decked (Guerrera said he was pistol whipped).

I guess Eminem says he's full of shit, that "Events depicted in these songs do not reflect real events. Any resemblnce to actual events or persons in these songs is purely coincidental"

Give me a fucking break, dude.

Dude, listen to more than one song and see how many times he laughs at the world for believing his bullshit. It's hilarious. Yes your right, he writes sometimes about his life, where he is from, and the reality of the world he lives in. He also writes stuff about his mom and how angry he was at a point in his life. Many manay many song writers have talked about diffcult times in their lives with some angry words. Avril Lavigne? Holy shit if you thought Eminem was bad listen to this little sweetie talk about her childhood. Is she the anti christ?

Marshall Mathers plays the world and laughs to the bank. Pure genius.

~Chachi

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he already is considered
one of the most talented writers in the industry.
statistically speaking, that's more fact than opinion.

Statistically speaking, Britney Spears is considered one of the most talented singers in the industry. Look at al the albums and hype surrounding her. She MUST be good.

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I highly doubt that if those 1-liners
were the theoretical foundations of his music that he
would have much of a fan base considering things like drugging and raping 15 year olds are frowned upon to the masses.

Are they? Hmmm. Seems to me "Date Rape" was the song that got Sublime noticed. What about Gangsta Rap? It has a substantial fan base predicated on killing, drugs, and misogyny.

Even Ice-T, one of my personal favorites, rapped about these things. (On "Body Count," possibly my favorite metal album of all time, he sang).

Seems to me the 2 Live Crew became famous for its album "As Nasty as they Wanna Be," in 1989. "As Clean as they Wanna Be" was the same album, different title, and was outsold by "Nasty" by a longshot.

Or the Geto Boys. "Trigga Happy Nigga" and other songs which were quite funny, at times (i.e., "Let a Ho be a Ho.")

Trust me, my opinion is not based on a "white guy trying to be black." I personally despise any thoughts or notions of what it means t "be white" or "act black." Such things as calling Marshal Mathers a "wigga" or Colin Powell an Oreo.

No, it's simply my belief that the genius behind him is Dr. Dre, for bringing management and press to Marshal that made him bigger than I think he should be.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

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To each his own.

Correct. Some people enjoy listening to gifted musicians jamming as a talented vocalist sings with them in perfect harmony...others prefer listening to lame, punk kids hollering about drugging and raping 15 year old girls and killing pregnant women.

Forty-two

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No matter which way ya'll twist his lyrics around (in or out of context), its obvious he's a POS role model. Having said that, I'm guilty of jamming a couple of his tunes, I think he's quite talented. But I won't buy his CDs, most of the messages are rather appalling.

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Statistically speaking, Britney Spears is considered one of the most talented singers in the industry. Look at al the albums and hype surrounding her. She MUST be good.

Ummmmm..... YEAH!

Statistically, which is much more
concrete than an opinionated hypothesize.

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Are they? Hmmm. Seems to me "Date Rape" was the song that got Sublime noticed. What about Gangsta Rap? It has a substantial fan base predicated on killing, drugs, and misogyny.

So your saying american people agree and embrace
"date rape, killing, drugs, etc..."? It was my understanding
that as sublime put it, if you did 'date rape' a girl
you'd be in prison "taking it inthe behind."

Your musical selections are at best quaint and are made
to be judged by the wondering eye to "hype" up the
group over whatever kind of attention is attracted. But
get past all the marketing and advertising and listen to
the songs, you can sort of actually feel what the artist
is depicting in your own way. It's like that with ALL music. I think so anyway...

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No, it's simply my belief that the genius behind him is Dr. Dre, for bringing management and press to Marshal that made him bigger than I think he should be.

Dr. Dre did not write Eminem's lyrics. He was just doing
his job as eminems management, nothing more. Of course
His name accredited marshalls fame to a further extent.
Eminem has also gone head to head with some of the top
names in the hip-hop and rap industry, even whole
recording industries that have been in the busniess for
years and just shot past them while making them look
like idiots in the process. what I find amazing is how
he did it with ease... He even brags about how easy it
was. I find it prodigal....... It's like he wasn't even trying.
I can't hate him for that...

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sorry. what I meant to say was he makes it look like
what he does is easy. and he doesn't brag how easy
it was... he cracks jokes and laughs at it, more of a victory/successful revenge laugh vs. the people that
laughed at him. But he does make it look easy.

"'Someday is not a day in my week'"

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