Selling to people in other countries

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Hey all,

I'm selling a professional level clarinet so I can do some traveling this winter and after just one day, I've received an offer from a gentleman in the UK. I've never sold anything overseas before, so I'm not sure if how he wants to do payment is actually how it is done?

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Hi,
Thanks for the response.
I have about five of my customer who are interested making immediate payments.
Two of them has responded very positively after sending and I will be given them my own price for selling it to them.
I will add my own profit,commision and shipment to your own asking price and they are ready to send payment immediately.
Any amount that is above your asking price will be mine.
You will send it to me through Money Gram or Western Union Money Transfer.
Provide the details below with which the payment will be sent to ...
NAME
ADDRESS
CITY
POST CODE
STATE
COUNTRY
PHONE
As soon as i recieve this details i will ensure that you recieve payment atleast in 10 working days. Shipment will also be taken care of by me when payment is done.
As soon as the payment clears your bank, I will organise for the pick up.
I want you to know that any profit i make from this transaction is how i use to earn a leaving.
I hope to hear from you soonest,
Regards to your family


Jennifer DeCesari wrote:
Hi nicholas,

I posted a web address with the description for pictures:

www.efnet-advice.net/clarinet/clarinet.html

I am the original owner and it has been in a climate controlled environment
for 6 years. The condition is near mint. The only issue I had was the cork
on the upper tendon needs to be shaved down a bit as it tends to stick.

I have the price set at $1500 and it comes with everything I listed; the gig
bag, 2 pro ligatures, the Gigliotti "P" mouthpiece, collapsable stand,
bunches of reeds, reed case, cigarette papers, sandpaper and 3 study
booklets and a copy of the weber grand duo concertant.

Its a really great instrument - plays beautifully.

Let me know if you are still interested,

Jennifer







>From: nicholas welsh
>To: xxx@email.com
>Subject: willing to buy your Buffet R-13 in MINT $1500
>Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 23:19:56 +0000 (GMT)
>
>Hi,
>
>I hereby wish to inform you that i am interested to purchase from you .
>
>What is your best offer ?
>
>Are you the real owner ?
>
>What is the condition ?
>
>Can i see the pics if is available ?
>
>Payment will be by bankers draft or cheque ,and when it clears your
>bank. I will take care of the pick up.
>
>If its still available for sale, provide the details below with which
>the payment will be sent to ...
>
>NAME
>ADDRESS
>CITY
>POST CODE
>STATE
>COUNTRY
>PHONE
>
>I look forward to read from you soonest.
>
>Cheers

Whatcha think?


Jen

Arianna Frances

[AggieDave 6]

Its a scam.


The check will bounce and you'll be footing the bill.


For years folks have been using scams like that on E-bay and the such. Turn his repsonses over to the authorities on E-bay if you were using e-bay, or what ever site you were on.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[mnealtx 0]

Jen,

Does the place you're advertising through have any way to check the person out like ebay does?

Perhaps you could ask for references?

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[Remster 30]

Whenever I see Western Union in a deal, I get very, very, very suspicious......

Remster

[mailin 0]

hmmm...

I'm using a private woodwind list to list this.

I want to send him another email specifying payment changes - what should I ask for? A bank check? He did mention in the first email that he will arrange pick up after payment is made....

This is confusing! The sale is a great deal, as I paid close to $2k for it - and am anxious to sell it.


Jen

Arianna Frances

[SBS 0]

If he sends Western Union, and she has cash in her hand before releasing the instrument, I don't understand what could go wrong. It's not like they can take the cash back.

If it were me, and I didn't have any quick and dirty offers here in the states immediately available, I would proceed with caution.

Just my opinion.

Steve

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I'm not conceited...I'm just realistic about my awesomeness...

[AggieDave 6]

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If it were me, and I didn't have any quick and dirty offers here in the states immediately available, I would proceed with caution.

That's the trick. You take it and cash it, get cash in hand before mailing the instrument away.


Its just that so many people have used setups like this as a scam, everytime I see it I believe its a scam.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[mailin 0]

I agree that caution should be exercised.

Whats the best form of payment for me to accept? Western Union doesn't seem to be the one of choice for folks here....


Jen

Arianna Frances

[AggieDave 6]

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Whats the best form of payment for me to accept?

Sex.


Oh, ok, you wnat money...a money order works well, they too can be forged, though. A cashier's check from a bank works well, but they can be forged...

If in country, I'd like to see a cashier's check from a nationwide bank, take to that bank and let them cash it BEFORE I mail the goods. I figure that's a resonable fail safe.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[SBS 0]

Like you said, the trick is getting cash in hand. More importantly, if this is a set up, the story will begin to change...do not allow the process to change. Do not accept things such as, "oh, well, it's going to take an extra day, would you mind sending it now, because I really need it."

CASH in hand. Not a check, not a bank check (they can still be cancelled). CASH in hand.

What about an international brokerage? There has to be a company out there that deals in this sort of thing, playing the intermediary for a fee.

-S

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I'm not conceited...I'm just realistic about my awesomeness...

[mailin 0]

sound resonable....

Do they have national banks in the UK?

Anyone know the name of a reputable bank in the UK that I should ask for payment from?


Jen

Arianna Frances

[Remster 30]

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sound resonable....

Do they have national banks in the UK?

Anyone know the name of a reputable bank in the UK that I should ask for payment from?


Jen

Get a cashiers check made on a US bank (most UK bank will have a US branch for international issues) in US dollar. Get that cashed at a US bank. There may be a fee for that (check with your bank if they will accept that; it works in canada, but here we have only a handfull of very large bank, as opposed to the US where there are a lot of small ones). Do not send anything untill you have the money in hand

Remster

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Thanks for the advice


Jen

Arianna Frances

[SBS 0]

There are banks that are international, and there are banks that are local. Like here, we have BofA and Wells Fargo, etc., and we also have small town ones with just a couple of branches. I'm sure there's a brit or two on this site that could recommend a reputible bank. Regardless of which bank it is, though, I would take it and cash it before releasing anything. Did I mention CASH? Have I said the word CASH enough? Am I being repetative by saying the word CASH so much???

I thought of a bank transfer, but he could argue it after the fact and get the money pulled, etc., and just make your life miserable.

-S

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I'm not conceited...I'm just realistic about my awesomeness...

[mnealtx 0]

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I agree that caution should be exercised.

Whats the best form of payment for me to accept? Western Union doesn't seem to be the one of choice for folks here....


Jen

Whatever payment instrument he uses, make sure that it is verified that the funds are available before you do anything.

There have been several people burned by forged money orders and cashier's checks.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[mailin 0]

hehe - ya, the cash part is kinda important.

I'm really looking forward to the money.

Florida in January sounds just wonderful



Jen

Arianna Frances

[GravityGirl 0]

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I agree that caution should be exercised.

Whats the best form of payment for me to accept? Western Union doesn't seem to be the one of choice for folks here....


Jen

I use Wire Transfers for all International sales. It only takes a day. They have to use cash to send it or their own bank account.

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[indyz 1]

Nobody has posted a link to information about this well-known scam yet, so here and here. The check is a forgery. You cash the check at your bank, then do the wire transfer on the difference. A few days later the bank discovers the bogus check, reverses the transaction, and you are suddenly out of the money that you wired and possibly the clarinet.

I'll bet you a jump ticket that if you make waiting for the check to clear your bank a condition of the sale, he backs out.

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As has been discussed in this thread....

Nothing leaves until I have 'cash' in hand...

I'll only be accepting a bank check drawn on a US bank in US funds.

Trust me, I'm not a fool. I know very well that this can/could be a scam, and will take every precaution necessary.

Jen

Arianna Frances

[freeflynick 0]

I use PayPal for all my online dealings, it is quick and reliable, I can't see how you would get any problems using it........
........but I am pretty slow and special sometimes, so you may want to ask someone else.......

Cheers,

Nick

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Calvin: "Too few role models."