AggieDave 6 #1 December 2, 2004 My monitor has started going into the first stages of monitor death. I'm so glad that it decided to do this right before christmas, right before I'm spending quite a bit of money on gifts and right before I travel to florida for skydiving. I just had to rant. I would like to replace it with a flat screen, but 21" flat screens are still really expensive.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TequilaGirl 0 #2 December 2, 2004 Complain complain complain..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyingferret 0 #3 December 2, 2004 You dont want an LCD, you just think you do. Get a minimal footprint CRT.-- All the flaming and trolls of wreck dot with a pretty GUI. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #4 December 2, 2004 Linkage bro, linkage. especially since the 21" CRT I have now is roughly 2 1/2 ft deep. It takes a large chunk of my desk that could otherwise be used for more useful things, like all the clutter I have...--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wildblue 7 #5 December 2, 2004 I have a couple 17" sitting around and probably a 19" or two if you want one cheap.it's like incest - you're substituting convenience for quality Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #6 December 2, 2004 I might do that...let me check out prices for a direct replacement of my monitor (21" crt). Thank you!--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyingferret 0 #7 December 2, 2004 21" beige or black regular http://www.mwave.com/mwave/viewspec.hmx?scriteria=1995231 21" Flat .20 !!! Black http://www.mwave.com/mwave/viewspec.hmx?scriteria=3314418 I have a 21", and would hate to go smaller again. I paid $450 4 years ago, and it was a steal. My second link above would be my choice if I had to buy again. LCD just arent there yet, it will ghost for games and DVDs, unless pay at least more than above monitors and lose 4 inches.-- All the flaming and trolls of wreck dot with a pretty GUI. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #8 December 2, 2004 Yeah, same here, about 4 years ago I got this 21" and it was around $400 and I thought it was an absolute steal...Too bad the prices haven't come down too much, the cheapest 21" I've found so far is $218.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyingferret 0 #9 December 2, 2004 Well, the 'steal' has just become more of the average spread. LCDs did not help, that is what is holding the price probably. Everyone wants a 17" LCD. Screw that....watch a DVD or DOOM on a 21" CRT, and then tell me how cool your LCD is. Or try anything other than native resolution, for that matter.-- All the flaming and trolls of wreck dot with a pretty GUI. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyangel2 2 #10 December 2, 2004 Turn the computer off and stop being a PWMay your trails be crooked, winding, lonesome, dangerous, leading to the most amazing view. May your mountains rise into and above the clouds. - Edward Abbey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #11 December 2, 2004 QuoteWell, the 'steal' has just become more of the average spread. LCDs did not help, that is what is holding the price probably. Everyone wants a 17" LCD. Screw that....watch a DVD or DOOM on a 21" CRT, and then tell me how cool your LCD is. Or try anything other than native resolution, for that matter. is this true? because I was considering getting an LCD monitor just because my current CRT monitor is taking up my whole desk. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyingferret 0 #12 December 2, 2004 Well it all depends on what you use it for. LCDs do not 'refresh' in the same manner as CRTs, so they have a delay if you will. IN fast situations they often 'ghost'. Also, LCDs by their very nature have a ntive resolution at which they look best. You push past that and it does the manipulation to make it all work, but it never looks as good. read this as a start: http://graphics.tomshardware.com/display/20041123/index.html-- All the flaming and trolls of wreck dot with a pretty GUI. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingnut 0 #13 December 3, 2004 www.computersurplusoutlet.com/viewproduct.asp?productid=MON-KDS21 try one of these.. this lace and another that i am on thier mailng list frequently have free shipping or low shipping like 4.99 for anything a few times amonth........ so for about 100 bucks you could have another 21" crt...... i ws gona go that rout when my onitor died but it died toatly so i went the lcd route as i wasn't gona wait around with no monitor for the shipping deal... ______________________________________ "i have no reader's digest version" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob.dino 1 #14 December 3, 2004 LCDs are a hell of a lot better than they were 2-3 years ago. If you've not demo'd one in a while, it could well be worth going back and having another look. Ghosting is not so much of a problem anymore. If you're a hardcore FPS kinda person (ghosting), or seriously into graphics (LCD can't do black), then get a CRT. Otherwise, if your budget can stretch, an LCD is a pretty nice alternative. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyingferret 0 #15 December 3, 2004 Actually it all depends on the millisecond rating of the monitor. Anything over 20 is not worth it in my opinion. 16 ms is approx. 60fps. These days 60fps is pretty far from extreme in gaming or video work. I happen to know Aggiedave and he does both. In reality...the LCDs people in this thread are talking about buying come NOWHERE close to that. A good quality LCD with response <25ms is going to run significantly more than $500 http://graphics.tomshardware.com/display/20040326/lcd-08.html My point was that people are not really aware of the differences. If you buy an LCD, you are either: a. buying high end and paying more than for an equivalent CRT. b. buying for space and get less features than an equally priced CRT. Either of those are fine as long as you know you are doing it. I have known many people that didn't. So, the point is...buying an LCD on a budget buys you a square foot of desk not much else.-- All the flaming and trolls of wreck dot with a pretty GUI. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #16 December 3, 2004 >video work Video editing has nothing to do with frame rates. I've been using Premiere for years and have a CRT as the second monitor in my Dual setup. Editing is absolutly clear as can be on either of them.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyingferret 0 #17 December 3, 2004 Well, I never actually said editting. But it does depend on what LCD, and what you do. Response time is not the same as frame rate. I realize that NTSC is 29. something frames. It is simply an easy comparison as most people don't count in milliseconds. What LCD do you have? Just go read up on LCD testing. http://graphics.tomshardware.com/display/20040923/lcd_monitors-10.html Any LCD with a slow response time will ghost in fast movement caused by typically by FPS games or fast action in a video/DVD. There is nothing inherently 'wrong' with LCDs. It just annoys me that all the manufacturers are billing them as 'better' than CRTs, they arent', they simply save space. These http://news.com.com/Slimmer+tube+TVs+to+challenge+flat+panels/2100-1041_3-5458670.html will challenge them in the next year to two anyway.-- All the flaming and trolls of wreck dot with a pretty GUI. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smiles 0 #18 December 3, 2004 --how old is it?? I got 6 yr. warranty on mine (not a LCD)- and now 4 yrs. old. SMiles Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #19 December 3, 2004 This one is about 4 years old.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingnut 0 #20 December 3, 2004 dude, this place is got free shipping until the 6th...... got the same 21 inch monitor for like 100 bucks.... www.isellsurplus.com ______________________________________ "i have no reader's digest version" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shunkka 0 #21 December 5, 2004 i know how u feel in my office all!!! 3 monitors died in the same day!!! i have 2 work now on 14` monitor who say that size dont count? ------------------------- "jump, have fun, pull" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #22 December 5, 2004 QuoteMy monitor has started going into the first stages of monitor death. I'm so glad that it decided to do this right before christmas, right before I'm spending quite a bit of money on gifts and right before I travel to florida for skydiving. I just had to rant. I would like to replace it with a flat screen, but 21" flat screens are still really expensive. Yes, they are... but a 19" LCD isn't QUITE as bad, and is the closest replacement to your 21" CRT (19"LCD~21"CRT)Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
