Been waiting TWO years

[akarunway 1]

For this job. Went into the hiring process yesterday and they hit me w/ a saliva alcohol test and a piss test. Partyed my ass off the night before. Not good. Had an .08 alcohol. Needless to say

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

[mailin 0]

woah, what job was this for?


Jen

Arianna Frances

[akarunway 1]

Building a new large powerplant in So. Cal. Luckily I'm in a union so they just sent me home and said come back next Mon.. Actually, I don't trust their little paper saliva test. I had 12 hrs sleep the nite before. I was just fine but they said if I argued I'd be blackballed from the job. Oh well. I wanted another week off anyway

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

[mailin 0]

Does that mean you can try again?

If so... well thats cool!

The only time I've been drug tested was for a job at Wal*Mart when I was in HS. The folks there might not use drugs... but perhaps it'd be better if they did




Jen

Arianna Frances

[RevJim 0]

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Went into the hiring process yesterday and they hit me w/ a saliva alcohol test and a piss test. Partyed my ass off the night before. Not good. Had an .08 alcohol.

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Building a new large powerplant in So. Cal. Luckily I'm in a union so they just sent me home and said come back next Mon..

...and people wonder why I'm anti-union?

Nothing against you personally bud, but shit, why would you, or anyone else, even deserve another chance?

It's your life, live it!
Karma
RB#684 "Corcho", ASK#60, Muff#3520, NCB#398, NHDZ#4, C-33989, DG#1

[cloudseeker2001 0]

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Went into the hiring process yesterday and they hit me w/ a saliva alcohol test and a piss test. Partyed my ass off the night before. Not good. Had an .08 alcohol.

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Building a new large powerplant in So. Cal. Luckily I'm in a union so they just sent me home and said come back next Mon..

...and people wonder why I'm anti-union?

Nothing against you personally bud, but shit, why would you, or anyone else, even deserve another chance?

Well, have you ever worked a union job or with union companies? I do not think you have if you ask such a question. And a far from perfect saliva test is a good reason for another chance. And, guess who brought YOU the weekends, OT, vacation time and a 40 hour work week.......IT WAS THE UNIONS! Reasons for union.

Better working conditions
Better pay
Better training
Better tools
Better management
Better quality product
Better communication and organization (usually)
Safer working environment
Better benefits

that is just off the top, I am sure I will think of more later.

"Some call it heavenly in it's brilliance,
others mean and rueful of the western dream"

[RevJim 0]

I'll not start a war here, as I fully admit the unions gained us many of the items you state. The problem? Those items are now LAW, and the union's main purpose now it to drive inflation.

How much would a new Ford/Dodge/Chevy truck cost today if the factories were no longer strong armed by the UAW?

Another one: A very good friend of mine is a union welder, on a pipe crew, with his own equipment, in his own truck. He drives it to the job sites daily, but once he punches in, he's not allowed to drive it. It's a union jobsite, so a teamster does the driving. Yea, if that's what you call it. Start Truck, pull forward 20 feet, shut off truck, read book for an hour, start truck, pull forward 20 feet, shut off truck, read book, repeat for 10 hours @ $30 an hour.

What the fuck is wrong with that picture?

It's your life, live it!
Karma
RB#684 "Corcho", ASK#60, Muff#3520, NCB#398, NHDZ#4, C-33989, DG#1

[mailin 0]

hehe

One of the reasons my dad left union carpentry. He's now making 60% more and actually has steady work. I know few companies that won't want to save money by going non-union.

Union work does have a higher standard, generally. But that can be marginal if you spend enough time looking for a good private firm.

I worked at a hospital in the engineering department - we had a guy, in the union, who's job it was to push the lightbulb cart for the guy who's job it was to change lightbulbs.

Both of them got $30 an hour with 5 hours of guaranteed overtime a week.


Jen

Arianna Frances

[PhreeZone 20]

My father works for Ford. Currenty he is on some sort of temp lay off. But they could'nt jsut lay them off so they instead pay them 90% of thier salery to clock in for 5 minutes to make sure there is no work for that day. If there is then they work, otherwise they are free to leave. All most every one of the crew he is on makes $60k a year or more. Last I talked to him I knew of 15 people that were on this program. Thats $810,000 in salery plus benifits that Ford is paying these guys to clock in and out each day.

Whats sad is that I think every one of them took a second job instead of staying at home with their families or something since they are all work-a-holics. Average incone at their second jobs is probally 45-60k.

I will never again buy a Ford even with the discount I could get through him over this stupid practice.

You want to see how much the price could be cut? Look at a Honda.

Yesterday is history
And tomorrow is a mystery

Parachutemanuals.com

[RevJim 0]

Honda is a good example.

Another is Kia. Despite the problems Jen has had with brakes (If I remember right), they are actually a pretty damned solid car. I know, I worked for the primary hauler distributing them from the ports to the dealers (The Waggonners Trucking, the largest NON-UNION car hauler in the Unites States).

A deal up here recently was buy a Kia Sedona (their mini van) and get a Kia Rio (Civic type sedan) for free. No shit. The 7 pasenger vans, in the sale trim, were going for ~25 grand. A mini van and a car for 25 grand? With what is actually a pretty damned good warranty (minus the brakes)?

I love being American. It means I can choose. I chose by price, which just might mean a South Korean car next time.

It's your life, live it!
Karma
RB#684 "Corcho", ASK#60, Muff#3520, NCB#398, NHDZ#4, C-33989, DG#1

[slug 1]

Maybe speakers corner time

I suspect the issues of unions has come up before.Maybe more than once

Don't want to work union? don't have to
Don't want to buy union products produced in the usa? don't have to
R.I.P.

[larsrulz 0]

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Don't want to work union? don't have to

The problem I have is that I was forced into a union for graduate students where I go to school. I gain no benefit from it (my department was one of the highest paid in the school), but I am still *required* to pay the annual dues. How is it even logical to *force* someone to join a union? The biggest problem is the union laws in our country are illogical.

I got a strong urge to fly, but I got no where to fly to. -PF

[plowdirt 0]

i learned this hard lesson once.

takes one hour before alcohol to enter your system and one hour for it to get out. and every drink after that one hour. Should a seen these people comming into the 7:00am class and blow, noog I'mn nogt drungk, I hafvn't drgangk.

[PhillyKev 0]

That sucks. Sorry to hear it. I'm very opposed to drug testing by companies because what you do on your own time shouldn't be an issue. But were you really .08 when you went in for an interview? That would mean you were pretty buzzed while you were there.

[akarunway 1]

That sucks. Sorry to hear it. I'm very opposed to drug testing by companies because what you do on your own time shouldn't be an issue. But were you really .08 when you went in for an interview? That would mean you were pretty buzzed while you were there. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Actually I have a high tolerance for alcohol. I'm Irish after all. I went to bed 12 hrs before this test after dinner. I have never been hurt on a job in 27 yrs. These are new experimental drug tests. I get a different one lately on every job I go on. I did a saliva drug test on the last one. They said they stopped doing the saliva alchol tests on that one cause they were unproven.. I talked to twenty coworkers before the test and believe you me they would have told me if they smelled alcohol. The girl that gave the test was a dyke man hater and how do I know that little piece of paper was mine?. I had a private meeting w/ the Supt, the safety man and the job steward and none of them smelled any alcohol either. Who knows. I'm getting to the point where I'd rather take a blood test. This shit is getting out of hand. And it wasn't an interview it was orientation. I come highly recommended as I've worked on four powerhouses in four years. All til the end and in inspection and supervision

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

[JohnnyD 0]

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For this job. Went into the hiring process yesterday and they hit me w/ a saliva alcohol test and a piss test. Partyed my ass off the night before. Not good. Had an .08 alcohol. Needless to say

Dude, if that's accurate you could have gotten a 502 on the way to the orientation! That's hardcore.

[cloudseeker2001 0]

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I'll not start a war here, as I fully admit the unions gained us many of the items you state. The problem? Those items are now LAW, and the union's main purpose now it to drive inflation.

How much would a new Ford/Dodge/Chevy truck cost today if the factories were no longer strong armed by the UAW?

Another one: A very good friend of mine is a union welder, on a pipe crew, with his own equipment, in his own truck. He drives it to the job sites daily, but once he punches in, he's not allowed to drive it. It's a union jobsite, so a teamster does the driving. Yea, if that's what you call it. Start Truck, pull forward 20 feet, shut off truck, read book for an hour, start truck, pull forward 20 feet, shut off truck, read book, repeat for 10 hours @ $30 an hour.

What the fuck is wrong with that picture?

Well, I guess we could all just trust the companies to do the right thing for the people! I am sure companies love doing good things for good people right? They NEVER fuck the masses over.

Just read a little about how the railroad was built and those awful working conditions. Do you really think those days are long gone? Thanks unions!

"Some call it heavenly in it's brilliance,
others mean and rueful of the western dream"

[Brian425 0]

The simple question is why would you even take the risk by drinking the night before? You knew that you had this interview. You know there was a possibility that you may have to take some sort of drug/alcohol test. In my mind that is just poor judgement. Did you really need to go out and have a few drinks?

Personally I would not give you another chance. If you came to interview with me and you could not pass up one night drinking, I would be concerned.

Just my opinion.

B

The only time you should look down on someone is when you are offering them your hand.

[RevJim 0]

The unions in the government's eye have been replaced by countless watchdog groups. Yes, the unions fought for those things you state, but since they were won (turned into law) the unions themselves have turned into gluttonus pigs, feeding off the very workers and consumers they are supposedly out to 'help'.

The unions were a good thing, and they did their part. They are an unnecessary wage inflater now.

There are laws in place to protect the common worker now, laws that were fought for by the unions. We (thankfully) are past that point in our history.

I think it's about time the rich stopped getting richer, the poor stopped getting poorer, and the goods that used to be commonplace be priced back into purchase viability of the middle class American.

Bye bye, unions, as far as I am concerned.

It's your life, live it!
Karma
RB#684 "Corcho", ASK#60, Muff#3520, NCB#398, NHDZ#4, C-33989, DG#1