gjhdiver 0 #1 January 21, 2005 I've just had it after years of dealing with unwieldy frankensteins of lumpen software, bad drivers, vulnerable apps, and crappy failing hardware. Not to mention stock apps like IE that stuff my registry with data miners every time I use it. I'm getting a G5 Imac, I swear. Who's with me ?! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #2 January 21, 2005 QuoteI'm getting a G5 Imac, I swear. Who's with me ?! Not the gaming community.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mouth 0 #3 January 21, 2005 Temper, temper -- Hot Mama At least you know where you stand even if it is in a pile of shit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vdschoor 0 #4 January 21, 2005 QuoteI've just had it after years of dealing with unwieldy frankensteins of lumpen software, bad drivers, vulnerable apps, and crappy failing hardware. Not to mention stock apps like IE that stuff my registry with data miners every time I use it. I'm getting a G5 Imac, I swear. Who's with me ?! I already went to the dark side The only place I still use a pc is at work, cause I have to.. Iwan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #5 January 21, 2005 get away cheaply with a minimac Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #6 January 21, 2005 QuoteQuoteI'm getting a G5 Imac, I swear. Who's with me ?! Not the gaming community. Well, no.. the Mac has ...... ......... ......... um...... Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spatula 0 #7 January 21, 2005 I'm one step ahead of you..just ordered my new IMAC G5 yesterday....for all the same reasons....... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyIvan 0 #8 January 21, 2005 There's nothing wrong with PC's...it's the user's fault.__________________________________________ Blue Skies and May the Force be with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelel01 1 #9 January 21, 2005 I just got mine, and I love it . . . but I have NO interest in computer games, which I think is a big factor. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites vdschoor 0 #10 January 21, 2005 QuoteThere's nothing wrong with PC's...it's the user's fault. You are right, it is the user's fault for not: - continuously upgrading and updating their anti-virus software - continuously upgrading and updating their spyware detection software - continuously installing Windows patches etc etc etc In order to keep your PC safe, it takes quite a bit of work. I know Gareth, and he's been around computers for a long time too.. just like me, and keeping your pc clean and "safe for the internet" is a lot of work. I'm not saying that PCs are bad, cause they are not but it is a lot of work keeping them up to date and clean of virusses. Iwan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ChasingBlueSky 0 #11 January 21, 2005 Quote You are right, it is the user's fault for not: - continuously upgrading and updating their anti-virus software - continuously upgrading and updating their spyware detection software - continuously installing Windows patches etc etc etc In order to keep your PC safe, it takes quite a bit of work. I know Gareth, and he's been around computers for a long time too.. just like me, and keeping your pc clean and "safe for the internet" is a lot of work. I'm not saying that PCs are bad, cause they are not but it is a lot of work keeping them up to date and clean of virusses. Iwan You can set all of those to update automatically when you are online. That's not too hard to do - just log on with dial up, or leave the PC on while you are on broadband. btw - there is plenty of spyware and virii for Mac and Unix, it just doesn't make as much news. Hell, there are virii for Java based cell phones._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ryoder 1,590 #12 January 21, 2005 QuoteThere's nothing wrong with PC's...it's the user's fault. I'm sorry Ivan; You just gave me a belly laugh, but then I realized you were serious."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ryoder 1,590 #13 January 21, 2005 Quote btw - there is plenty of spyware and virii for Mac and Unix, it just doesn't make as much news. Hell, there are virii for Java based cell phones. I've been on the Internet since 1986 running Unix(s) and (more recently) Mac OS X, and taking absolutely no precautions against virii/spyware/adware. I've never had any of them. Boy, I must be really lucky!!! Hey, ya' know what? I'm gonna go buy a lottery ticket!"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Nightingale 0 #14 January 21, 2005 ME! I'm buying an iMac tomorrow. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Nightingale 0 #15 January 21, 2005 QuoteQuoteI'm getting a G5 Imac, I swear. Who's with me ?! Not the gaming community. The majority of Blizzard games are available for Mac. World of Warcraft is on Mac, as is Everquest, and EQ2 will be released on Mac within the next year. I'll be picking up a G5 iMac tomorrow, along with World of Warcraft. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Maxx 1 #16 January 21, 2005 I'm with you! Just bought a nice 12" iBook for everyday use and to carry around.. My PC is turned off at the moment. Apple is much more beautiful, and the best is: everything works as it should be. Max Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ChasingBlueSky 0 #17 January 21, 2005 QuoteQuote btw - there is plenty of spyware and virii for Mac and Unix, it just doesn't make as much news. Hell, there are virii for Java based cell phones. I've been on the Internet since 1986 running Unix(s) and (more recently) Mac OS X, and taking absolutely no precautions against virii/spyware/adware. I've never had any of them. Boy, I must be really lucky!!! Hey, ya' know what? I'm gonna go buy a lottery ticket! I've been on the net full time since about 1991. I grew up on Apple's, TRS-80s and the classic Mac and I really like OSX. I was an AIX administrator for a few years, part of that time was at IBM working with the engineers that created the RS6000 line and the software. I can tell you from their mouth that there are holes that can be found in all System V unix variants. But the people that attack those systems are not your run of the mill hacks looking to get press with their new worm - they are looking to do a bit more damage which is why you don't hear about them as much. They have very focused attacks. You don't see worms spread on Macs as much because there just are not as many of those sitting on desktops. It makes perfect sense to think that the more clients you have to spread a worm, the more prolific the infection will be. Also, most of these hacks like to target PCs because of their M$ $ucks attitude - just read the 2600 forums and you will see how much they really hate MS_________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites gjhdiver 0 #18 January 21, 2005 Quote grew up on Apple's, TRS-80s and the classic Mac and really like OSX. I was an AIX administrator for a few years, part of that time was at IBM working with the engineers that created the RS6000 line and the software. Me too, as they like to say on AOL. I currently use an RS6000 running AIX Universe. The company uses Dells exclusively, and gave me one for support from home. It's that one that's probably going to do an unannouched skydive very shortly. It's got more free swap space than I care to think about, over 256 RAM, 120G spare disc space, and the thing is as slow and as unwieldy as an abacus. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Deuce 1 #19 January 21, 2005 QuoteI know Gareth, and he's been around computers for a long time too.. just like me Um, Iwan? G-Money has been around even longer than me, and the first computer I used had tubes in it, and ran on a reel-to-reel. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ChasingBlueSky 0 #20 January 21, 2005 Quote Me too, as they like to say on AOL. I currently use an RS6000 running AIX Universe. The company uses Dells exclusively, and gave me one for support from home. It's that one that's probably going to do an unannouched skydive very shortly. It's got more free swap space than I care to think about, over 256 RAM, 120G spare disc space, and the thing is as slow and as unwieldy as an abacus. Agreed - all PCs have some issues and can drag to a crawl. I use my laptop for just about everything and it runs slow as shit now. However, the PC I use for performance (digital editing and gaming) runs like a dream because I've trimmed it down and did some registry hacking to get it to do what I want. Then again, just about any consumer computer has a ton of glut on it that isn't needed to help drive sales. Including mac. Nothing will ever run as fast as a custom built mission critical server. edit to add: Get video of that skydiving PC!_________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dorbie 0 #21 January 21, 2005 QuoteQuoteThere's nothing wrong with PC's...it's the user's fault. You are right, it is the user's fault for not: - continuously upgrading and updating their anti-virus software - continuously upgrading and updating their spyware detection software - continuously installing Windows patches etc etc etc In order to keep your PC safe, it takes quite a bit of work. I know Gareth, and he's been around computers for a long time too.. just like me, and keeping your pc clean and "safe for the internet" is a lot of work. I'm not saying that PCs are bad, cause they are not but it is a lot of work keeping them up to date and clean of virusses. Iwan All of this happens automatically on my PC after asking me permission, it takes almost no work. My hardware firewall/router helps too but I need that anyway so that's a freebee and takes no work in anycase. PCs represent a target rich environment for hackers, it's getting better w.r.t. the OS itself but it'll never be safe because the popularity makes it the primary target of antisocial freaks who want to cause disruption. I don't use a PC because it's the safe & trouble free option, I use a PC for the same reasons hackers attack it, it's the popular choice so software & hardware developers develop their applications primarily for that platform. I have nothing against Apple, they're great machines, it's just not the right choice for me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DBCOOPER 5 #22 January 22, 2005 Thought it was going to ba a rant about pilot chutesReplying to: Re: Stall On Jump Run Emergency Procedure? by billvon If the plane is unrecoverable then exiting is a very very good idea. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Jimbo 0 #23 January 22, 2005 Quoteand keeping your pc clean and "safe for the internet" is a lot of work. I disagree. My home PC, which I pay very little attention to, is running McAfee A/V, a barely tweaked XP Firewall, and Spybot S&D and has experienced absolutely no problems related to software, infections, spyware, etc . . . The time that I spend maintaining this beast is probably a few hours a year. Re: the hardware comment. By good hardware and it won't fail. If this old Unix guy can do it, so can you. - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites happythoughts 0 #24 January 22, 2005 I have always worked with large corporations. When they have 2000 desktops, they only want to support one platform. Everything was generally MS because they were never going to find anyone to support other products. Unfortunately, when I was at AT&T, the MS support had degraded to the point of going from non-help to being-the-problem. At one point, a company-required update contained a virus and they couldn't fix it. If the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail. At AT&T, if you called the "help" desk, they would come get your PC and re-image it with the standard config. You just lost everything. Most of the performance problems that I saw on Unix platforms were created by the C coders. We used a product called Purify that finds memory leaks in programs because of that. I've seen a Unix box with 2gig of ram and 8 100-mip processors at 100% with no processes running. 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vdschoor 0 #10 January 21, 2005 QuoteThere's nothing wrong with PC's...it's the user's fault. You are right, it is the user's fault for not: - continuously upgrading and updating their anti-virus software - continuously upgrading and updating their spyware detection software - continuously installing Windows patches etc etc etc In order to keep your PC safe, it takes quite a bit of work. I know Gareth, and he's been around computers for a long time too.. just like me, and keeping your pc clean and "safe for the internet" is a lot of work. I'm not saying that PCs are bad, cause they are not but it is a lot of work keeping them up to date and clean of virusses. Iwan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #11 January 21, 2005 Quote You are right, it is the user's fault for not: - continuously upgrading and updating their anti-virus software - continuously upgrading and updating their spyware detection software - continuously installing Windows patches etc etc etc In order to keep your PC safe, it takes quite a bit of work. I know Gareth, and he's been around computers for a long time too.. just like me, and keeping your pc clean and "safe for the internet" is a lot of work. I'm not saying that PCs are bad, cause they are not but it is a lot of work keeping them up to date and clean of virusses. Iwan You can set all of those to update automatically when you are online. That's not too hard to do - just log on with dial up, or leave the PC on while you are on broadband. btw - there is plenty of spyware and virii for Mac and Unix, it just doesn't make as much news. Hell, there are virii for Java based cell phones._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #12 January 21, 2005 QuoteThere's nothing wrong with PC's...it's the user's fault. I'm sorry Ivan; You just gave me a belly laugh, but then I realized you were serious."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #13 January 21, 2005 Quote btw - there is plenty of spyware and virii for Mac and Unix, it just doesn't make as much news. Hell, there are virii for Java based cell phones. I've been on the Internet since 1986 running Unix(s) and (more recently) Mac OS X, and taking absolutely no precautions against virii/spyware/adware. I've never had any of them. Boy, I must be really lucky!!! Hey, ya' know what? I'm gonna go buy a lottery ticket!"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #14 January 21, 2005 ME! I'm buying an iMac tomorrow. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #15 January 21, 2005 QuoteQuoteI'm getting a G5 Imac, I swear. Who's with me ?! Not the gaming community. The majority of Blizzard games are available for Mac. World of Warcraft is on Mac, as is Everquest, and EQ2 will be released on Mac within the next year. I'll be picking up a G5 iMac tomorrow, along with World of Warcraft. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maxx 1 #16 January 21, 2005 I'm with you! Just bought a nice 12" iBook for everyday use and to carry around.. My PC is turned off at the moment. Apple is much more beautiful, and the best is: everything works as it should be. Max Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #17 January 21, 2005 QuoteQuote btw - there is plenty of spyware and virii for Mac and Unix, it just doesn't make as much news. Hell, there are virii for Java based cell phones. I've been on the Internet since 1986 running Unix(s) and (more recently) Mac OS X, and taking absolutely no precautions against virii/spyware/adware. I've never had any of them. Boy, I must be really lucky!!! Hey, ya' know what? I'm gonna go buy a lottery ticket! I've been on the net full time since about 1991. I grew up on Apple's, TRS-80s and the classic Mac and I really like OSX. I was an AIX administrator for a few years, part of that time was at IBM working with the engineers that created the RS6000 line and the software. I can tell you from their mouth that there are holes that can be found in all System V unix variants. But the people that attack those systems are not your run of the mill hacks looking to get press with their new worm - they are looking to do a bit more damage which is why you don't hear about them as much. They have very focused attacks. You don't see worms spread on Macs as much because there just are not as many of those sitting on desktops. It makes perfect sense to think that the more clients you have to spread a worm, the more prolific the infection will be. Also, most of these hacks like to target PCs because of their M$ $ucks attitude - just read the 2600 forums and you will see how much they really hate MS_________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gjhdiver 0 #18 January 21, 2005 Quote grew up on Apple's, TRS-80s and the classic Mac and really like OSX. I was an AIX administrator for a few years, part of that time was at IBM working with the engineers that created the RS6000 line and the software. Me too, as they like to say on AOL. I currently use an RS6000 running AIX Universe. The company uses Dells exclusively, and gave me one for support from home. It's that one that's probably going to do an unannouched skydive very shortly. It's got more free swap space than I care to think about, over 256 RAM, 120G spare disc space, and the thing is as slow and as unwieldy as an abacus. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deuce 1 #19 January 21, 2005 QuoteI know Gareth, and he's been around computers for a long time too.. just like me Um, Iwan? G-Money has been around even longer than me, and the first computer I used had tubes in it, and ran on a reel-to-reel. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #20 January 21, 2005 Quote Me too, as they like to say on AOL. I currently use an RS6000 running AIX Universe. The company uses Dells exclusively, and gave me one for support from home. It's that one that's probably going to do an unannouched skydive very shortly. It's got more free swap space than I care to think about, over 256 RAM, 120G spare disc space, and the thing is as slow and as unwieldy as an abacus. Agreed - all PCs have some issues and can drag to a crawl. I use my laptop for just about everything and it runs slow as shit now. However, the PC I use for performance (digital editing and gaming) runs like a dream because I've trimmed it down and did some registry hacking to get it to do what I want. Then again, just about any consumer computer has a ton of glut on it that isn't needed to help drive sales. Including mac. Nothing will ever run as fast as a custom built mission critical server. edit to add: Get video of that skydiving PC!_________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dorbie 0 #21 January 21, 2005 QuoteQuoteThere's nothing wrong with PC's...it's the user's fault. You are right, it is the user's fault for not: - continuously upgrading and updating their anti-virus software - continuously upgrading and updating their spyware detection software - continuously installing Windows patches etc etc etc In order to keep your PC safe, it takes quite a bit of work. I know Gareth, and he's been around computers for a long time too.. just like me, and keeping your pc clean and "safe for the internet" is a lot of work. I'm not saying that PCs are bad, cause they are not but it is a lot of work keeping them up to date and clean of virusses. Iwan All of this happens automatically on my PC after asking me permission, it takes almost no work. My hardware firewall/router helps too but I need that anyway so that's a freebee and takes no work in anycase. PCs represent a target rich environment for hackers, it's getting better w.r.t. the OS itself but it'll never be safe because the popularity makes it the primary target of antisocial freaks who want to cause disruption. I don't use a PC because it's the safe & trouble free option, I use a PC for the same reasons hackers attack it, it's the popular choice so software & hardware developers develop their applications primarily for that platform. I have nothing against Apple, they're great machines, it's just not the right choice for me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DBCOOPER 5 #22 January 22, 2005 Thought it was going to ba a rant about pilot chutesReplying to: Re: Stall On Jump Run Emergency Procedure? by billvon If the plane is unrecoverable then exiting is a very very good idea. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #23 January 22, 2005 Quoteand keeping your pc clean and "safe for the internet" is a lot of work. I disagree. My home PC, which I pay very little attention to, is running McAfee A/V, a barely tweaked XP Firewall, and Spybot S&D and has experienced absolutely no problems related to software, infections, spyware, etc . . . The time that I spend maintaining this beast is probably a few hours a year. Re: the hardware comment. By good hardware and it won't fail. If this old Unix guy can do it, so can you. - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #24 January 22, 2005 I have always worked with large corporations. When they have 2000 desktops, they only want to support one platform. Everything was generally MS because they were never going to find anyone to support other products. Unfortunately, when I was at AT&T, the MS support had degraded to the point of going from non-help to being-the-problem. At one point, a company-required update contained a virus and they couldn't fix it. If the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail. At AT&T, if you called the "help" desk, they would come get your PC and re-image it with the standard config. You just lost everything. Most of the performance problems that I saw on Unix platforms were created by the C coders. We used a product called Purify that finds memory leaks in programs because of that. I've seen a Unix box with 2gig of ram and 8 100-mip processors at 100% with no processes running. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rmsmith 1 #25 January 22, 2005 QuoteYou just lost everything. No file servers? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
