I'm getting fed up with the Fed

[Slappie 9]

This story is hypothetical but based on truths. Dog sniffing may lead to packet sniffing If you know anything about the internet, our privacy may have just gotten a big knock in the balls.

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The Fourth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution is supposed to be the one that protects people and their "houses, places and effects" against "unreasonable searches." Forty-two years ago, the U.S. Supreme Court held that attaching a listening device to a public pay phone violated this provision because the Constitution protects people, not places, and because the Fourth Amendment prohibits warrantless searches without probable cause if the target enjoys a reasonable expectation of privacy.

Last month the U.S. Supreme Court effectively decimated this principle in a case that could have a profound impact on privacy rights online.

The case, decided by the court on January 24th, had nothing to do with the Information Superhighway, but rather an ordinary interstate highway in Illinois. Roy Caballes was pulled over by the Illinois State Police for speeding. While one officer was writing him a ticket, another officer in another patrol car came by with a drug sniffing dog.

Read the story if you wish, it explains what it could and possible mean to the intra-web as it's called.

"Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them."

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This story is hypothetical but based on truths. Dog sniffing may lead to packet sniffing If you know anything about the internet, our privacy may have just gotten a big knock in the balls.

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The Fourth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution is supposed to be the one that protects people and their "houses, places and effects" against "unreasonable searches." Forty-two years ago, the U.S. Supreme Court held that attaching a listening device to a public pay phone violated this provision because the Constitution protects people, not places, and because the Fourth Amendment prohibits warrantless searches without probable cause if the target enjoys a reasonable expectation of privacy.

Last month the U.S. Supreme Court effectively decimated this principle in a case that could have a profound impact on privacy rights online.

The case, decided by the court on January 24th, had nothing to do with the Information Superhighway, but rather an ordinary interstate highway in Illinois. Roy Caballes was pulled over by the Illinois State Police for speeding. While one officer was writing him a ticket, another officer in another patrol car came by with a drug sniffing dog.

Read the story if you wish, it explains what it could and possible mean to the intra-web as it's called.

Its already been done. This is nothing new.

Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.

[Slappie 9]

Well it was limited to TCP/IP sniffing and headers. Not to the actuall content unless the headers gave them reasons to believe the email or transmission was illegal in it's content.

Now they can basically, setup sniffers and sniff all the packets they want. Basically filter all the traffic they wish without probable cause.

"Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them."

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Well it was limited to TCP/IP sniffing and headers. Not to the actuall content unless the headers gave them reasons to believe the email or transmission was illegal in it's content.

Now they can basically, setup sniffers and sniff all the packets they want. Basically filter all the traffic they wish without probable cause.

That article said that those doing nothing wrong will not even know it. It is the person committing a crime that will. Can you point to the part about filtering?

Nevermind, i got it. But that means Carnivore will FILTER their finds. I thought you meant a filter of what gets to us.

I could care less. If I am doing no crime, whatever.

Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.

[ChrisL 2]

If you drive around breaking traffic laws while you have
illegal drugs in your car, you are a moron and deserve to have
them randomly stroll by with a drug sniffing dog

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[Slappie 9]

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If you drive around breaking traffic laws while you have
illegal drugs in your car, you are a moron and deserve to have
them randomly stroll by with a drug sniffing dog

You didn't read the article please step away from the thread until you grasp what the conversation is about.

"Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them."

[Slappie 9]

I may not be a terrorist but I sometimes traffic in pirated or altered programs. Gaming files, *gasp* music.. This is leading right into RIAA MPAA etc's hands. Goverment agencies not even connected to the Homeland Security Dept. Could conseviably sniff my traffic and decided they want to sieze my computer.

"Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them."

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Nevermind, i got it. But that means Carnivore will FILTER their finds. I thought you meant a filter of what gets to us.

I thought they ruled Carnivore as illegal?

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Nevermind, i got it. But that means Carnivore will FILTER their finds. I thought you meant a filter of what gets to us.

I thought they ruled Carnivore as illegal?

uh yes...yes of course they did. There is no way they are using anything like that

Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.

[Slappie 9]

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Nevermind, i got it. But that means Carnivore will FILTER their finds. I thought you meant a filter of what gets to us.

I thought they ruled Carnivore as illegal?

No the Feds decided they weren't going to use it and said they're looking into a more economical "off the self" program. Carnivore is active and will be. Don't let the smoke screen lull you into a sense of security.

"Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them."

[ChrisL 2]

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If you drive around breaking traffic laws while you have
illegal drugs in your car, you are a moron and deserve to have
them randomly stroll by with a drug sniffing dog

You didn't read the article please step away from the thread until you grasp what the conversation is about.

Well that was one huge assumption on your part slappy, and you were wrong. I know exactly what its about. I was merely amused by the content of the post and commented on it.
Please note that I'm a Sr. UNIX and Network admin professionally and that this topic is WELL known to me.


Thanks for the blistering (and incorrect) chastisement.

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Nevermind, i got it. But that means Carnivore will FILTER their finds. I thought you meant a filter of what gets to us.

I thought they ruled Carnivore as illegal?

No the Feds decided they weren't going to use it and said they're looking into a more economical "off the self" program. Carnivore is active and will be. Don't let the smoke screen lull you into a sense of security.

Well I will tell you, if I TRULY cared about privacy and had something to hide, I would not be posting here or buying ANYTHING off the internet, or using the internet at all.

Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.

[Slappie 9]

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If you drive around breaking traffic laws while you have
illegal drugs in your car, you are a moron and deserve to have
them randomly stroll by with a drug sniffing dog

You didn't read the article please step away from the thread until you grasp what the conversation is about.

Well that was one huge assumption on your part slappy, and you were wrong. I know exactly what its about. I was merely amused by the content of the post and commented on it.

Thanks for the blistering (and incorrect) chastisement.

No my actual comments were based on what you said about the drugs and the dog. The threads ideal was nothing to do with drugs nor drug sniffing dogs.

So don't whine, you got smacked.. deal with it. jeez

"Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them."

[ChrisL 2]

A quote from the exact text of the post...

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The case, decided by the court on January 24th, had nothing to do with the Information Superhighway, but rather an ordinary interstate highway in Illinois. Roy Caballes was pulled over by the Illinois State Police for speeding. While one officer was writing him a ticket, another officer in another patrol car came by with a drug sniffing dog.

I commented on an amusing part of what was posted. If you have issues with that, I'm sorry.
It certainly doesnt mean I was unaware of the "spirit" of the post.

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The case, decided by the court on January 24th, had nothing to do with the Information Superhighway, but rather an ordinary interstate highway in Illinois. Roy Caballes was pulled over by the Illinois State Police for speeding. While one officer was writing him a ticket, another officer in another patrol car came by with a drug sniffing dog.

Dude, don't quote the FACTS from the article. That never helps!

Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.

[Slappie 9]

Yes but the true topic of the thread was buried deeper. I don't always post what I'm refering to on the surface. I sometimes want a true discussion with intelligent content. Not just boobies an sex all the time.

If you would have dug deeper into the content of my post. efore you assumed I was complaing about drugs and some unfortunate drug courier. Who's whining and loosing in court about the unlawful use of a drug dog. You were mistaken.

"Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them."

[ChrisL 2]

Objection, your Honor. Strangling the wittness!

I'll allow it.

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[ChrisL 2]

I knew from the very first post that it was about internet privacy, Slappy.

You are laboring under false assumptions.

I am guilty of highjacking, though, which lead to your assumption. For that I apologise.

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[Slappie 9]

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Well I will tell you, if I TRULY cared about privacy and had something to hide, I would not be posting here or buying ANYTHING off the internet, or using the internet at all.

Granted that's a way to look at it. I don't look at it that way. The internet isn't or wasn't constructed just in the US. It's a global community. Where can the US goverment come off and just randomly start checking the content of the information I'm seeing or sending within this global community. IN ways the Supreme Court deemed against the constitution.

*sigh*

"Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them."

[Slappie 9]

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I knew from the very first post that it was about internet privacy, Slappy.

You are laboring under false assumptions.

I am guilty of highjacking, though, which lead to your assumption. For that I apologise.

No worries KrisL

"Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them."

[ChrisL 2]

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I knew from the very first post that it was about internet privacy, Slappy.

You are laboring under false assumptions.

I am guilty of highjacking, though, which lead to your assumption. For that I apologise.

No worries KrisL

Kool beans, Schlappy

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[Slappie 9]

[hijack] Why can't people spell Slappie? They can spell other peoples names or user names just fine. Why am I always "Slappy" is it on purpose? To somehow try to make me look stupid because my username is Slappie? I just don't get it... [/hijack]

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"Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them."

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[hijack] Why can't people spell Slappie? They can spell other peoples names or user names just fine. Why am I always "Slappy" is it on purpose? To somehow try to make me look stupid because my username is Slappie? I just don't get it... [/hijack]

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hey pot, that over there is kettle....we also call him CHrisL.

Anyway, I dunno, I don't care if Carnivore checks my email. I just don't.

Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.

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[hijack] Why can't people spell Slappie? They can spell other peoples names or user names just fine. Why am I always "Slappy" is it on purpose? To somehow try to make me look stupid because my username is Slappie? I just don't get it... [/hijack]

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For the same reason they cant spell Chris and instead write "Kris"

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[hijack] Why can't people spell Slappie? They can spell other peoples names or user names just fine. Why am I always "Slappy" is it on purpose? To somehow try to make me look stupid because my username is Slappie? I just don't get it... [/hijack]

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For the same reason they cant spell Chris and instead write "Kris"

I am usually not this touchy. I do take care to normally spell peoples usernames the way they have them listed in the forums. I don't change them because they've got their reasons for spelling them the way they do. They're not always gramaticly correct nor spelt correctly. I don't "fix" them for them...

I spelt your username KrisL because you spelt Slappie "slappy" a number of times. It agitated me.


Sum-Bitch I need a beer this evening!

"Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them."