Darius11 12 #26 March 10, 2005 I think it is a stupid law. I think it should be up to the bar owner and no one else. The only time I like to smoke is when I am drinking, Skydiving, or after sex. I hate people who want to make every one comply with their wants. The world doesn’t revolve around you.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RevJim 0 #27 March 10, 2005 QuoteQuote No, it's not. I'm not banning smoking, I'm for banning it indoors in public (indoor) places. The act of smoking produces carcinogens. You have the right to smoke. Go ahead, just go outside. I'll be inside waiting for ya with a cold beer when you're done. There is still an issue of invasion here. Why must I go outside because of your wishes? Just cuz you're a Rev . . . That's right, dammit! God says I have the right to clean lungs. Oh, and because smoking outside doesn't concentrate said carcinogens in the HVAC systems. Now, where did I put that crack pipe? It's your life, live it! Karma RB#684 "Corcho", ASK#60, Muff#3520, NCB#398, NHDZ#4, C-33989, DG#1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #28 March 10, 2005 Oh NOOOOO Just don't turn ionto Pat Roberts - Oh wait - he smokes - never mindI'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chrissay 0 #29 March 10, 2005 QuoteThen don't go to bars. wow, thanks for the news flash. I really don't go to bars anymore unless it is a special occassion due to the fact that I don't like smelling like smoke. I'm fully aware of what bars are like and therefore choose NOT to go. QuoteWhy should smokers' style of living be altered by your wants and desires? and why should my right to breathe clean air be overridden by the fact that you want to smoke a cigarrette and that your smoking infringes on my clean airspace. Why should I have to breathe your second hand smoke and increase my risk to cancer? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slappie 9 #30 March 10, 2005 This is a hot topic at the moment in Houston. City council just voted and passed a new law. No smoking in restaurants. You can smoke in freestanding bars and restaurants with bars in them. They tried to get it like NYC where you wouldn't be able to even smoke in bars. That failed the vote. I'm a smoker. I've fought hard on this subject for along time. Non-smokers have bashed me, the goverment is getting rich off me. I'm sick of it. I'm tired of holier-then-thou assholes telling me I'm less then a person because I picked up a habit that can eventualy kill me. Get off your high horses and quit riding my ass. I'll quit smoking when I'm damn good and ready. If you don't like my smoking DONT FUCKING HANG AROUND ME! Just like homosexuals, they have their own bars and restaurants. THey can visit non-"gay bars" is they wish. Just don't complain if you get picked on or such. Go visit NON SMOKING establishments. LEAVE ME THE FUCK ALONE! "Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RevJim 0 #31 March 10, 2005 QuoteI think it is a stupid law. I think it should be up to the bar owner and no one else. The only time I like to smoke is when I am drinking, Skydiving, or after sex. I hate people who want to make every one comply with their wants. The world doesn’t revolve around you. You know what? We have NONE of these laws in Wisconsin, yet pretty much every single eatery have gone smoke free, a few clubs, and even a couple of pup type bars. Odd how they are packed darn near every night. Some establishments have gone so far as to build areas outside, sheltered and heated, for smokers to go have a butt. It's called respect. We respect your right to smoke, as long as you will respect our right to clean air. I quit almost 2 years ago. My wife still smokes. In OUR home, she smokes OUTSIDE. Why? Because she respects our CHILDREN'S right to clean air. You want to kill yourself slowly, by all means, go ahead, but you're not taking me with you.It's your life, live it! Karma RB#684 "Corcho", ASK#60, Muff#3520, NCB#398, NHDZ#4, C-33989, DG#1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slappie 9 #32 March 10, 2005 Quotewhy should my right to breathe clean air be overridden by the fact that you want to smoke a cigarrette Because I'm partisipating in a LEGAL Action and I have my rights also. Go outside and breathe clean air. If you don't like smoke don't go where there is smoke. jeeez people are so much better then smokers.. BULLSHIT! "Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aerohaga 0 #33 March 10, 2005 QuoteQuit smoking all sorts of stuff about a year ago. I have absolutely no desire to spark up ever again, but I still LOVE the smell of smoke. Reminds me of happier days . I haven't smoked in 20 years, but still enjoy the second-hand variety when I'm at a bar. I don't like smelling like smoke, though. I won't even go in my house without stripping first when I get home. (Good thing I live out in the boonies!)For my part, I know nothing with any certainty, But the sight of the stars makes me dream. -Vincent Van Gogh Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #34 March 10, 2005 Quote I really don't go to bars anymore . . . . Well, then problem solved. Quote Why should I have to breathe your second hand smoke and increase my risk to cancer? I never said you did - It is always your choice - I propose to let the owner of the establishment make the decision of wether or not to allow smoking. That way the REAL public can show how it feels by supporting or avoiding that bar. That seems the fairest to me. The public - the REAL public - not the council, or any kind of government should make the decision. Eddited: . . . And so it seems to work near where RevJim is.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slappie 9 #35 March 10, 2005 Clean air is a trigger word. There is no such thing as clean air if you live in an urban area. You want clean air go move to Montana. Live in a city, you're going to be breathing worse shit being pumped out of trucks, cars and chemical processing plants in the area then smoking coming from my cigarette. Let's just ban all modes of transportation, refineries and chemical plants. Ok? Fine we'll all walk and ride bikes. Oh that means we can't fly because the exchaust from the turbine is causing CANCER! Give me a break, smoking is just an easy target for the goverment and groups who like to bash someone. "Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chrissay 0 #36 March 10, 2005 QuoteGo outside and breathe clean air. If you don't like smoke don't go where there is smoke. So I am suppose to stay sheltered in my home like a hermit? And never go out? Quote jeeez people are so much better then smokers.. BULLSHIT! That is not the point I am trying to make AT ALL! My point is, step outside if you must smoke, that is all. I'm not saying that smokers shouldn't be allowed in public! I don't really appreciate having smoke blown in my face or have holes burned in my clothes because someones 'hots' fell on my shirt or burned my skin. RevJim said it best--'You want to kill yourself slowly, by all means, go ahead, but you're not taking me with you.' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RevJim 0 #37 March 10, 2005 Hey, does anyone here have some agent orange? I need a fix. How about some asbestos? the dust is cool. Hey, even better, blah blah blah.... Sometimes things get banned for a good reason. the only reason cigarettes are not on that list is the power in government of the tobacco companies, plain and simple.It's your life, live it! Karma RB#684 "Corcho", ASK#60, Muff#3520, NCB#398, NHDZ#4, C-33989, DG#1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slappie 9 #38 March 10, 2005 Oh I understand your points 100% and believe it or not I agree with some. My point is I don't think the goverment nor any agentcy should be able to control where I smoke. This things should be left up to the individuals and establishment owners. Hell they've banned smoking on the sidewalks outside here in Houston. If you're outside a public building (goverment owned or run) you have to stay 25 feet from the entrance. So tell me to go outside, but I have to walk a half block away to lite up. Again BULLSHIT.. "Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slappie 9 #39 March 10, 2005 QuoteHey, does anyone here have some agent orange? I need a fix. How about some asbestos? the dust is cool. Hey, even better, blah blah blah.... Sometimes things get banned for a good reason. the only reason cigarettes are not on that list is the power in government of the tobacco companies, plain and simple. Tobaco has been around alot longer then any goverments we know. Tobaco is a money making comodity. It's easy to regulate and hence laws about it and to govern it. It's all about money. "Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chrissay 0 #40 March 10, 2005 QuoteMy point is I don't think the goverment nor any agentcy should be able to control where I smoke. This things should be left up to the individuals and establishment owners. I do agree with you there! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slappie 9 #41 March 10, 2005 QuoteQuoteMy point is I don't think the goverment nor any agentcy should be able to control where I smoke. This things should be left up to the individuals and establishment owners. I do agree with you there! I think I'm going to faint! A non-smoker who agrees with my argument against goverment regulation of smoking!! "Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RevJim 0 #42 March 10, 2005 Up here in WI we can get fishing, hunting (deer, bear, small game, ect), trapping, ect licenses. I wish they would sell a "Cig Flicker" license. No bag limit. Flick your smoke on the grass? Bang! Out the window on the road? Bang, crash! On the floor? Thwump! (I used my bow for that one) Why is it that soooo many smokers must think that the butts just pick themselves up? It's your life, live it! Karma RB#684 "Corcho", ASK#60, Muff#3520, NCB#398, NHDZ#4, C-33989, DG#1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chrissay 0 #43 March 10, 2005 Quote I think I'm going to faint! A non-smoker who agrees with my argument against goverment regulation of smoking!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slappie 9 #44 March 10, 2005 QuoteUp here in WI we can get fishing, hunting (deer, bear, small game, ect), trapping, ect licenses. I wish they would sell a "Cig Flicker" license. No bag limit. Flick your smoke on the grass? Bang! Out the window on the road? Bang, crash! On the floor? Thwump! (I used my bow for that one) Why is it that soooo many smokers must think that the butts just pick themselves up? You're on a tangent.. That's litter not the regulation of smoking. There are laws in all the states against tossing litter out the window or throwing stuff butts the ground. Take it up with your local authorities. They'll jump through hoops to stop me from smoking in a restaurant, but look the other way when I toss my butt out the window of my truck. "Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RevJim 0 #45 March 10, 2005 QuoteQuoteUp here in WI we can get fishing, hunting (deer, bear, small game, ect), trapping, ect licenses. I wish they would sell a "Cig Flicker" license. No bag limit. Flick your smoke on the grass? Bang! Out the window on the road? Bang, crash! On the floor? Thwump! (I used my bow for that one) Why is it that soooo many smokers must think that the butts just pick themselves up? You're on a tangent.. That's litter not the regulation of smoking. There are laws in all the states against tossing litter out the window or throwing stuff butts the ground. Take it up with your local authorities. They'll jump through hoops to stop me from smoking in a restaurant, but look the other way when I toss my butt out the window of my truck. A tangent? Moi? I'm just giving you an idea of what they will try to regulate next, not that I would support it. Because of the power of tobacco, it will never be banned, much like alcohol (prohibition anyone?) They will try to regulate it to the extreme though. When was the last time you looked for a "Smoking allowed" apartment. How about a really, really nice apartment that also said "Smoking allowed"? See where I'm going with this? As more and more people realize just how bad smoking is for you, the more they try to 'help' those that flat out refuse to help themselves.It's your life, live it! Karma RB#684 "Corcho", ASK#60, Muff#3520, NCB#398, NHDZ#4, C-33989, DG#1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slappie 9 #46 March 10, 2005 QuoteSee where I'm going with this? As more and more people realize just how bad smoking is for you, the more they try to 'help' those that flat out refuse to help themselves. I applaud those who are trying to help me. I'm just to stupid to know that smoking is killing me. I need to goverment to hold my hand an tell me I shouldn't lite up here because it might kill me. Ya ok.. You believe this too I bet? My dad is 74 this year he smoked for 50+ years. When he was in the military packs of smokes and lighters were given away by our goverment in rations. Orders were given, smoke them if you have them. Knowing everyone in the platoon had smokes, they were basically ordered to smoke. He's thought of sueing the military and the goverment for forcing him to smoke in Korea. Really it's just us talking after a few beers, but he's got a point. The man the goverment (DOD) instructed to give him direct orders. Ordered him to smoke, knowing he had them on his person. "Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #47 March 10, 2005 Damn Rev. Sorry dude. Didn’t mean to get you upset. I agree with you. I just think it should be a choice. If a bar wants to allow smoking they should and if you don’t want to go to that bar fine go to one that’s non-smoking. I just don’t think it should be law. I like choicesI'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RevJim 0 #48 March 10, 2005 No worries, dude. Like I said, there's no laws up here dealing with this, just establishments that have decided on their own. Smokers though, here, have sued those places for banning them (even though they were always welcome, they just couldn't light up). They have, as far as I know, never won but, at least one of my favorite restarants went out of business due to one of these suits. Their legal bills defending themselves from this asshat ran them dry.It's your life, live it! Karma RB#684 "Corcho", ASK#60, Muff#3520, NCB#398, NHDZ#4, C-33989, DG#1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymama 37 #49 March 10, 2005 QuoteI like to smoke I wish I knew that before I gave you a kiss for quitting! She is Da Man, and you better not mess with Da Man, because she will lay some keepdown on you faster than, well, really fast. ~Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymama 37 #50 March 10, 2005 QuoteAgain BULLSHIT.. According to the American Cancer Society, "secondhand smoke is the third leading preventable cause of death in the U.S. killing 38,000 to 65,000 nonsmokers every year." Why would you want to take part in something that could kill your friends and family?She is Da Man, and you better not mess with Da Man, because she will lay some keepdown on you faster than, well, really fast. ~Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
