CornishChris 5 #1 March 30, 2009 A friend of mine has left me his rig whilst he goes to Afghanistan for 7 months. He pointed out that the last time the reserve was repacked you could see bits of the pilot chute underneath the flaps of the rig. Have a look at the attached. The first is the rig with everything tucked in, the second is a glimpse of the pilot chute and the third is easily achieved by tugging gently on the pilot chute. He has been jumping it in this state and hasn't had an issue but I wouldn't be happy jumping it to be honest. I welcome your feedback... CJP Gods don't kill people. People with Gods kill people Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmytavino 16 #2 March 30, 2009 less "dangerous" than it looks.... IMHO as long as the pin stays closed... that P C material is mostly a distraction and " looks bad"... however it seems to me,, ( disclaimer,, I'm not a rigger ) that it 's not gonna cause a reserve opening.. I had a Racer rig, which often had PC material sneaking out, from under the cap.... finally ditched the rigger who WAS packing it, and found someone who cared enough,, to properly tighten the cap, and to properly stuff that PC material Under it... still it should be adressed,, I have NEVER seen that on a javelin container.. though i suppose IF one tries,,, One could pull material out from under the cap... i'll be interested in reading other replies... jimmy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davelepka 4 #3 March 30, 2009 It is not uncommon for newer or bad riggers to have a little PC visible under the bottom flap on a Jav. On it's own, it's not that bad. Now that you've grabbed whatever you could see, and pulled it out, it's pretty bad. You're going to have the repacked, right? You weren't thinking about just shoving that back in, were you? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
baronn 111 #4 March 30, 2009 The way a Jav is packed is to put that material under that flap. It's a little tricky to get it just right and have nothing show. Not as bad as it looks. Not right but, if it's like it is in the 2nd photo, it should be fine. Tell whoever repacks it take their time and accordian fold the material under the flap. Don't bring it to them and say "I need it tommorrw." That will eliminate the problem you see. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CornishChris 5 #5 March 30, 2009 I was going to get it repacked anyway as the Cypres needs to go on holiday to Germany... CJP Gods don't kill people. People with Gods kill people Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kingbunky 3 #6 March 30, 2009 if you start with picture 3 and work back to picture 1, it looks pretty much like the packing instructions in the sunpath manual. not really dangerous, just kinda messy looking. i was shown a couple of tricks to deal with it, but it can be tricky to get everything to stay put."Hang on a sec, the young'uns are throwin' beer cans at a golf cart." MB4252 TDS699 killing threads since 2001 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 37 #7 March 30, 2009 Your pick three looks a whole lot like the manual on page 72.http://www.sunpath.com/downloads/manuals/JO2007V3.5.pdf That's how it's packed. The PC material is twisted one half twist, and pulled out to each side. Then the bottom flap is closed and THEN the material stuffed underneath (neatly). It is not accordion folded. Doing it this way helps keep material from coming out on each side of the cap. You essentially reversed the packing process by pulling it out. Hiding the material when looked at from the side is a function of proper loop length, bulk distribution and combination of canopy and container size. All your photo 1 shows is one that could be dressed up a little. How to hide it? Set the container on it's side and beat on it. But only your rigger should do this.Not the best pack job but as good as many I see. The idea is to create a void in the middle of the freebag to acept the PC fabric. Not always easy to do. This was good to go as well as I can tell from the photo. DON'T PULL ON STUFF EVEN IF YOU CAN SEE IT. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tombuch 0 #8 March 30, 2009 As others have said, picture two isn't really a problem. It looks like an issue with bulk distribution changing over time that the original rigger could easily fix. Picture three is obviously unacceptable for jumping, and I wouldn't shove that much material back in place in the field. Most riggers take great pride in their workmanship. The rig should look terrific when it leaves the shop, but over time some compression will take place and it might become a bit sloppy. That's especially true now that U.S. repack standards have extended to 180 days. My suggestion: If you have a rig with material starting to poke out, take it back to the rigger and ask to have it cleaned up. It usually just takes a couple of minutes to reseat the pilot chute and make it all pretty. Many riggers will appreciate the chance to bring the pack job up to their own standards after the settling that occurs over several months. Most riggers won't charge extra to adjust the pilot chute...it's part of good customer service.Tom Buchanan Instructor Emeritus Comm Pilot MSEL,G Author: JUMP! Skydiving Made Fun and Easy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
parachutist 2 #9 March 30, 2009 Quote over time some compression will take place and it might become a bit sloppy. That's what I was told when I first started rigging, but in my experience it seems that's only the case if I do a loose pack job, or if bulk wasn't managed properly. If the job is tight from the start and all corners of the packing tray are filled from the beginning, they don't seem to loosen up. I learned the difference early on by trying a Mirage G3 pack job just using the original manual (my pack jobs would shift), then packing the same rigs using Mike G's Mirage tutorial. Now they were tight and nothing had room to shift over the next XXX days. Photo 1 makes it look like more fabric should be moved to the middle ear portion (next to center of PC) Also it appears there wasn't a 'hole' left between right and left sides at bottom of the pack tray. That empty space should create a depression for the PC fabric to sink into. I've had occasional rigs that come back to me for tightening or reseating, but I try to learn from those & keep it from happening next time on similar rigs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
irishrigger 32 #10 April 1, 2009 again i agree that pic 2 is not really an issue. i looks to me that the closing loop might be a bit long.i have seen this on a few occasion before.as long as the material on the bottom does not come out by it self,it should be fine. i store most of the PC material under the bottom flap when i pack a javelin.i try to make a gap in the free bag where i can palce the material so that it doesnt slip out the side.and if you have the right lenght closing loop,it should not escape out the side of the bottom flap. rodger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
