peregrinerose 0 #26 March 14, 2005 QuoteIn Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- How is unethical/illegal behavior on our part justified by another persons' crime ? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- When it saves the life of your child? If your child is in iminent danger, as in guy pulls a gun on you, is it ethical to shoot them first? YES! If a sex offender moves in down the street, one who has served his/her time (yes, a lot of them are women), has done nothing to you, shows no inclination of harming you, your child, or anyone else, is it ethical to harass them as a preemptive strike? NO! Is it ethical, as eeneR mentioned, to ignore/not befriend a person known to be a sex offender? YES. Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyMan 7 #27 March 14, 2005 It's the classic example of a leading question. To clarify, the example is usually asked as "Have you stopped abusing your spouce, yet?", but I tweaked it for effect. _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vallerina 2 #28 March 14, 2005 QuotePoll selection 2 - you're uncomfortable about it - i.e. don't like it but there's nothing you can do to change it. Poll selection 3 - if it was up to you, there's no way in hell a molestor would be in your neighborhood How are these different then?There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #29 March 14, 2005 I'll bet you've bumped into someone thats been accused or even convicted of a sex crime at a DZ somewhere by now. Did you treat them differently then anyone else?Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eeneR 3 #30 March 14, 2005 QuoteQuotePoll selection 2 - you're uncomfortable about it - i.e. don't like it but there's nothing you can do to change it. Poll selection 3 - if it was up to you, there's no way in hell a molestor would be in your neighborhood How are these different then? 2 you stay there and deal with it 3 you leave pretty simple really She is not a "Dumb Blonde" - She is a "Light-Haired Detour Off The Information Superhighway." eeneR TF#72, FB#4130, Incauto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vallerina 2 #31 March 14, 2005 Quote3 you leave pretty simple really So, you'll leave every time a sex offender comes within a mile of you? Phree brought up a great example. Do you stay at the dz even though it's very likely there's a sex offender staying there as well?There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wildblue 7 #32 March 14, 2005 And off to S.C. we go..... Which actually would be good... it's been a long day, I keep reading "Sex offenders: morning or at night?"it's like incest - you're substituting convenience for quality Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #33 March 14, 2005 I'm wondering why you chose molester. There are a wide varity of crimes that can get you labled a sex offender. Molestation, rape, underage sex, solistation, prostitution, sodomy, attempted any of those, and in some cases pornography can even get you on that list. Do you look at the list and just avoid those people, or do you actually take the tiem to find out about their crime and see the situation? I've got a guy living less then a mile from here that was convicted of having consentual sex with his underage GF and he was convicted and is now labeled a sex offender. Would you treat him differently then someone convicted of rape? Would you treat either of them different then you would someone convicted of assult and battery?Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #34 March 14, 2005 QuoteIt's the classic example of a leading question. _Am No - it wasn't There are OPTIONS. the subject can be broken down, logically, with one exception there is no category where one could admit to being a sex offender. so in Andy's defence we should redo the poll as such Section 1: I am a sex offender Section 2: I accept sex offenders as they are Section 3: I dislike them being near, but there is nothing I can do Section 4: I would take legal steps wherever and whenever possible to disallow them in my neiborhood. That seems pretty cut and dry - what other options do you feel need to be included?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #35 March 14, 2005 I don't think it makes you a bad mom, either! I'm married to w woman who has been in law enforcement for 25yrs. She's now a felony investigator. She's told me of cases where the victim refuses to come forward or can't come forward because they are never found. The creep that comitted the crime keeps on going. Makes you damned mad! Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelel01 1 #36 March 14, 2005 Well, given some of the posts, I think there needs to be an option 5: "I would do anything immoral, illegal, or unethical to get them the hell out of the neighborhood". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #37 March 14, 2005 QuoteWell, given some of the posts, I think there needs to be an option 5: "I would do anything immoral, illegal, or unethical to get them the hell out of the neighborhood". Good point - but what says that my definition of "moral" is the same as yours.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #38 March 14, 2005 QuoteThat seems pretty cut and dry - what other options do you feel need to be included? It has no influence on how once lives their life or raises their child. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #39 March 14, 2005 How can it not?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelel01 1 #40 March 14, 2005 We'll just use common sense and the honor system. If it's a grey area, choose option 4. If it involves spying, harassment, loitering on property, poisoning, defacing property, mail bombing, etc., it would fall under option 5. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vallerina 2 #41 March 14, 2005 QuoteHow can it not? Because whether you know about offenders or not, they are in your area....or you should assume so since it is highly likely.There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrunkMonkey 0 #42 March 14, 2005 IIRC, You can still picket their houses, as long as it's on public property... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eeneR 3 #43 March 14, 2005 QuoteQuote3 you leave pretty simple really So, you'll leave every time a sex offender comes within a mile of you? Phree brought up a great example. Do you stay at the dz even though it's very likely there's a sex offender staying there as well? That is each persons choice.....I didnt say that was mine Again assuming what my opinions are. Stop putting words in my mouth or making un just assumptions. And just to clarify, It would be of concern, but I would do nothing...I wouldnt be nice, I wouldnt be mean to said person. However if there were kids involved they would know to stay away and yes I would have concerns...She is not a "Dumb Blonde" - She is a "Light-Haired Detour Off The Information Superhighway." eeneR TF#72, FB#4130, Incauto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #44 March 14, 2005 QuoteBecause whether you know about offenders or not, they are in your area....or you should assume so since it is highly likely. Thank you Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #45 March 14, 2005 QuoteQuoteHow can it not? Because whether you know about offenders or not, they are in your area....or you should assume so since it is highly likely. This isn't about your aware ness to the presence - it's about " . . . those who do not have kids seem to have no problem with the sex offenders in the neighborhood vs those that do. " that was the topic of the thread . . . that was the question posed. Someone brought up that an option for "It would make no difference" should be added . . . I asked how could it NOT make a difference. Your reply is stated above. So I'll respoond to you, but can we please bring this back on topic. response: So, it's logical to say that you would act the same way, with the same mannerisms, walking down a back alley street, or center city streets as you would in mid america suburbia, or the upper scale neiborhoods of Star Island or Beverly Hills.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #46 March 14, 2005 QuoteSo, it's logical to say that you would act the same way, with the same mannerisms, walking down a back alley street, or center city streets as you would in mid america suburbia, or the upper scale neiborhoods of Star Island or Beverly Hills. Hi pear, meet apple. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smooth 0 #47 March 14, 2005 QuoteQuoteHow can it not? Because whether you know about offenders or not, they are in your area....or you should assume so since it is highly likely. For those of you in Illinois, you can check ==> http://www.isp.state.il.us/sor/frames.htm Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Paige 0 #48 March 14, 2005 QuoteQuote How is unethical/illegal behavior on our part justified by another persons' crime ? When it saves the life of your child? just a guess. Good Point Here! I'm sure many parents would go to the ends of the earth to not have their child sexually assult.Tunnel Pink Mafia Delegate www.TunnelPinkMafia.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #49 March 14, 2005 QuoteQuoteSo, it's logical to say that you would act the same way, with the same mannerisms, walking down a back alley street, or center city streets as you would in mid america suburbia, or the upper scale neiborhoods of Star Island or Beverly Hills. Hi pear, meet apple. Not really - you saying that the environment will not affect the way that someone is brought up is ascenine. If you lived in an area where there were no child mol;esters would you still feel it neccessary to act like the guy next door was convicted and just released?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wildblue 7 #50 March 14, 2005 QuoteIf you lived in an area where there were no child mol;esters would you still feel it neccessary to act like the guy next door was convicted and just released? Yes... for the same reason I lock my doors at night even though no one on my street has been convicted of breaking into a house (that I know of) Is there some rule I wasn't aware of that says sex offenders aren't allowed to leave their neighborhood?it's like incest - you're substituting convenience for quality Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
