Sex offenders in your neighborhood

[eeneR 3]

Ok, this makes me curious after reading the other thread, it seems that those who do not have kids seem to have no problem with the sex offenders in the neighborhood vs those that do.

I fully understand that people have rights, but my .02 when you violate someones elses you loose some of yours. I understand forgiveness and all. But going based on everthing you do wrong you should be forgiven for...then why the hell do anything right.

Anyway, I have a good idea how this poll is going to go...have at it

Edited to add: NO WHERE IN THIS POST AM I SAYING THAT VIOLENCE OR HARRASSEMENT IS THE OPTION, NOWHERE....SO PLEASE STOP READING THAT INTO THIS.[/RED]

Edited for: shitty ass spelling

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eeneR
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[Bouda 0]

i don't have kids but i know alot of people that do. My sister has three girls and another child (boy we hope) on the way. i know that if that stuff would ever happen to my child or nieces that the guy/ girl wouldn't have to worry about prison. cause i would kill them my self. then pled insanity

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[Vallerina 2]

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it seems that those who do not have kids seem to have no problem with the sex offenders in the neighborhood vs those that do.

Just because some of us don't have kids doesn't mean we don't love other kids (ie, my nephews) as if they were our own (keep in mind, I see those boys many many hours a week.)

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when you violate someones elses you loose some of yours.

Then where does it end? Should we make sure that people who drink and drive are never allowed to drive again? Should we make sure that people who shoplifted are never allowed to enter a store again? I do think that sex offenders are the lowest (I would rather be murdered than raped.) I do think that many of them receive sentences which are too light. However, I don't have the right to infringe on anyone else. Just because others break the law doesn't give me the right to do so. If I want to change the way things are done, I contact my representative or take another active part in the community. Harassing criminals will do nothing to ensure that sex offenders are reported more frequently or increase their jail time.

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[eeneR 3]

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However, I don't have the right to infringe on anyone else. Just because others break the law doesn't give me the right to do so.

I do not see anywhere in my post where I said I was going to infringe on anyone rights or break any laws. So calm down before you continue to jump my shit and read.

I simply stated that I have the right to decide who I choose to befriend or not, and those I choose to associate with, and how I choose to deal with them. That is my right, no one in this world has the god given right to my trust, respect or friendship.

Let me ask this....what about the life of hell the victims are stuck with? did they ask for it? was this something that the deserved NO...so then why should the offender get to live on with everyting forgiving them and letting them go on...??? hrrm??

You can choose the same yourself, I was asking a simple question in a poll.

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eeneR
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[turtlespeed 226]

I might disagree - but I'm not quite sure.

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[masterrig 1]

With child sex ofenders, there is no 'cure'. A few years ago, child sex offenders in several prisons across this country were asked what they would do, upon release from prison. The majority response was "...find a kid!" There are so many folks in this country who feel the prison system works. Personally, I do not want a child sex offender in my neighborhood or any other neighborhood, for that matter.


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[Frenchy68 0]

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Let me ask this....what about the life of hell the victims are stuck with? did they ask for it? was this something that the deserved NO...so then why should the offender get to live on with everyting forgiving them and letting them go on...??? hrrm??

Very good point. Being sexually molested will screw up someone for life. However, if someone is deemed to have purge his/her time and debt to society, then that person should be left alone.
I would suggest keeping the offenders in jail much, much longer. Rape should get life.

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[ladyskydiver 0]

Before putting the offender in prison, let it be known in general population that the individual molested a child and then allow the general population to "welcome" the offender. Then we wouldn't have to worry about once they get out.

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[PhreeZone 20]

Repeat conviction rates are somewhere between 13 and 35% over a 15 year basis for most sex offenders. Violent and property crime repeat offenders have a repeat rate upwards of 65%. A buglar is about twice as likely to repeat as a sex offender is.

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[Vallerina 2]

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I do not see anywhere in my post where I said I was going to infringe on anyone rights or break any laws.

Over my dead body implies that you will go beyond the law.

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what about the life of hell the victims are stuck with? did they ask for it?

This is why we have a judicial system. No matter how screwed up it is, it is up to them to determine the proper punishment for criminals. It is not up to an individual to punish criminals for the victims.

There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning

[AndyMan 7]

They have to live somewhere. NIMBY is a weak argument, no matter what the issue.

Short of locking them for the rest of their lives (that doesn't seem fair to the families of murder victims), they have to live somewhere.

For the record, I didn't vote because of the shitty choice in poll options. The poll is clearly a leading question. "Have you stopped abusing your kids, yet?"

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[eeneR 3]

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Over my dead body implies that you will go beyond the law.

Well you see...people can move...no where did I say "im going to harrass, attack etc" I just made that is there is a no way in hell that i would live in a neighborhood with a sex offender that I knew of. You assumed I ment break a law. There are completely legal ways of making someone not feel comfortable somewhere and move on. Playing nice nice and two face someone isnt one of them, though most of society is damn good at that.

Simply egoring someone, not making them feel at home...there is NOTHING Illegal about that. and like I mentioned before NOT a single person is giving the god given right to people trust ect.

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This is why we have a judicial system. No matter how screwed up it is, it is up to them to determine the proper punishment for criminals. It is not up to an individual to punish criminals for the victims.

Im going to repeat myself again since you dont seem to get it. Im refering to how you treat someone, not actually harrassing them...you keep seeing that, and that is not the case here or at least not what im refering to.

So I gather it is ok to treat you like shit...and you will just let it continue on??? its ok the law will deal with it, and i will still befreind these people??? Hey lets be an asshole to everyone, they just have to forgive me and still be my friend....woohoo!

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eeneR
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[tigra 0]

I have no children. Still, I certainly don't want sex offenders or other criminals in my neighborhood, but I have very little choice in the matter. At least those offenders who have been caught convicted and have served their time are required to register and in fact there is some kind of system in place (imperfect to be sure) to prevent them from repeating their crimes. Personally, I'm a lot more worried about the ones who haven't been caught yet- no one knows where they are and no one is watching them!

Its a tough world to raise kids in!

[eeneR 3]

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They have to live somewhere. NIMBY is a weak argument, no matter what the issue.

Short of locking them for the rest of their lives (that doesn't seem fair to the families of murder victims), they have to live somewhere.

For the record, I didn't vote because of the shitty choice in poll options. The poll is clearly a leading question. "Have you stopped abusing your kids, yet?"

_Am

What the fuck are you talking about andy???? it was a simple question on how you feel about having a sex offencer in your neighborhood or not??? People with kids tend to be a bit more sensitive to that shit that is all...god

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eeneR
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[turtlespeed 226]

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I do not see anywhere in my post where I said I was going to infringe on anyone rights or break any laws.

Over my dead body implies that you will go beyond the law.

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what about the life of hell the victims are stuck with? did they ask for it?

This is why we have a judicial system. No matter how screwed up it is, it is up to them to determine the proper punishment for criminals. It is not up to an individual to punish criminals for the victims.

And some would say that defence of the guilty "Implies" guilt.

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[sum1mom 0]

On that note, and relating to the other thread, I feel that some of the repeat offenders do not get caught because their victims are dead.

My kids were well informed. I couldn't protect them from everything, but I did what I could to help them stay away from a potentially dangerous situation..

It's not "shunning." Sheesh...I've raised my kids against damned near all prejudice - I just have zero tolerance with violent sex crimes, especially against children.

That's just me - and doesn't make me a bad mother either.

[Vallerina 2]

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You assumed I ment break a law.

It's not that far of a leap since there is another thread talking about this topic.

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just made that is there is a no way in hell that i would live in a neighborhood with a sex offender that I knew of.

There is a slim chance you will ever be able to live somewhere in America where there isn't a sex offender.

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1 in 12 male students surveyed had committed acts that met the legal definition of rape.

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So I gather it is ok to treat you like shit...and you will just let it continue on???

Sorry, but my leap of assumptions was much shorter than yours. No, instead of worrying about who's in your neighborhood, do something productive in preventing sexual harassment.

There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning

[peregrinerose 0]

This is poorly phrased. No one WANTS sex offenders in their neighborhood. Ideally sex offenders would not exist in society.

There is a difference between forgiving sex offenders and actively harrassing sex offenders.

Forgiveness is not our business, forgiveness can only be given by the victim of the abuser.

Harassment is a crime. How is unethical/illegal behavior on our part justified by another persons' crime ?

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[Vallerina 2]

Well said

There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning

[turtlespeed 226]

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How is unethical/illegal behavior on our part justified by another persons' crime ?

When it saves the life of your child?

just a guess.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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[Dougiefresh 0]

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Repeat conviction rates are somewhere between 13 and 35% over a 15 year basis for most sex offenders. Violent and property crime repeat offenders have a repeat rate upwards of 65%. A buglar is about twice as likely to repeat as a sex offender is.

All those stats indicate is that sex offenders don't get caught and convicted as much. They might be still doing it.

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[PhreeZone 20]

Umm... if a person ends up dead there is usually a reason for it. If its murder then the person will be convicted for that if they are caught.

I like how if you defend someone you must be guilty also. Most laywers are guilty then. Next time you get a lawyer to get you out of a speeding ticket or DUI make their insurance go up and have them lose their licence just because they defend to too right?

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[eeneR 3]

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This is poorly phrased. No one WANTS sex offenders in their neighborhood. Ideally sex offenders would not exist in society.

There is a difference between forgiving sex offenders and actively harrassing sex offenders.

Forgiveness is not our business, forgiveness can only be given by the victim of the abuser.

Harassment is a crime. How is unethical/illegal behavior on our part justified by another persons' crime ?

Again, I didnt refer to harrassing them...just made the statement of level of tolerance. the last one stating that you would do everything in your power to not live in that area.

I by no means condone violance..this was assumed and placed as my view when it is not true. So for the last time this has nothing what so ever to do with attacking the offender.

You can how ever make choices one what behaviours you allow in your life circle. That is the choice here, not if you should lynch them or not.

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eeneR
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[PhreeZone 20]

Read the other thread about this started by Acme. There are lots of stats there that I posted along with links to many federal websites showing the vast majority of sex crimes are never reported so the person you should really be worried about is'nt the conviceted offener... but someone who has never arrested for it yet.

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And tomorrow is a mystery

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[ladyskydiver 0]

Andy....would you, please, explain where you got the "Have you stopped abusing your kids, yet?" question out of the poll options?

Let me put it to you this way:

Poll selection 1 - you're ok with a molestor living in your neighborhood because "they've served their time."

Poll selection 2 - you're uncomfortable about it - i.e. don't like it but there's nothing you can do to change it.

Poll selection 3 - if it was up to you, there's no way in hell a molestor would be in your neighborhood



And, please note people, none of these options are saying you going to do something to get them out of your neighborhood.

Life is short! Break the rules! Forgive quickly! Kiss slowly! Love truly, Laugh uncontrollably. And never regret anything that made you smile.