Duckwater 0 #1 March 20, 2005 This might be a repost but... Damn... http://www.airviolence.com/request.php?146 I love how they call it a "Malfunction"..... -- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BRYANGOESBOOM 0 #2 March 20, 2005 yeah its a repost and the max x guys are idiots Not only will you look better, feel better, and fuck better; you'll have significantly increased your life expectancy. --Douva Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyangel2 2 #3 March 20, 2005 They called it a malfunction cause Scott's brain malfunctioned and he pulled the cut away.May your trails be crooked, winding, lonesome, dangerous, leading to the most amazing view. May your mountains rise into and above the clouds. - Edward Abbey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BRYANGOESBOOM 0 #4 March 20, 2005 what brain??? Not only will you look better, feel better, and fuck better; you'll have significantly increased your life expectancy. --Douva Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Travman 6 #5 March 20, 2005 Although the guy was an idiot etc... Why wasn't the student rig fitted with an RSL? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Duckwater 0 #6 March 20, 2005 Damn....I never thought about RSL......Good Point.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ACMESkydiver 0 #7 March 20, 2005 Damn you know a guy in my aviation class was sooo excited to tell me about this terrible malfunction where a student tried to pull his 'chute out and it just disappeared! It fell off!!! I told him the yoink prolly pulled his cutaway handle at deploy. He then said "But then he went down in POWER LINES!!!" I told him he should have seen that and moved himself in a direction not towards the high voltage cables strung out in that particular area. "Skydiving's real dangerous, huh?" he says. "Only if you act stupid," I said. Sheesh.~Jaye Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #8 March 20, 2005 QuoteAlthough the guy was an idiot etc... Why wasn't the student rig fitted with an RSL? It was. It failed.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
andybr6 0 #9 March 20, 2005 Quote"Skydiving's real dangerous, huh?" he says. "Only if you act stupid," I said. Sheesh. I think for someone that stupid just getting out of bed in the morning is dangerous. Talk about a sell out as well. If you believed the guys interview you could be forgiven for thinking that he did not put a foot [or hand wrong]!!! I think we can ear mark him as a future 'Darwin Award' [edit for spelling] ------------------------------------------------ "All men can fly, but sadly, only in one direction" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sfzombie13 324 #10 March 20, 2005 it looked like the instructor put scott's hand on the cutaway. then the instructor pulled his pilot chute out after he pulled the cutaway. is it just me, or did this really happen that way?_________________________________________ Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #11 March 20, 2005 Quoteit looked like the instructor put scott's hand on the cutaway. then the instructor pulled his pilot chute out after he pulled the cutaway. is it just me, or did this really happen that way? I see it the other way round: The student placed his hand (surely w/o really knowing what his hand was doing) on the cutaway, the instructor removed it from there and tried to bend it backwards to pull position. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #12 March 20, 2005 Knowing and talking to that instructor as I have, he did a good job of trying to stop the student from pulling the cutaway. After the student did so, he deployed themain and humg on through deployment. As you can see the deployment of the main stood the student upright (because of the RSL) and pulled him out of the instructor's grasp. Only at that point did the RSL fail, thus putting the student into freefall again. The reserve side jumpmaster left at the apropriate time, and couldn't have know to deploy the reserve as he was not aware of the cutaway handle being pulled. After the student went back into freefal, they obviously forgot everything they had been taught about stability. The instructor that followed him took it below the hard deck indicating to the student a reserve deployment was nessasary. Then the asshat of a student made it even worse by hitting the only object for a mile. IMHO the only "mistake" made was not "loosing" the video, or declaring a "camera malfunction".---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
likvidskaj 0 #13 March 20, 2005 A fantastic and a rare example of The Wrong Stuff with no need for a casket. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bobsled92 0 #14 March 20, 2005 and to make it worse, the jack ass was an Attorney and tried to sue the DZ for his own stupidity_______________________________ If I could be a Super Hero, I chose to be: "GRANT-A-CLAUS". and work 365 days a Year. http://www.hangout.no/speednews/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Superman32 0 #15 March 20, 2005 Quote and to make it worse, the jack ass was an Attorney and tried to sue the DZ for his own stupidity I think that after their attempt the sue the DZ and I's failed, they tried to sue the power company for having placed the lines there Inveniam Viam aut Faciam I'm back biatches! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Duckwater 0 #16 March 20, 2005 JP... Where was this? Mike Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ACMESkydiver 0 #17 March 20, 2005 QuoteIMHO the only "mistake" made was not "loosing" the video, or declaring a "camera malfunction". No shit, huh? Who didn't think of THAT? ~Jaye Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimbarry 0 #18 March 20, 2005 Zackly... First, I slammed on the gas pedal instead of the brake, then I yanked the steering wheel and hit a pole. Driving a car's real dangerous, huh? Practically anything's dangerous if you try (or don't try) hard enough. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sfzombie13 324 #19 March 20, 2005 upon closer examination of the video, i must concur that the instructor tried to stop him from pulling the cutaway. like it matters, he's still an idiot. he's clearly a rider, not a driver. how can you not miss those big tall silver things? even if he couldn't see the wires, they are hard to see, he almost hit the pole._________________________________________ Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ACMESkydiver 0 #20 March 20, 2005 Quotehe's clearly a rider, not a driver. Damn, that statement ROCKS!! I'm gonna use that at the DZ and sound really cool and pretend I made it up myself...~Jaye Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blackdog 0 #21 March 21, 2005 Quoteand to make it worse, the jack ass was an Attorney and tried to sue the DZ for his own stupidity that's what I had thought I heard as well that the a-hat sued after the fact...pure balls what an a-hat. I love how he says," 'I' deployed my chute..." Obviously he heard nothing in ground school about all those 'thingy's' on the rig. Nor did he dive the plan given to him. He should only thank god that his instructor was the best anyone could ask for. Do you think they asked him to leave after this? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bmcd308 0 #22 March 21, 2005 They trained me for all kinds of things that can go wrong - for triangles, and everything. I looked up and it was round so that was good. Or words to that effect. They trained him for triangles? He got better training than I did. ---------------------------------- www.jumpelvis.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
heidihagen 0 #23 March 21, 2005 QuoteDo you think they asked him to leave after this? yes... that guy is a disaster! he was clearly fighting the instructors hand away from the pc while reaching for the cutaway pillow. he had just been through a class with hanging harnesses and everything... but you wouldn't know it by his jackass interview. "there can be tangles but i don't think they ever trained me what to do if the chute just disappeared" c'mooooooonnnn!!!!!!!! how he managed to hit the powerlines is beyond me... i'm surprised the videographer could see that far. if he sued, it sounds like he just wanted a way to pay off law school. wait, how the hell did he pass the bar!?i didn't lose my mind, i sold it on ebay. .:need a container to fit 5'4", 110 lb. cypres ready & able to fit a 170 main (or slightly smaller):.[/ce Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brian425 0 #24 March 21, 2005 The only thing I learned in this is that there are AFF instructors who will risk there life to save us. That instructor went well beyond what anyone could ask to save that jackass. It seems clear to me that the instructor went to take his hand off the cutaway handle. He still got ahold of it. Then he chases him WAY down to try to save him. Hats off to the instructor. The only time you should look down on someone is when you are offering them your hand. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skylord 1 #25 March 21, 2005 QuoteThe only thing I learned in this is that there are AFF instructors who will risk there (sic) life to save us. That instructor went well beyond what anyone could ask to save that jackass. It seems clear to me that the instructor went to take his hand off the cutaway handle. He still got ahold of it. Then he chases him WAY down to try to save him. Hats off to the instructor. I agree, this has already been bounced around a couple times on this forum. The instructor looks like he puts a half nelson wrestling hold on Lutz' attempt to pull the cut away handle. The characterization that his instructors watch him go bye-bye is tabloid journalism. The main side was doing all sorts of gymnastics to catch up with someone who I thought was just a panicked student until the lawsuit hit. Then it was an instructor trying to save a free fall well trained dick head. Let me speak with authority on one side of this, since I am brand new. I always knew down deep inside, that I may have to pull my own handle(s) from my AFF-1 jump on. My instructors taught me that as well. I am lucky to have people like Shark from Elsinore, who always drilled that into my head. Nevertheless, I knew I had two people hanging on to me who would not let anything bad happen to me if they could help it. However, I knew I could screw things up bad enough that I would be on my own. Shark (my AFF main side JM) had to guide my hand to the PC handle, since I kept grabbing his left hand mounted altimeter. He guided my hand to the handle and we pulled jointly. Now he is suing me for half my assets since he thinks that qualifies "us" for community property. All kidding aside, my AFF-1 jump was one I did where I rationalized my instructors would keep me safe no matter what. Ron wrote a very good reply to that, but I will admit I got out the first time with my initial thoughts in mind. That said, I have not "lutzed" a jump to date. Repeated a level, yes, but never panicked to the point I grabbed a random handle and made innocent people chase me to save my life and then sued them. This was hopefully a one time thing, and I believe the Lutz lawsuit was thrown out. BobBob Marks "-when you leave the airplane its all wrong til it goes right, its a whole different mindset, this is why you have system redundancy." Mattaman Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
