Heres a hypothetical for ya....

[Jeth 0]

Ok, so lets say you're in a commercial airliner. Its going down. The captain has told everyone to assume crash positions. You have your rig with you in the cabin. The plane is at about 15,000 ft.

Do you grab your gear and head for the door? Yes, yes, I know that they probably wouldn't open the door for you. But lets just say they might. I mean, the plane is about to crash, I'd be like "get the hell outta my way!!" Would you try to argue with the flight attendants or pilot to let you out??

Of course, the other passengers might not appreciate the loss of cabin pressure, but thats their problem.

"At 13,000 feet nothing else matters."
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[pop 0]

at 15 grand....change in pressure wouldnt make any differnce

7 ounce wonders, music and dogs that are not into beer

[Ncrowe 0]

If I thought I could get out absolutley!!! As long as we were'nt flying over the middle of the ocean and even then maybe 1 last freefall would be nice.....the thing is when planes crash especially really big pressurized ones they don't do so in a very controlled manner and getting out would probably be impossible.

"Don't Mess Around With the Guy in Shades- Oh No!!! "

[SkyDekker 1,465]

uhmmm, not many commercial p[lanes around where you would be able to get out safely.

[blackdog 0]

that's the whole reason I carry my rig on with me

[pilotdave 0]

There's no way you'd get out the door. I think it'd really suck to have your rig on a commercial flight and need it, cause you're screwed no matter what.

Dave

[markd_nscr986 0]

***uhmmm, not many commercial p[lanes around where you would be able to get out safely.



Yeah.........

"DB Cooper" kind of ruined it for us

Marc SCR 6046 SCS 3004

[Jeth 0]

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There's no way you'd get out the door. I think it'd really suck to have your rig on a commercial flight and need it, cause you're screwed no matter what.

Dave

Ok, why can't I get out the door? Is it cuz I'd be sucked into the jet? What about the emergency exit over the wing??

"At 13,000 feet nothing else matters."
PFRX!!!!!
Team Funnel #174, Sunshine kisspass #109
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[shropshire 0]

who y'gonna ask for a pin check

(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[Jeth 0]

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who y'gonna ask for a pin check

I think if i was going down in an airliner, I would rather take my chances with my rig than sit there. (But I would look at it before I put it on. Ok, maybe not... if we're going down and I have like 1 second to get out the door, I probably wouldn't. Just have to take my chances, I guess.)

"At 13,000 feet nothing else matters."
PFRX!!!!!
Team Funnel #174, Sunshine kisspass #109
My Jump Site

[kelel01 1]

I would just put it on and wait for the plane to break apart. If it doesn't, well, then . . . I guess I'd be fucked.

[AndyMan 7]

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Ok, why can't I get out the door? Is it cuz I'd be sucked into the jet? What about the emergency exit over the wing??

Well, I suppose that's possible, but more importantly think about the air pressure.

Low pressure outside, high pressure inside. Most commercial airplane doors that I've looked at simply can not open when there's a big pressure difference. The doors physically have to move into the cabin before they'll open. You can't do that with the pressure difference.

Even if you did manage to get the door open, you'd be jumping out a side door into a 350+mph wind, which is undoubtedly going to cause you to impact part of the airplane, either the wing, the fusellage itself, or the tail mounted engines. The exit itself would be incredibly risky.

Beside, the question is largely moot. Airplanes generally don't just fall out of the sky. Even the most serious mechanical issues usually result in a perfectly landable airplane, and have a perfectly good runway within range.

The only time I would even consider it would be if there had been enough structural damage to the airplane itself that a: I didn't need to open the door, and b: it was obvious that nobody would not survive the landing. Fortunately, those situations are rare.

_Am

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[wmw999 2,587]

You'd be trying to open the door (which has all kinds of safety mechanisms to prevent its being opened in flight) against the wind.

I saw someone climb out of a Cessna 172 (I think) with a regular door to make a jump. It took a long time and a lot of pushing.

Remember the airplane's continuing to go down the whole time, a whole lot faster than 90 mph (or whatever the Cessna was going at).

Use the rig to prop yourself into a smaller space to absorb more shock; it's softer than the seat back in front of you.

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[Buried 0]

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who y'gonna ask for a pin check

and dont forget to remove any ties on your reserve handle !

Where is my fizzy-lifting drink?

[pilotdave 0]

Well, I don't know exactly how they work, but I don't THINK any of the doors will open in flight. I'm sure there's a way... but the idea that a passenger COULD open a door in flight scares me.

But regardless... if the doors can open, and all the passengers are all panicked as the plane is going down, you're gonna get tackled and beaten if you go start screwing with a door.

At 15,000 feet, I think the pressurization would stop you from getting a door open, but then again if you really feel the need to jump out, I'd guess the plane isn't pressurized anymore.

I say go sit on the black box... safest spot in the plane, right??

Dave

[shropshire 0]

Aye, and ask the pilot for a cut

(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[Jeth 0]

Ok, you guys just spoiled the fantasy I had goin on there.

But I do see your point about the pressure. But a plane could just fall out of the sky if it ran out of gas. But I think I'll just sit back and hope that I don't have to test the pressure theory.

"At 13,000 feet nothing else matters."
PFRX!!!!!
Team Funnel #174, Sunshine kisspass #109
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[AndyMan 7]

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But a plane could just fall out of the sky if it ran out of gas.

Planes do not fall out of the sky when they run out of gas. They've still got wings, after all.

http://www.wadenelson.com/gimli.html Boeing 767, now known as the "Gimli Glider"

http://cbc.ca/cgi-bin/templates/view.cgi?/news/2001/08/24/airtransat_010824 Airbus A330 lands at The Azores, a tiny resort island off the coast of portugal.

_Am

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You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead.

[pilotdave 0]

I'll have to find the report... just recently (last year?) an airliner ran out of gas over the ocean and glided a couple hundred miles to a safe landing.

There was a leak in one tank. The pilots noticed a fuel imbalance, so they started transfering fuel from the other side into the leaking tank. By the time they realized what they were doing, they had transferred too much to complete the trip.

Planes don't fall out of the sky when they run out of gas...even big ones.

Edit: yeah, what he said.

Dave

[AggieDave 6]

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a tiny resort island off the coast of portugal.

More then one island and not just resorts either, it used to be a major way point for sea going vessels and still houses a major USAF facility.

I lived there when I was a very small child.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[Beerlight 0]

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I'll have to find the report... just recently (last year?) an airliner ran out of gas over the ocean and glided a couple hundred miles to a safe landing.

Air Canada flight? Put down Azores......?

[AndyMan 7]

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Air Canada flight? Put down Azores......?

Air Canada was the Gimli Glider, a B767.

Air Transat was the Azores, an A330.

Clickies located a few posts up.

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[Jeth 0]

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I'll have to find the report... just recently (last year?) an airliner ran out of gas over the ocean and glided a couple hundred miles to a safe landing.

There was a leak in one tank. The pilots noticed a fuel imbalance, so they started transfering fuel from the other side into the leaking tank. By the time they realized what they were doing, they had transferred too much to complete the trip.

Planes don't fall out of the sky when they run out of gas...even big ones.

Edit: yeah, what he said.

Dave

Ok, but wouldn't the captain announce and plan for an emergency landing if he did run out of gas? And, there have been planes that crashed before, so even if it can glide on its wings, it doesn't always happen that way.
My Dad's plane crashed when he was flying because the wings iced up and then the engine stalled. He was trying to glide it in and land on a freeway, but instead he couldn't clear the mountain, clipped a bunch of trees and sheared the wings off. That was a very bad landing. I definitely would've rather jumped out of that than been in there with him.

"At 13,000 feet nothing else matters."
PFRX!!!!!
Team Funnel #174, Sunshine kisspass #109
My Jump Site

[chuckbrown 0]

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But regardless... if the doors can open, and all the passengers are all panicked as the plane is going down, you're gonna get tackled and beaten if you go start screwing with a door.

I'm pretty sure you're gonna get beaten by people wanting the rig for themselves. Even if they have no concept of how it works.

[unformed 0]

that was a badass story ... thanks for the link!

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