AndyMan 7 #26 March 28, 2005 QuoteOk, but wouldn't the captain announce and plan for an emergency landing if he did run out of gas? They generally do, yes. If you were to try to bail on a commercial plane that was running out of fuel, keep in mind that you could end up being criminally charged with contributing to the crash, or endangering the public. That might not be such a bad thing if the plane did crash, but it would suck pretty badly if that plane ended up landing normally - like most do. QuoteAnd, there have been planes that crashed before, so even if it can glide on its wings, it doesn't always happen that way. There have been 4 total - commercial jetliners that crashed from fuel starvation. 2 landed safe, 2 crashed. The first, a United DC-8 in 1978 near Portland, the NTSB remarked: "CRW MEMBERS FAILED TO CONVEY CONCERN ABOUT FUEL EXH TO PIC UNTIL ACDNT WAS INEVITABLE.". Only 10 fatalities. The second, the Air Canada 767, landed safe. The third, an Columbian Avianca 707 crashed near JFK, read about it here: http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20001212X22401&key=1. Of the 158 passengers, only 73 were fatally injured. The fourth, the A330 that landed safe in the Azores. So, in all of modern aviation, a commercial airline has only run out of fuel 4 times. That's not a lot. 2 of them landed without any injuries. 2 crashed, and in both cases a majority of passengers walked away. Again, if I'll point out that if you had been on any of these planes, and had done anything to try to bail out, you would have been arrested and probably gotten a few years in jail. You probably would have ended up feeling pretty foolish, because even if you'd stayed in your seats and done nothing at all, you probably would have walked away. QuoteMy Dad's plane crashed when he was flying because the wings iced up and then the engine stalled. Your dad flies commercial aviation? Commercial avation and general aviation are two very different things. I'm with you - I wouldn't hesitate to bail out of a private plane the minute it shows mechanical issues after talking things over with the pilot. That's very different than with a commercial plane, though. QuoteHe was trying to glide it in and land on a freeway, but instead he couldn't clear the mountain, clipped a bunch of trees and sheared the wings off. That was a very bad landing. I disagree. In General aviation, any landing that the pilot can walk (or crawl) away from, is "not so bad". _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #27 March 28, 2005 I'd put it on, announce it's a tandem rig, and offer the hottest chick on the flight the passenger slot in exchange for a quickie. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lifewithoutanet 0 #28 March 28, 2005 As of late, the only rigs I travel with would have me violating FAR Part 105.43 if I exited the plane. -C. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyMan 7 #29 March 28, 2005 Quote that was a badass story ... thanks for the link! I agree. The Gimli Glider story is truly spectacular. C-GAUM is still operating wtih Air Canada. http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?regsearch=C-GAUN&distinct_entry=true I wish I could find a good review of the Air Transat incident, it seems to be equally compelling. C-GITS is still operating with Air Transat. http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?regsearch=C-GITS&distinct_entry=true _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jeth 0 #30 March 28, 2005 Quote I disagree. In General aviation, any landing that the pilot can walk (or crawl) away from, is "not so bad". _Am Ok, thats basically true. Whenever I biff my landings, I just recite "Hey, my Dad says any landing U walk away from is a good landing!" But in his case, he crawled away, barely, and nearly died. So I would have to say that one was pretty bad. But I do see your point about commercial aviation versus a private plane. I generally feel pretty safe on an airliner, which I am on quite frequently. But since we're on the subject, what about other crashes? If there have only been 4 due to loss of fuel, are all the other ones terrorist attacks? Haven't there been any that were engine failure or pilot failure or bad weather or something else?"At 13,000 feet nothing else matters." PFRX!!!!! Team Funnel #174, Sunshine kisspass #109 My Jump Site Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #31 March 28, 2005 QuoteI saw someone climb out of a Cessna 172 (I think) with a regular door to make a jump. It took a long time and a lot of pushing. Done that, and it ain't easy... But what about those emergency exit doors on commercial planes that open to the inside? I make a point of getting seating in the emergency exit aisle, for the extra leg room. But if a wing was to fall off, I might grab my rig out of the overhead, and go for that door... For a problem where the pilots seem to have control, I'll take my chances with them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
leroydb 0 #32 March 28, 2005 QuoteAs of late, the only rigs I travel with would have me violating FAR Part 105.43 if I exited the plane. -C. hope it is a pin rig and not velcroLeroy ..I knew I was an unwanted baby when I saw my bath toys were a toaster and a radio... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Beerlight 0 #33 March 28, 2005 QuoteQuoteAir Canada flight? Put down Azores......? Air Canada was the Gimli Glider, a B767. Air Transat was the Azores, an A330. Clickies located a few posts up. _Am Ok, both Canadian flights...... what up wif that?!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
