idodsick 0 #1 March 2, 2009 i have already ordered a new pair of vse risers but am wondering if these are still good. i purchased a rig with older style velcro toggles and the seller threw these in with the purchase. i only put about sixty jumps on these before i had a malfuntion that ruined my main. these sat while i was demoing gear so i never really noticed the problem until i went to attach my new main this weekend. is this a big problem and what could have caused this. it looks to me that the grommet was improperly seated. also the stitching that holds the hard housing to the riser webbing was coming loose. the latter didnt worry me all that much as this an easy fix for my rigger. http://s63.photobucket.com/albums/h127/elysium2282/riser/?action=view¤t=100_2301.jpgthe diamond can not be polished without friction, nor a man perfected without trials. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydivebb 0 #2 March 2, 2009 Hard to really see what the problem is there, but I personally would not use a set of type 17 mini risers that had a problem like the one you have a picture of.Facebook.com/SeamlessRigging Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idodsick 0 #3 March 3, 2009 yeah the pictures were hard to keep in focus once i got really close. i think that you can tell that there is about 1/8 inch of frayed webbing sticking above the backside of the grommet. i am interested in what would cause the webbing to fray like that with so little use? has this been seen by other riggers? is it common with certain brands of risers?the diamond can not be polished without friction, nor a man perfected without trials. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyMan 7 #4 March 3, 2009 I've see more than a few risers with this type of damage lately. A bit of fraying is OK, but it looks like you've got a lot more than I would be comfortable with. I would not use those risers. The cause of the fraying is the grommet wasn't set as tightly as it should have been the risers were manufactured. The stitching holding the hard housing is easily fixed, but not much point given the damage at the grommet. _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idodsick 0 #5 March 3, 2009 i think i need to get my riggers ticket to understand how these are made. is the male side of the grommet beat threw the webbing and then crimped with the female end. this leads me to ask if this is the case isnt there a better way?the diamond can not be polished without friction, nor a man perfected without trials. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyMan 7 #6 March 3, 2009 They punch a hole in the webbing, then insert the male end in and crimp it against the female end using a custom die. As long as the punch went smoothly, and the grommet is well seated it works. If the punch-hole was frayed, that fray will work itself out over time - especially if the crimp is not as tight as it should be. It's possible a rigger may be able to repair that riser by installing a new grommet. It'd be worth a shot as a lot of manufacturers are charging a fortune for risers. It may be that the damage is too extensive for a repair though, it's hard to see in the blurry photos. _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerpaul 1 #7 March 3, 2009 Isn't this a SS spur grommet? My understanding is that it takes a press to set a SS grommet. If the webbing is working out of the grommet, I would also expect a problem with the spurs. (Spur grommets have little teeth inside that are supposed to grab the edges of the material in which the grommet is set.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 37 #8 March 3, 2009 You can and I do set SS spur gromments with a hand set. It's just a much more expensive hand set than the ones for Brass or nickel plated brass spur gromments. See Paragear for the two different hand sets.I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerpaul 1 #9 March 3, 2009 QuoteYou can and I do set SS spur gromments with a hand set. It's just a much more expensive hand set than the ones for Brass or nickel plated brass spur gromments. See Paragear for the two different hand sets. I stand corrected. Thanks for pointing this out. And yes, those are some expensive tools! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 37 #10 March 3, 2009 And you need a bigger hammer!Just kidding. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #11 March 5, 2009 A Senior Rigger rating will not teach you how to build 3-Ring risers, because that is Master Rigger turf. However, a you what a good 3-Ring riser looks like in terms of ring spacing, loop length, etc. Mind you, information on how to inspect 3-Ring risers is also available on the UPT website, Australian Parachute Federation website, etc. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #12 March 5, 2009 It is common for stitching holding the hard housing to pull loose. Just ask your friendly neighborhood Senior Rigger to re-sew it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #13 March 5, 2009 ... difficult to see in your photograph, but I get the impression that the rear riser is pulling out of the grommet. ... a common wear point. The prevent this, better manufacturers hot cut grommet holes, then bar-tack across the top edge of the hole. ,This requires a specialized hot knife with a nifty tubular cutting edge. They complete the job by tight-setting the grommet, which is an easy task with hand tools and a keen eye. The best grommet-setting dies roll the rim to create a smooth edge that does not fray white loops. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 37 #14 March 5, 2009 Rob, Are hand sets availabe that create the inner rolled rim? My Stimpson SS set doesn't. I've kind of figured that it took a hydrolic or pnumatic machine to do it.I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RiggerLee 62 #15 March 16, 2009 Yes there isa hand set for ss that puts a tight roll on the edge. A riser is about as thich as you can go the long shanks are just barely long enough and you have to use a heavy hammer to get enough compression to really roll it. Does any one know of a slightly longer grommet then he ss #0 from Loid and hodges? LeeLee lee@velocitysportswear.com www.velocitysportswear.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 37 #16 March 16, 2009 What's the source of that handset? And what is it called? I've got the bigger hammer. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RiggerLee 62 #17 March 16, 2009 It's from Stimpson. It's the one for SS not brass. You must have the brass one. The diffrence is in the top half, the hand part not the base, It's marked #0 SPUR SS. I think I got mine from Loid and Hodges but it might have come from Fassener Supply. LeeLee lee@velocitysportswear.com www.velocitysportswear.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 37 #18 March 16, 2009 I have the SS spur gromment #0 set. I'll contact you to see if we are talking about the same thing.I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
