Main and Reserve ranges in Containers

[Atmonauti 0]

Hello,

Sorry to bother you all.

This is my first post in the dz.com forum. Been using this site since 1997 though.

Was told I might be able to pose a question to you all.

In the hopes someone has any input/experience with the items in question.

I am looking for a Rig and have some options for exactly what im looking for.

Except for one fact.

I want to stay around the 170, pdr176 reserve but have the option to go down to a 150 main maybe even slightly smaller.

I have options for getting a J4K but sunpath does not condone any smaller then a 170 main in it.

There is also an option for a J3K but that would mean going to a 160 reserve.

I am 200lbs and would really prefer a 170ish min reserve.

The time I have been in the sport I have never been big into swooping and the like. I get all my kicks in the air.

The person that owns the j4k container for sale, his rigger mentioned to him you could easily put a 150 in it.

This will be my last rig and will have all bells and whistles freefly options, wingsuit laterial cut ins for flat main pouch deployment and the like.

I would be happy with a rig that would give me the option to hold a pd176r and yet still safely hold a 150 main.

Sorry again to bother the masses :(

There is a difference between living and being alive.

[billvon 3,116]

>There is also an option for a J3K but that would mean going to a 160 reserve.

Get a J3K and an Optimum 176.

[Atmonauti 0]

I guess thats my question. The recomendations by sunpath about max and min main and res. sizes in containers.

I guess I wonder how hard and fast they are. Have people squeezed a 176 into a j3k when it says on the website that a 160 reserve would be the biggest it would take.

http://www.sunpath.com/sizchart.htm

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[billvon 3,116]

> Have people squeezed a 176 into a j3k when it says on the website
>that a 160 reserve would be the biggest it would take.

Well, the website is talking about a PD176R. I'm talking about an Optimum 176, which packs smaller than a PD176R.

[tonyv 0]

A quick phone call to Sunpath would likely clear this issue up and fetch a more educated response.

We (Velocity Sports Equipment) have not yet had our hands on the larger size Optimum reserves (they are in transit). Based on the Optimum 143 and smaller, I can tell you this:

As far as the Infinity Harness/Container system is concerned, a PD Optimum 143 packs up somewhere between a PD Reserve 113 and PD Reserve 126 and fits nicely into a container built for either.

Any hard and fast rule will be written individually by each container manufacturer. All of the manufacturers reserve containers will have a different volume, even if they accept similar sized canopies. Some manufacturers say the Optimum packs 1 size smaller, while some say 2 sizes.

-Tony
(253) 445-8790
Velocity Sports Equipment

[Atmonauti 0]

Thanks for the help folks!

So I guess another question is are there any options out there for other rigs that have the option currently to have a 176 reserve but get down as low as a 150 main?

Thanks!

There is a difference between living and being alive.

[tonyv 0]

I feel like I'm hijacking your thread here, but as an employee of a gear manufacturer, it's always the goal to promote our product. It's not my intent to spam your thread with advertisements or offer an opinion where it's not asked for, but to offer up alternative solutions to explore.

Velocity Sports Equipment makes an Infinity size I-43 that holds a PDR 160 or 176 reserve canopy. The main container is designed to hold a 150 sq ft 9 cell Sabre2 or variant and can easily downsize to a 135.

You can check it out here:
http://www.velocityrigs.com/products.php?product=infinity

If you have any questions, sizing or otherwise, about the Infinity, feel free to give me a call.

-Tony
(253) 445-8790
Velocity Sports Equipment

[LouDiamond 1]

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Thanks for the help folks!

So I guess another question is are there any options out there for other rigs that have the option currently to have a 176 reserve but get down as low as a 150 main?

Thanks!

Yes, Jump Shack will build you a container to fit the canopy sizes you specify to them, within reason.

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[chutingstar 1]

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Thanks for the help folks!

So I guess another question is are there any options out there for other rigs that have the option currently to have a 176 reserve but get down as low as a 150 main?

Thanks!

Yes, that's not that big of a difference. And using an Optimum would make it even easier. But, you could get any of these containers to match those sizes:

Infinity
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Mike

ChutingStar.com

[Unstable 9]

I second Lou. JS Just built me pretty mis-matched rig (200 Reserve, 300 main) for my accuracy rig. Looks kinda goofy but it does the job!!!

=========Shaun ==========

[SethInMI 174]

Well, I have Javelin J3 with a PD176R. I bought it 2nd hand 3 years ago, and it has had that reserve in it since it was built in 1998.

If it is a bad idea, I would like to know. It was repacked at the factory last spring with no comment.

Seth

It's flare not flair, brakes not breaks, bridle not bridal, "could NOT care less" not "could care less".

[Atmonauti 0]

thanks guys!!! so awesome to have the input!!

cant really fork out the dough for a new rig though... so just been looking around at used.

kinda thinking about a j4k that is for sale it has a pd176r in it and a 170 main.

But im wondering if anyone has had a 150 in a j4k container? the owner's rigger mentioned "it could take a 150 easy"

Though that does go against what sunpath recommend.

I'm kinda torn :(

There is a difference between living and being alive.

[Atmonauti 0]

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Yes, that's not that big of a difference. And using an Optimum would make it even easier. But, you could get any of these containers to match those sizes:

Infinity
Racer
Mirage
Vector
Javelin
Icon
Dolphin
Wings
Talon
Voodoo
Quasar

Mike

I talked to Javelin and they do not have a container they produce that can still take a pd176r but take a 150 or below

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[chutingstar 1]

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Yes, that's not that big of a difference. And using an Optimum would make it even easier. But, you could get any of these containers to match those sizes:

Infinity
Racer
Mirage
Vector
Javelin
Icon
Dolphin
Wings
Talon
Voodoo
Quasar

Mike

I talked to Javelin and they do not have a container they produce that can still take a pd176r but take a 150 or below

It's a tighter fit in the reserve container, but you can fit a PR176 in a J3K and J2K, which both can take a 150 main.

Mike

ChutingStar.com

[Atmonauti 0]

what about the j4k? have any experience with that container about taking a 150 main or smaller safely? even though sunpath does not recommend it

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[likestojump 3]

I have packed a Cobalt 150 and a Crossfire2-149 into a J4K Javelin Odyssey. It was fine, especially with sloppy packing

[Atmonauti 0]

So what is the general consensus. Javelin does not recommend putting any smaller then a 170 main into a j4k.

But people have done it. Anyone see any safety issues with jumping a 150 in a j4k?

it will be the last time i bother you folks on the subject hopefully!!

There is a difference between living and being alive.

[billvon 3,116]

> Anyone see any safety issues with jumping a 150 in a j4k?

The safety issues are:

1) If you cannot get enough tension on the loop to keep the pin firmly in place when you close the rig, you are at risk for premature and out of sequence deployments (very bad)

2) If the rig is so deformed through shortening the closing loop to keep enough tension on the pin that the pin protector cannot close well, you also risk out of sequence deployments.

Foam padding can help with this problem if it's serious.