Self defense? Anyone know

[kansasskydiver 0]

First off I don't want to turn this into a debate but... Here goes

Someone enters your house unwelcome and comes into your room. Do you have the right to draw a weapon and if so, if you were to injur them, would you be held liable for it if it was a case of breaking and entering, you had advised the person many times not to contact you ever again.

Roommate and I are curious is all

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[kelel01 1]

Have you guys filed a complaint with the cops? It might not look as bad if the situation presents itself, if you've already talked to the cops.

[gordy 0]

I can't see why you would need a weapon unless they have one. In the case that you know them then I would ask them politely to leave, then I wouldn't be so polite if they didn't.

In the case that you don't know them, its open season, deal with the consequences afterwards.

[ScubaSteve 0]

they have to find thebody first right?

[Conundrum 1]

+1 on filing something with the Police Dept.

[ryoder 1,590]

There is no simple answer; the law varies from state to state. You need to talk to someone well-versed in the law of your state. Or you can look it up on the Lexis-Nexis web site, if you don't mind spending a lot of time searching and reading.

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[goose491 0]

Meh! Just Kill 'im... then it's history

History as in:

"What's his story?... Oh what's that?... He can't tell it?
I guess we'll just go with yours then."

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[Guest]

hes trolling folks ... this is a continuation of an old thread where he and his roommates are enjoying themselves immensely at the expense of a very young and a little confused girl.
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[kelel01 1]

He's not trolling. And I knew what he was referring to.

Oh, wait, you're nice, so imagine I said that with an upbeat tone.

[kansasskydiver 0]

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+1 on filing something with the Police Dept.

We filed with the police last night and they removed the such person. They refused to leave, were warned about the police, refused to leave with the police here even. Needless to say, it was an interesting night

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[IanHarrop 42]

I'm guessing that IF you are in Texas you can shoot them dead and you will get a meddle!
In other places you can only use as much force as you are threatened with.

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[kansasskydiver 0]

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hes trolling folks ... this is a continuation of an old thread where he and his roommates are enjoying themselves immensely at the expense of a very young and a little confused girl.
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No, not trolling, being dead serious cause she broke into our house, stripped down and crawled into bed with my roommate... That's not a troll, considering we each have a weapon in the room and various throughout the house.

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[RkyMtnHigh 0]

Not sure what the law is in KS, but CO is a "make my day" law state..trespassing my property (not just my physical home), I have the right to pull out a weapon. Case in point: when my husbands' uninvited friends climbed into my hot tub at 1 am..I pulled out the magnum BB gun and shot their asses...and they took all the toilet paper off the trees and house on their way out...that'll teach 'em.

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[kansasskydiver 0]

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In other places you can only use as much force as you are threatened with.

That's what I was worried about...

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[Rainbo 0]

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hes trolling folks ... this is a continuation of an old thread where he and his roommates are enjoying themselves immensely at the expense of a very young and a little confused girl.
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No, not trolling, being dead serious cause she broke into our house, stripped down and crawled into bed with my roommate... That's not a troll, considering we each have a weapon in the room and various throughout the house.

Ok, I'm trying to see the problem with this scenario

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[airtwardo 7]

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the law varies from state to state.

Yup...!
In fact in Texas, the person doesn't even have to be IN the house..or THREATENING to harm you.

You have a right to protect your person & property
with the use of deadly force...in many case.

(not a lot of re-po guys make late night home visits)


But...at the end of the day~
If you life isn't truly in danger...would you take someone else's 'just because it was legal?'



And in agreement to the poster above,
if it does come to that...there should only be ONE
story filed on the report!

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[Guest]

you've had weeks (months?) to get a restraining order against her ... haven't heard any action on that front ... but now that you've posted here, if you injure her physically there's some words you WILL learn about: "premeditation", "conspiracy", "willful", none of them good for you.
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[MarkM 0]

Depends on the context. If someone I never met broke into my locked apartment while I was there they'd get shot.

However if some crazed psycho woman who I had over once or twice before got into my place somehow, even though I didn't want her there I'd just call the police.

It depends entirely on whether or not I feel that my life is in danger.

[Guest]

him and his roommates have had a lot of enjoyment at the girl's expense. That came through loud and clear in the other thread. Me? I'm not that kind of guy.

To answer the question ... it depends on state law ... and how good your lawyer is. I hope they do get a r/o against the girl and involve the police. I'm out.

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[NWFlyer 2]

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No, not trolling, being dead serious cause she broke into our house, stripped down and crawled into bed with my roommate... That's not a troll, considering we each have a weapon in the room and various throughout the house.

This woman needs some serious help, and not from the police. That said, I think continuing to work with law enforcement is your best bet (not that I have a clue about laws on the use of weapons, just seems like a better idea given the circumstances as I understand them).

[lawrocket 3]

Though I don't know Kansas law, I wouldn't think that deadly force is appropriate.

Think about it - were either you or your roommate genuinely fearful of death or great bodily harm? It usually doesn't make sense to use deadly force against an intruder whom you know isn't threatening bodily harm or death.

Hell, from the sounds of it, she couldn't have been hiding a weapon.

You can usually draw your weapon if you do not know the nature of the threat. But once the "threat" is realized to be little more than annoyance, it's just not right to use deadly force, now is it?

Honestly, would you kill her for what she did? If not, then don't use threat of deadly force.

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[kelel01 1]

That's still not a troll.

And I think I, too, would find something like this amusing . . . to a point. In fact, I have. Sometimes you just have to laugh at how crazy people are, because the alternative is not so happy . . . The situation I was in never progressed into what this one has, but when it was just psycho voicemails, I was rather amused. And I'm pretty sure that doesn't make me a bad person.

[ryoder 1,590]

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Not sure what the law is in KS, but CO is a "make my day" law state..trespassing my property (not just my physical home), I have the right to pull out a weapon.

For the simple act of tresspassing, no. See 18-1-704.5, paragraph #2:

http://www.co.jefferson.co.us/ext/dpt/officials/sheriff/ccw/revised_statutes.htm

I took a CCW course a year ago which included a cop as one of the instructors, They were perfectly clear on the point that simple tresspassing does not entitle the use of deadly force.

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[ryoder 1,590]

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No, not trolling, being dead serious cause she broke into our house, stripped down and crawled into bed with my roommate...

Had that happen myself once. An ex-girlfriend decided she wanted to get back together, so she surprised me.

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That's not a troll, considering we each have a weapon in the room and various throughout the house.

Speaking on the legal issue here: If you are considering using a weapon in this situation, you are crazier than she is.

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[Slappie 9]

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I'm guessing that IF you are in Texas you can shoot them dead and you will get a meddle!
In other places you can only use as much force as you are threatened with.

Ya I was going to say move to Texas and you can blow the fucker away... As long as it is your residence, homestead or you have a lease to legaly live on the property. You don't even have to prove they were threatening your life. In some cases they police don't even care if the body is in the house. As long as it's on the property and you were scared of bodily injury.

God I love this state!!

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