Jayruss 0 #101 March 20, 2005 I have to agree, I have a friend. He was 19 at the time the other guy was 17 they got caught fooling around in a car by the cops. Now my friend has to update his sex offender status every year. He served his probation yet will always be required to register. __________________________________________________ "Beware how you take away hope from another human being." -Oliver Wendell Holmes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyangel2 2 #102 March 20, 2005 Damn, this makes me mad QuoteCitrus County Sheriff Jeff Dawsy (search) said Jessica's body was found during an overnight search near a mobile home close to the house where she lived with her father and grandparents. A registered sex offender confessed Friday to the kidnapping and killing and told authorities where to look for the missing girl.May your trails be crooked, winding, lonesome, dangerous, leading to the most amazing view. May your mountains rise into and above the clouds. - Edward Abbey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BRYANGOESBOOM 0 #103 March 20, 2005 FREAKING SCUMBAG this guy should have his member removed verry painfully and then shot Not only will you look better, feel better, and fuck better; you'll have significantly increased your life expectancy. --Douva Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rainbo 0 #104 March 20, 2005 Yeah I have been following this thread and I find it amusing that most of the defenders of these peoples civil liberties are young and have no children. As a father it sickens me that one of my beautiful children could fall prey to someone like this. Have any of you seen this beautiful childs father pleading on tv, or her grandparents. It brings tears to my eyes when see them. It brings tears to my eyes thinking about her fate right now. Does anyone really beleive the the most helpless segment of any society do not deserve the most protection. If your not sure who I am talking about why don't go visit one of your beatiful neices or nephews if you do not have children of your own. Look at them and your brother or sister and think about what happened to this little girl. Then search deep down in your soul and see if you can still say the same things. Let's not muddy the water here and talk about other crimes in the same sentence. I am talking about true sexual predators and child abusers. Do you really feel they deserve everything in life that the rest of us do. My political feelings say that we are all free beyound what the governments even says, but this is one area where I have very strong feelings the other way. Oh, and how about my civil liberties that allow me to express my feeling in public. If I want to picket the front of a persons house I have every right to. Just like some people picket womens centers, some people picket car dealership over lemons, some people picket the government. To compare my rights to do that to the actions of the KKK is ridiculous. I can not take certain personal physical actions against them, but I bet I would if I even thought they had intentions towards my children. Go pull your statistics up folks and present them to one of the parents of the dead children that you see on television almost every day, do you really think that it will make them fell better. I doubt it. Do these people relly deserve to befree in our society, well as long as the majority of our society says they do then they do. But I can feel differently, and yes I can try to change it. I think that if they are free to roam that they should have to wear monitoring devices for the rest of thier lives. We should be able to track thier movement and record the history. One of the first things thjat should be looked at when a child goes missing is the proximity and current location of sexual predators. I'll stop but you have my.02 worth.Rainbo TheSpeedTriple - Speed is everything "Blessed are those who can give without remembering, and take without forgetting." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyangel2 2 #105 March 20, 2005 Quote If I want to picket the front of a persons house I have every right to. Good to know I'll have company.May your trails be crooked, winding, lonesome, dangerous, leading to the most amazing view. May your mountains rise into and above the clouds. - Edward Abbey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rainbo 0 #106 March 20, 2005 with you baby, anydayRainbo TheSpeedTriple - Speed is everything "Blessed are those who can give without remembering, and take without forgetting." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cloudseeker2001 0 #107 March 20, 2005 QuoteHarassment of a person is illegal. The person that moved in has followed the law because he has served his time in prison, he has notifed the local community of his status and I'm quite sure he is on probation with monitoring. Restictions are only on how close he can live to a school or other public place like playgrounds. He did not get moved there to spite the neighborhood, but he probally moved there because that was an area that he could afford to live in. Next time some one gets a DUI go picket out in front of their house since they are probally more dangerous then a lot of the people with sex crimes convictions. I agree. And too, I do not think these words are in defense of this offender. This person, if rightly and justly convicted, has paid for his crime and deserves a fair chance and he also has the obligation to follow the rules set for him by the legal system. I have known two men who were unjustly convicted in a bargain with the DA simply because they would have probably lost to a jury. I do not believe these men ever did anything to their children and it was the product of an evil X wife. Maybe the person in your neighborhood did really do something bad, or maybe he did not. How do you know? On a side note, one of the men I am writing about has since gone back to court to have his case looked at again. His daughters are 15 and 17 and they have statements saying their dad never touched them and the mom forced them to lie...........The judge and DA are fighting it with everything they have. The poor guy is about to give up because this has already cost him almost 100K with no end in sight. I doubt this person is the only man or woman in your neighborhood who is a threat to your family, it just happens to be the one your know about. "Some call it heavenly in it's brilliance, others mean and rueful of the western dream" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cloudseeker2001 0 #108 March 20, 2005 QuoteHOORAY!!! Man Surrenders To Deputies In Covington POSTED: 7:29 am PST March 14, 2005 UPDATED: 10:22 am PST March 14, 2005 COVINGTON, Wash. -- A five-hour police stand-off has ended at Covington where a man has surrendered to King County sheriff's deputies. They are seeking a search warrant to enter his home and seize the weapon he fired a couple of times. No one was injured. Spokesman John Urquhart says the stand-off began about 4:30 after the despondent man had been drinking. A SWAT team surrounded the house and evacuated neighbors while a negotiator talked with the 23-year-old. The incident closed two nearby schools and put another school into lock-down. In Houston, this kind of stuff happens a few times a year and the police handle it accordingly.......So, a guy gets drunk, fires his gun, and the SWAT team shows up(which if you have never seen them in action is a pretty damn scary thing because they are very trigger happy and can kill you legally) and the "stand off" starts! Which is really nothing more than a person thinking, I gotta sober up, so these freakin cops don't kill me and get a free vacation! I cannot see why this got you so up set. It can happen anywhere at anytime. You know, living life is dangerous-the future is uncertain and the end is always near! "Some call it heavenly in it's brilliance, others mean and rueful of the western dream" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyangel2 2 #109 March 20, 2005 QuoteThis person, if rightly and justly convicted, has paid for his crime and deserves a fair chance and he also has the obligation to follow the rules set for him by the legal system. It seems the system didn't work for Jessica QuoteCouey, 46, confessed to kidnapping and killing Jessica after taking a lie-detector test Friday in Georgia, officials said. The girl's body was found early Saturday, more than three weeks after she disappeared from her bedroom. QuoteHe has an extensive criminal record that includes 24 burglary arrests, carrying a concealed weapon and indecent exposure. In 1991, he was arrested in Kissimmee on a charge of fondling a child under age 16. Records don't show how the case was resolved. During a house burglary in 1978, Couey was accused of grabbing a girl in her bedroom, placing his hand over her mouth and kissing her, Citrus County Sheriff Jeff Dawsy said. Couey was sentenced to 10 years in prison but was paroled in 1980. He was paroled in 1980! WTF? He should have been locked up for life! He had shown over and over, that he was not following the laws of our land. If he can't do that, then why was he allowed out on parole? I rest my case. As stated before, if I know there is one in my area, I will camp out in my lawnchair and let him/her know that I am watching him.May your trails be crooked, winding, lonesome, dangerous, leading to the most amazing view. May your mountains rise into and above the clouds. - Edward Abbey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cloudseeker2001 0 #110 March 20, 2005 QuoteQuoteThis person, if rightly and justly convicted, has paid for his crime and deserves a fair chance and he also has the obligation to follow the rules set for him by the legal system. It seems the system didn't work for Jessica QuoteCouey, 46, confessed to kidnapping and killing Jessica after taking a lie-detector test Friday in Georgia, officials said. The girl's body was found early Saturday, more than three weeks after she disappeared from her bedroom. QuoteHe has an extensive criminal record that includes 24 burglary arrests, carrying a concealed weapon and indecent exposure. In 1991, he was arrested in Kissimmee on a charge of fondling a child under age 16. Records don't show how the case was resolved. During a house burglary in 1978, Couey was accused of grabbing a girl in her bedroom, placing his hand over her mouth and kissing her, Citrus County Sheriff Jeff Dawsy said. Couey was sentenced to 10 years in prison but was paroled in 1980. He was paroled in 1980! WTF? He should have been locked up for life! He had shown over and over, that he was not following the laws of our land. If he can't do that, then why was he allowed out on parole? I rest my case. As stated before, if I know there is one in my area, I will camp out in my lawnchair and let him/her know that I am watching him. In 1980 you should have shot him in the head so he could not have committed anymore crimes. And you should consider searching the entire world for people who may do this in the future......this kinda sounds like a movie I once saw. Makes me wonder about what you might do in the future. Get my point? edit for spelling. "Some call it heavenly in it's brilliance, others mean and rueful of the western dream" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #111 March 20, 2005 Jaye. This may be helpful. We have a similar service in Snohomish County and I looked up several of the assholes that live around here... Check this out.. http://pso.co.pierce.wa.us/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ACMESkydiver 0 #112 March 20, 2005 Thanky! ~Jaye Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ACMESkydiver 0 #113 March 20, 2005 QuoteI cannot see why this got you so up set. It can happen anywhere at anytime. You know, living life is dangerous-the future is uncertain and the end is always near! Some guy shooting in my neighborhood where my kids are running around... Of course not. Why the hell would that make anyone upset. ~Jaye Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #114 March 20, 2005 QuoteYeah I have been following this thread and I find it amusing that most of the defenders of these peoples civil liberties are young and have no children. As a father it sickens me that one of my beautiful children could fall prey to someone like this. I'm young, have no children, and I feel I might be missing your point. Are you suggesting people without children are simply being too objective? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MakeItHappen 15 #115 March 21, 2005 A sexual offender lives next door to me. The family next door moved in last summer. I checked the Megan's Law DB again today and learned about my new neighbor. I talked with the offender's nephew today also, across the property line fence. He said the guy was retired and does volunteer work at the Temecula Senior Center. He claimed not to know details of 'what happened' and that his uncle was never sent to jail and that 'He's harmless'. The offender's offense was "288(a) LEWD OR LASCIVIOUS ACTS WITH CHILD UNDER 14 YEARS" The nephew said it happened 5 years ago. The police come over once a month and check his bedroom and make sure he still lives there. So later in the day I talked to my other neighbor that has small kids. I told him what I knew about this offender and that he lived right next door to us. This neighbor does not have internet access. I gave him the info I got from the web site. My neighborhood is quite safe. I take walks after dark, with my dog of course. I leave my doors unlocked, unless I am actually leaving town for a few days. My other neighbor, the retired widower, always keeps an eagle eye out when I'm gone for the dog-sitter and 'strangers'. She doesn't have internet access either. I won't start locking my doors because of this, but I will be watching for this guy 'making friends' with my neighbor's kids. Most child victims know their offender. This guy did something - I do not know what exactly - but it had to be against social mores of most people. He did not do time. He is out in the world. I do not trust him. .. Make It Happen Parachute History DiveMaker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cloudseeker2001 0 #116 March 22, 2005 QuoteA sexual offender lives next door to me. The family next door moved in last summer. I checked the Megan's Law DB again today and learned about my new neighbor. I talked with the offender's nephew today also, across the property line fence. He said the guy was retired and does volunteer work at the Temecula Senior Center. He claimed not to know details of 'what happened' and that his uncle was never sent to jail and that 'He's harmless'. The offender's offense was "288(a) LEWD OR LASCIVIOUS ACTS WITH CHILD UNDER 14 YEARS" The nephew said it happened 5 years ago. The police come over once a month and check his bedroom and make sure he still lives there. So later in the day I talked to my other neighbor that has small kids. I told him what I knew about this offender and that he lived right next door to us. This neighbor does not have internet access. I gave him the info I got from the web site. My neighborhood is quite safe. I take walks after dark, with my dog of course. I leave my doors unlocked, unless I am actually leaving town for a few days. My other neighbor, the retired widower, always keeps an eagle eye out when I'm gone for the dog-sitter and 'strangers'. She doesn't have internet access either. I won't start locking my doors because of this, but I will be watching for this guy 'making friends' with my neighbor's kids. Most child victims know their offender. This guy did something - I do not know what exactly - but it had to be against social mores of most people. He did not do time. He is out in the world. I do not trust him. . go get him! "Some call it heavenly in it's brilliance, others mean and rueful of the western dream" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rainbo 0 #117 March 23, 2005 QuoteQuoteYeah I have been following this thread and I find it amusing that most of the defenders of these peoples civil liberties are young and have no children. As a father it sickens me that one of my beautiful children could fall prey to someone like this. I'm young, have no children, and I feel I might be missing your point. Are you suggesting people without children are simply being too objective? Depends on your definition of objective. My point was most people here that were vehemently defending the rights of the sexual predators do not have kids. I know most of them personally and love them a lot. I believe, and I could be wrong (would not be the first time) that their position may be different if they were at a different point in life. If you read other posts of mine you would know that I am a great believer in individual liberties, to the extent of sometimes being chastised. However this is one area were my feelings are equally as strong about protecting our children. And I did not feel so greatly about that until I had my own. Thats all.Rainbo TheSpeedTriple - Speed is everything "Blessed are those who can give without remembering, and take without forgetting." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyangel2 2 #118 March 24, 2005 I don't know if something like this would work. We are trusting that the sex offenders will register. If we can't trust them with our children how can we trust them to register? http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=601536&page=1 BTW, John Evander Couey had failed to register and he took a job as a construction worker at a local grade school http://www.sptimes.com/2005/03/22/Citrus/Suspect_worked_at_Jes.shtmlMay your trails be crooked, winding, lonesome, dangerous, leading to the most amazing view. May your mountains rise into and above the clouds. - Edward Abbey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #119 March 24, 2005 QuoteDepends on your definition of objective. My point was most people here that were vehemently defending the rights of the sexual predators do not have kids. I know most of them personally and love them a lot. I believe, and I could be wrong (would not be the first time) that their position may be different if they were at a different point in life. If you read other posts of mine you would know that I am a great believer in individual liberties, to the extent of sometimes being chastised. However this is one area were my feelings are equally as strong about protecting our children. And I did not feel so greatly about that until I had my own. Thats all. I agree, anytime life tosses us major events (particularly family entering and exiting our lives) our outlooks will change be it our intention or not. The choice to exhibit growth or regression is left as an exercise to those involved. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites flyangel2 2 #120 April 14, 2005 Not to re-open a thread that has been beat to death, but it looks like it is happening again http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/04/14/florida.missing.girl/index.html QuoteLaw enforcement officials said David Onstott, who had once dated but recently broke up with the mother of missing Sarah Michelle Lunde, will appear in court Thursday morning to be arraigned for failing to register as a sex offender. Failing to register...again, how is it we are trusting these people to register?May your trails be crooked, winding, lonesome, dangerous, leading to the most amazing view. May your mountains rise into and above the clouds. - Edward Abbey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites flyangel2 2 #121 April 18, 2005 This is starting to really piss me off. On the news this morning, it's been confirmed, David Onstott did kill Sarah Michelle Lunde. So, how many of you are still comfortable with having a convicted sex offender living in your area? Quoteconvicted sex offender who once dated the mother of Sarah Michelle Lunde confessed to killing the 13-year-old girl, Hillsborough County Sheriff David Gee said Sunday. http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/04/17/florida.girl/index.htmlMay your trails be crooked, winding, lonesome, dangerous, leading to the most amazing view. May your mountains rise into and above the clouds. - Edward Abbey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tigra 0 #122 April 18, 2005 For the record, I never said I was comfortable with it. I don't think ANYONE did. Its a matter of recognizing a person's legal rights, and having some faith in the legal system this country was founded on. I also think that system has been letting us down. The authorities need to do their part by keeping tabs on these people and insuring that they aren't a danger to our children. We shouldn't have to become a society of vigilantes in order to protect our children. And I realize that perhaps its easier for me to say that since I'm not a parent. If my own child or niece or nephew were threatened or harmed, there is no telling what I would do. I'm not even sure the argument applies in this case, since this wasn't random. This was the mom's ex boyfriend, and the mother didn't even report her daughter missing for two days. Maybe all single moms should be required to thoroughly investigate a man before they agree to date him. I don't know the answer, that's for sure. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites flyangel2 2 #123 April 18, 2005 QuoteFor the record, I never said I was comfortable with it. I don't think ANYONE did. I think you might want to go back and re-read some of the post in this thread, there are some that were okay with a sex offender living near by. QuoteIts a matter of recognizing a person's legal rights, and having some faith in the legal system this country was founded on. I also think that system has been letting us down. The authorities need to do their part by keeping tabs on these people and insuring that they aren't a danger to our children. IMO, the biggest problem with the way the system works, is that the sex offenders have to register them selves. What is up with that? I intend to not just bitch about how the system works, but to start writing some more letters. Quote I'm not even sure the argument applies in this case, since this wasn't random. This was the mom's ex boyfriend, and the mother didn't even report her daughter missing for two days. Maybe all single moms should be required to thoroughly investigate a man before they agree to date him. Yes, the mom invited this creep into her house, and I admit that maybe the mom wasn't doing a good job protecting her child, but that still doesn't give the offender the right to kill.May your trails be crooked, winding, lonesome, dangerous, leading to the most amazing view. May your mountains rise into and above the clouds. - Edward Abbey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tigra 0 #124 April 18, 2005 No one has a right to rape and kill. But this most recent case doesn't really apply to the whole "registered sex offender in your neighborhood" scenario since the mother invited the creep into her home and effectively into her daughter's life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites flyangel2 2 #125 April 18, 2005 QuoteNo one has a right to rape and kill. But this most recent case doesn't really apply to the whole "registered sex offender in your neighborhood" scenario since the mother invited the creep into her home and effectively into her daughter's life. QuoteLaw enforcement officials said David Onstott, who had once dated but recently broke up with the mother of missing Sarah Michelle Lunde, will appear in court Thursday morning to be arraigned for failing to register as a sex offender. http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/04/14/florida.missing.girl/index.html I'm not saying I have any idea what the mother was thinking. Did she know that David Onstott was a sex offender? He didn't register, so unless he told the mom, how would she know. IMO the mom did some things wrong, and this whole thing makes me sick. I guess I can agree with you on the point that this situation doesn't apply to the meat of this thread, since we were discussing "registered sex offenders" and Onstott wasn't registered That shows me (once again) that the system needs to change, we can not trust that the sex offender will register.May your trails be crooked, winding, lonesome, dangerous, leading to the most amazing view. May your mountains rise into and above the clouds. - Edward Abbey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 Next Page 5 of 5 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. 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flyangel2 2 #120 April 14, 2005 Not to re-open a thread that has been beat to death, but it looks like it is happening again http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/04/14/florida.missing.girl/index.html QuoteLaw enforcement officials said David Onstott, who had once dated but recently broke up with the mother of missing Sarah Michelle Lunde, will appear in court Thursday morning to be arraigned for failing to register as a sex offender. Failing to register...again, how is it we are trusting these people to register?May your trails be crooked, winding, lonesome, dangerous, leading to the most amazing view. May your mountains rise into and above the clouds. - Edward Abbey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyangel2 2 #121 April 18, 2005 This is starting to really piss me off. On the news this morning, it's been confirmed, David Onstott did kill Sarah Michelle Lunde. So, how many of you are still comfortable with having a convicted sex offender living in your area? Quoteconvicted sex offender who once dated the mother of Sarah Michelle Lunde confessed to killing the 13-year-old girl, Hillsborough County Sheriff David Gee said Sunday. http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/04/17/florida.girl/index.htmlMay your trails be crooked, winding, lonesome, dangerous, leading to the most amazing view. May your mountains rise into and above the clouds. - Edward Abbey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tigra 0 #122 April 18, 2005 For the record, I never said I was comfortable with it. I don't think ANYONE did. Its a matter of recognizing a person's legal rights, and having some faith in the legal system this country was founded on. I also think that system has been letting us down. The authorities need to do their part by keeping tabs on these people and insuring that they aren't a danger to our children. We shouldn't have to become a society of vigilantes in order to protect our children. And I realize that perhaps its easier for me to say that since I'm not a parent. If my own child or niece or nephew were threatened or harmed, there is no telling what I would do. I'm not even sure the argument applies in this case, since this wasn't random. This was the mom's ex boyfriend, and the mother didn't even report her daughter missing for two days. Maybe all single moms should be required to thoroughly investigate a man before they agree to date him. I don't know the answer, that's for sure. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyangel2 2 #123 April 18, 2005 QuoteFor the record, I never said I was comfortable with it. I don't think ANYONE did. I think you might want to go back and re-read some of the post in this thread, there are some that were okay with a sex offender living near by. QuoteIts a matter of recognizing a person's legal rights, and having some faith in the legal system this country was founded on. I also think that system has been letting us down. The authorities need to do their part by keeping tabs on these people and insuring that they aren't a danger to our children. IMO, the biggest problem with the way the system works, is that the sex offenders have to register them selves. What is up with that? I intend to not just bitch about how the system works, but to start writing some more letters. Quote I'm not even sure the argument applies in this case, since this wasn't random. This was the mom's ex boyfriend, and the mother didn't even report her daughter missing for two days. Maybe all single moms should be required to thoroughly investigate a man before they agree to date him. Yes, the mom invited this creep into her house, and I admit that maybe the mom wasn't doing a good job protecting her child, but that still doesn't give the offender the right to kill.May your trails be crooked, winding, lonesome, dangerous, leading to the most amazing view. May your mountains rise into and above the clouds. - Edward Abbey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tigra 0 #124 April 18, 2005 No one has a right to rape and kill. But this most recent case doesn't really apply to the whole "registered sex offender in your neighborhood" scenario since the mother invited the creep into her home and effectively into her daughter's life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyangel2 2 #125 April 18, 2005 QuoteNo one has a right to rape and kill. But this most recent case doesn't really apply to the whole "registered sex offender in your neighborhood" scenario since the mother invited the creep into her home and effectively into her daughter's life. QuoteLaw enforcement officials said David Onstott, who had once dated but recently broke up with the mother of missing Sarah Michelle Lunde, will appear in court Thursday morning to be arraigned for failing to register as a sex offender. http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/04/14/florida.missing.girl/index.html I'm not saying I have any idea what the mother was thinking. Did she know that David Onstott was a sex offender? He didn't register, so unless he told the mom, how would she know. IMO the mom did some things wrong, and this whole thing makes me sick. I guess I can agree with you on the point that this situation doesn't apply to the meat of this thread, since we were discussing "registered sex offenders" and Onstott wasn't registered That shows me (once again) that the system needs to change, we can not trust that the sex offender will register.May your trails be crooked, winding, lonesome, dangerous, leading to the most amazing view. May your mountains rise into and above the clouds. - Edward Abbey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
