Maxx 1 #1 April 21, 2005 A larger wing creates more lift and therefore is more efficient.. But a larger wing also means less wingload and so you must be fat to load it right. End of my thesis. Feet up! Max Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkiD_PL8 0 #2 April 21, 2005 A larger wing also creates more drag, as does the larger body hanging beneath it. Greenie in training. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brains 2 #3 April 21, 2005 And then JT goes and jumps a smaller canopy and loads it heavier with lead and breaks the world record for distance. Go figure. Never look down on someone, unless they are going down on you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #4 April 21, 2005 We don't need to be in shape to skydive. So in that respect I do agree that swooping can be a fat guy's sport. We sit around all day waiting to get on a load, don't exert that much energy when we jump, we pack, repeat all day long and then we drink tons of beer and often consume the wrong fatty foods at night. So yah!!! Swooping is a fat boy sport!!! Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pilotdave 0 #5 April 21, 2005 A tandem drogue produces just as much "lift" (upward force) as a tandem main. They just do it at very different vertical speeds. Don't swoop a drogue... it's not healthy. Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 235 #6 April 21, 2005 QuoteGo figure. I figure that he's an OK canopy pilot."I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #7 April 21, 2005 Swooping is a fat boy sport!!! Quote Wow this is an awesome day. I just found out last night (according to some news show) that I am more likely to live longer then a skinny person and now this. Life is good.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Brains 2 #8 April 21, 2005 QuoteI figure that he's an OK canopy pilot. You think? I was using that example to blow his "thesis" out of the water. By no means meant to slam JT, he is certainly an awesome pilot. Never look down on someone, unless they are going down on you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kaerock 1 #9 April 21, 2005 Fuck yea. Who needs weight-belts? My natural weight-belt helps me haul my fat-ass like a bullet over the grass (Okay, so my ass isn't fat per-se, but you dig). ;> Fat man with a little parachute...*rip*...oops -R QuoteA larger wing creates more lift and therefore is more efficient.. But a larger wing also means less wingload and so you must be fat to load it right. End of my thesis. Feet up! Max You be the king and I'll overthrow your government. --KRS-ONE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Slappie 9 #10 April 21, 2005 QuoteWow this is an awesome day. I just found out last night (according to some news show) that I am more likely to live longer then a skinny person and now this. Life is good. And here I am trying to quit smoking and lose weight at the same time! Maybe I need to say fuckit and smoke and eat anything I want! The world is looking brighter everyday. "Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DrewEckhardt 0 #11 April 21, 2005 QuoteA larger wing also creates more drag, as does the larger body hanging beneath it. Which is more than offset by other factors. In freefall bigger people fall faster when they don't add drag to slow them down. Tiny people fall slower when they don't add weights or flexibility. The same effects of sectional density apply under canopy. Drag increases with the square of velocity so the effects are 16X as pronounced during a 60 MPH swoop compared to 15 MPH of forward speed in brakes. Thrust is proportional to weight. Drag is proportional to frontal area and therefore canopy size in square feet. With sufficiently similar body types frontal area increases with the square of height while weight is a cubic function. This would increase your drag with the square root of canopy size. Weight from fat has little effect on your area so the drag doesn't increase. The lines get longer but not thicker as the canopy grows so their drag is only increasing with the square root of size. At the same wing loading a big person has a better thrust to drag ratio than a little person so he goes faster. The bigger canopy also has longer lines which provide a longer recovery arc. That will have you going faster if you're not turning long enough to reach terminal velocity. It also gives you more altitude to work with which makes it easier to have a flat entry into the swoop without drag-inducing toggle input. For me sub-optimal piloting skills have more to do with my swoop length than my missing beer belly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
Brains 2 #8 April 21, 2005 QuoteI figure that he's an OK canopy pilot. You think? I was using that example to blow his "thesis" out of the water. By no means meant to slam JT, he is certainly an awesome pilot. Never look down on someone, unless they are going down on you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kaerock 1 #9 April 21, 2005 Fuck yea. Who needs weight-belts? My natural weight-belt helps me haul my fat-ass like a bullet over the grass (Okay, so my ass isn't fat per-se, but you dig). ;> Fat man with a little parachute...*rip*...oops -R QuoteA larger wing creates more lift and therefore is more efficient.. But a larger wing also means less wingload and so you must be fat to load it right. End of my thesis. Feet up! Max You be the king and I'll overthrow your government. --KRS-ONE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slappie 9 #10 April 21, 2005 QuoteWow this is an awesome day. I just found out last night (according to some news show) that I am more likely to live longer then a skinny person and now this. Life is good. And here I am trying to quit smoking and lose weight at the same time! Maybe I need to say fuckit and smoke and eat anything I want! The world is looking brighter everyday. "Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrewEckhardt 0 #11 April 21, 2005 QuoteA larger wing also creates more drag, as does the larger body hanging beneath it. Which is more than offset by other factors. In freefall bigger people fall faster when they don't add drag to slow them down. Tiny people fall slower when they don't add weights or flexibility. The same effects of sectional density apply under canopy. Drag increases with the square of velocity so the effects are 16X as pronounced during a 60 MPH swoop compared to 15 MPH of forward speed in brakes. Thrust is proportional to weight. Drag is proportional to frontal area and therefore canopy size in square feet. With sufficiently similar body types frontal area increases with the square of height while weight is a cubic function. This would increase your drag with the square root of canopy size. Weight from fat has little effect on your area so the drag doesn't increase. The lines get longer but not thicker as the canopy grows so their drag is only increasing with the square root of size. At the same wing loading a big person has a better thrust to drag ratio than a little person so he goes faster. The bigger canopy also has longer lines which provide a longer recovery arc. That will have you going faster if you're not turning long enough to reach terminal velocity. It also gives you more altitude to work with which makes it easier to have a flat entry into the swoop without drag-inducing toggle input. For me sub-optimal piloting skills have more to do with my swoop length than my missing beer belly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites