peacefuljeffrey 0 #1 May 7, 2005 Would you continue to keep something if it were associated with someone's death? Some examples: - You have a car and a motorcyclist blows a red light and broadsides you, and is killed. Keep the car? Sell it? - You have a houseguest over and he/she dies in their sleep in your nice queen size guest bed. Keep the bed? Sell it? Burn it? - You have a gun and someone steals it and uses it to murder someone. Cops find the gun, the bad guy gets the chair, and the gun is returned to you. Keep the gun? Sell it? Have it destroyed? You get the gist. How do you feel about this kind of thing? Blue skies, -Jeffrey-Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brian425 0 #2 May 7, 2005 I would keep it. It's just an object, it does not know if someone died or got hurt or did fine. No worries here. I had a tenant die my apartment up stairs. I had it rented 20 days later. Clean it, paint it and back to business. No way I was going to sell the house or leave the apartment empty. B The only time you should look down on someone is when you are offering them your hand. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #3 May 7, 2005 I voted for "depends on the circumstance". But seven years ago when I was contemplating leaving my nice modest house up in Canada for a job in Colorado, my mother gave me some excellent advice. She said "Don't get attached to material objects". Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skolls081102 0 #4 May 7, 2005 - You have a car and a motorcyclist blows a red light and broadsides you, and is killed. Keep the car? Sell it? Keep it- I don't have the money for a down payment on a new car... - You have a houseguest over and he/she dies in their sleep in your nice queen size guest bed. Keep the bed? Sell it? Burn it? Keep it- I used to own a Hearse, so that wouldn't creep me at all. - You have a gun and someone steals it and uses it to murder someone. Cops find the gun, the bad guy gets the chair, and the gun is returned to you. Keep the gun? Sell it? Have it destroyed? Keep it- It's the intended use for the gun anyway, isn't it???? Just kidding. I would keep the gun though. The sole intention, is learning to fly.Condition grounded, but determined to try.Can't keep my eyes from the circling skies.Tongue tied and twisted, just an Earth bound misfit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #5 May 7, 2005 Quote- You have a houseguest over and he/she dies in their sleep in your nice queen size guest bed. Keep the bed? Sell it? Burn it? Keep it- I used to own a Hearse, so that wouldn't creep me at all. Hearse is different. People don't generally die horrible deaths IN a hearse. I'm thinking mostly about the perception that "something lingers" after a death. Think "The Grudge." -Jeffrey-Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Skolls081102 0 #6 May 7, 2005 QuoteHearse is different. People don't generally die horrible deaths IN a hearse. I'm thinking mostly about the perception that "something lingers" after a death. Think "The Grudge." Never saw the Grudge- was it any good? And I'd still keep the bed. My wife on the other hand would probably throw it out....lol The sole intention, is learning to fly.Condition grounded, but determined to try.Can't keep my eyes from the circling skies.Tongue tied and twisted, just an Earth bound misfit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites leroydb 0 #7 May 7, 2005 i bought a 2 pin rig from someone who told me the guy that had it prior to him died using another rig... does that count?Leroy ..I knew I was an unwanted baby when I saw my bath toys were a toaster and a radio... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zenister 0 #8 May 7, 2005 doesnt bother me at all..death is a part of life...if you have that kind of phobea you should think about everyone who has died who has touched the same ground as you... i have someone's skull on a shelf behind me (i'd love to know who's so it would have a real name) and 1 sword and 2 firearms that have very likely been involved in fatalities.. (the sword i know was used in a fatal duel in 1853) both the firearms are war relics.... i also have several other items that were owned by people who have since left us... they remind me of the impermanence of life and are a way to remember my friends who have passed..____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jumpinfarmer 0 #9 May 7, 2005 Well I've got some thinking to do about this right now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bobsled92 0 #10 May 7, 2005 I would depend for me. I did meet a guy that jumps his Dad's rig. The one he bounced in The older gear I won (and still jump as well) was from a guy who commited suicide. I think about him every time I put on the old jump suit._______________________________ If I could be a Super Hero, I chose to be: "GRANT-A-CLAUS". and work 365 days a Year. http://www.hangout.no/speednews/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites peacefuljeffrey 0 #11 May 7, 2005 Quotedoesnt bother me at all..death is a part of life...if you have that kind of phobea you should think about everyone who has died who has touched the same ground as you... I agree about the ground thing. My mom died in a bedroom of her home, and I still see the home once in a while, and the thought crosses my mind of "I wonder if there's still 'energy' from here in there..." Is "phobea" the New English spelling to replace the archaic Olde English "phobia"? Ooops, wrong thread! LOL! Quote i have someone's skull on a shelf behind me (i'd love to know who's so it would have a real name) and 1 sword and 2 firearms that have very likely been involved in fatalities.. (the sword i know was used in a fatal duel in 1853) both the firearms are war relics... So much folklore offers as "fact" that violent deaths cause the spirits of those killed to haunt the places where they died, or the objects associated with them. And I agree with you -- if that were true, instead of quaint myth, then the world would be awash in spirit activity, for there is nary a place where someone hasn't died, it seems. And Europe would report a FAR higher parapsychological activity level than anywhere else would. I don't know that they do not, but I haven't heard that they do. Your artifacts give lie to that notion, don't they? Swords that have been used in lethal battle that don't bear the spirits of those they killed... imagine that. Takes the wind out of the sails of those who "want to believe." Besides, what kind of negligent, lackadaisical God would set up a system in which people's souls could get "lost" and not make it where they are supposed to go after the body dies?!? It's freakin' GOD, not the damned DMV!! -Jeffrey-Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites justaflygirl 0 #12 May 7, 2005 i voted for the third option.... jeff sweetie, your being a post whore.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zenister 0 #13 May 7, 2005 QuoteIs "phobea" the New English spelling to replace the archaic Olde English "phobia"? Ooops, wrong thread! LOL! no its hammered typing and basic ennui about hitting the spell check button.. but the fact that you clearly understood what 'signifier' i intended proves my point... Quote i have someone's skull on a shelf behind me (i'd love to know who's so it would have a real name) and 1 sword and 2 firearms that have very likely been involved in fatalities.. (the sword i know was used in a fatal duel in 1853) both the firearms are war relics... So much folklore offers as "fact" that violent deaths cause the spirits of those killed to haunt the places where they died, or the objects associated with them. And I agree with you -- if that were true, instead of quaint myth, then the world would be awash in spirit activity, for there is nary a place where someone hasn't died, it seems. And Europe would report a FAR higher parapsychological activity level than anywhere else would. I don't know that they do not, but I haven't heard that they do. Your artifacts give lie to that notion, don't they? Swords that have been used in lethal battle that don't bear the spirits of those they killed... imagine that. Takes the wind out of the sails of those who "want to believe." i've a friend that spent a month in dresden looking for signs of exactly that sort of thing.... he claims some interesting 'results', he also spends the majority of his vacations visiting haunted sites... i'm agnostic on the issue really.. its certainly possible that some people are more sensitive so whatever impressions might be left by such events.. its also possible that conditions may exist that could amplify this phenomena, but despite a strange experience or two i have yet to see anything i would qualify as 'proof'. If it is a 'random' occurance, or can only be observed by those with senses we havent quantified yet it is very difficult to make any authoritive conclusions.. also a problem exists whenever anyone brings 'God' into the issue, as they then presuppose an underlying 'system' that has the exact same problems as the events and impressions they are trying to 'fit' into it...____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skolls081102 0 #6 May 7, 2005 QuoteHearse is different. People don't generally die horrible deaths IN a hearse. I'm thinking mostly about the perception that "something lingers" after a death. Think "The Grudge." Never saw the Grudge- was it any good? And I'd still keep the bed. My wife on the other hand would probably throw it out....lol The sole intention, is learning to fly.Condition grounded, but determined to try.Can't keep my eyes from the circling skies.Tongue tied and twisted, just an Earth bound misfit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
leroydb 0 #7 May 7, 2005 i bought a 2 pin rig from someone who told me the guy that had it prior to him died using another rig... does that count?Leroy ..I knew I was an unwanted baby when I saw my bath toys were a toaster and a radio... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #8 May 7, 2005 doesnt bother me at all..death is a part of life...if you have that kind of phobea you should think about everyone who has died who has touched the same ground as you... i have someone's skull on a shelf behind me (i'd love to know who's so it would have a real name) and 1 sword and 2 firearms that have very likely been involved in fatalities.. (the sword i know was used in a fatal duel in 1853) both the firearms are war relics.... i also have several other items that were owned by people who have since left us... they remind me of the impermanence of life and are a way to remember my friends who have passed..____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumpinfarmer 0 #9 May 7, 2005 Well I've got some thinking to do about this right now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bobsled92 0 #10 May 7, 2005 I would depend for me. I did meet a guy that jumps his Dad's rig. The one he bounced in The older gear I won (and still jump as well) was from a guy who commited suicide. I think about him every time I put on the old jump suit._______________________________ If I could be a Super Hero, I chose to be: "GRANT-A-CLAUS". and work 365 days a Year. http://www.hangout.no/speednews/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #11 May 7, 2005 Quotedoesnt bother me at all..death is a part of life...if you have that kind of phobea you should think about everyone who has died who has touched the same ground as you... I agree about the ground thing. My mom died in a bedroom of her home, and I still see the home once in a while, and the thought crosses my mind of "I wonder if there's still 'energy' from here in there..." Is "phobea" the New English spelling to replace the archaic Olde English "phobia"? Ooops, wrong thread! LOL! Quote i have someone's skull on a shelf behind me (i'd love to know who's so it would have a real name) and 1 sword and 2 firearms that have very likely been involved in fatalities.. (the sword i know was used in a fatal duel in 1853) both the firearms are war relics... So much folklore offers as "fact" that violent deaths cause the spirits of those killed to haunt the places where they died, or the objects associated with them. And I agree with you -- if that were true, instead of quaint myth, then the world would be awash in spirit activity, for there is nary a place where someone hasn't died, it seems. And Europe would report a FAR higher parapsychological activity level than anywhere else would. I don't know that they do not, but I haven't heard that they do. Your artifacts give lie to that notion, don't they? Swords that have been used in lethal battle that don't bear the spirits of those they killed... imagine that. Takes the wind out of the sails of those who "want to believe." Besides, what kind of negligent, lackadaisical God would set up a system in which people's souls could get "lost" and not make it where they are supposed to go after the body dies?!? It's freakin' GOD, not the damned DMV!! -Jeffrey-Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justaflygirl 0 #12 May 7, 2005 i voted for the third option.... jeff sweetie, your being a post whore.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #13 May 7, 2005 QuoteIs "phobea" the New English spelling to replace the archaic Olde English "phobia"? Ooops, wrong thread! LOL! no its hammered typing and basic ennui about hitting the spell check button.. but the fact that you clearly understood what 'signifier' i intended proves my point... Quote i have someone's skull on a shelf behind me (i'd love to know who's so it would have a real name) and 1 sword and 2 firearms that have very likely been involved in fatalities.. (the sword i know was used in a fatal duel in 1853) both the firearms are war relics... So much folklore offers as "fact" that violent deaths cause the spirits of those killed to haunt the places where they died, or the objects associated with them. And I agree with you -- if that were true, instead of quaint myth, then the world would be awash in spirit activity, for there is nary a place where someone hasn't died, it seems. And Europe would report a FAR higher parapsychological activity level than anywhere else would. I don't know that they do not, but I haven't heard that they do. Your artifacts give lie to that notion, don't they? Swords that have been used in lethal battle that don't bear the spirits of those they killed... imagine that. Takes the wind out of the sails of those who "want to believe." i've a friend that spent a month in dresden looking for signs of exactly that sort of thing.... he claims some interesting 'results', he also spends the majority of his vacations visiting haunted sites... i'm agnostic on the issue really.. its certainly possible that some people are more sensitive so whatever impressions might be left by such events.. its also possible that conditions may exist that could amplify this phenomena, but despite a strange experience or two i have yet to see anything i would qualify as 'proof'. If it is a 'random' occurance, or can only be observed by those with senses we havent quantified yet it is very difficult to make any authoritive conclusions.. also a problem exists whenever anyone brings 'God' into the issue, as they then presuppose an underlying 'system' that has the exact same problems as the events and impressions they are trying to 'fit' into it...____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #14 May 7, 2005 Quotei voted for the third option.... jeff sweetie, your being a post whore.... Darlin', you would too if you were as freakin' bored at work as I have been all night! Hey, they've been thought-provoking whore posts, though, haven't they? I even got someone stating that she has to go do some thinking because of me! -Jeffrey-Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #15 May 7, 2005 Who cares? I'm not getting rid of stuff cause someone died in on or around it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
