jenfly00 0 #51 May 18, 2005 QuoteAre you STILL having problems with your reading and comprehension skills, Jen? QuoteI have come to realize that one of the reasons women are finding acceptance in today's society difficult is the ever continuing 'we are special and deserve more' attitude. I can understand why men are tired of that crap. Get over yourself. Inequality oppresses all involved. jen I haven't even applied for women-only scholarships, I mentioned that I wasn't much for affirmative action. However, I have SEEN that I am treated differently because of my sex, and I DO keep on working regardless. But, what I said was that I can SEE why these things are out there for minorities, women, etc. Women are still not equal to men as far as society is concerned. It'd be great to give them incentive to reach further. Yeah, it did sound a bit harsh. A better statement would have been as women, we need to get over ourselves. We've lived for some many decades with women this, women that, women only, women whatever that the very appearance of a source of funding reserved for a male struck you as odd and , by inference, inappropriate. I am sorry you have such a problem the opinions of others and constantly seek to insult people. Hehe, yeah. Thanks, pass. A little too much estrogen for me I don't feel I need to "get over myself" at all. I do not think ask for anything extra for my gender, but I don't want to be excluded because of it, either. My problem with a scholarship for men is that it is exclusive of the group that is already behind in big business, politics, etc., etc. For me, it's time to let this stuff go and move on Like I said, i'm not much for affirmative action, but I try to understand why these types of scholarships are out there. For this one, I really could not see why. I don't think my not seeing this warrants a "get over yourself." I view AA a most necessary social adjustment who's time is essentially over. Trouble is, women under 40 spent every day of our lives with it and some of us have come to accept the extra considerations as something that will continue through all time. AA was a temporary tool, not a goal. Now, I don't know if these thoughts apply to you or not. I've read some most impressive posts of yours but have to admit, this one caught me a bit off guard. Peace, jen -A----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiveNFlorida 0 #52 May 18, 2005 QuoteYeah, it did sound a bit harsh. A better statement would have been as women, we need to get over ourselves. We've lived for some many decades with women this, women that, women only, women whatever that the very appearance of a source of funding reserved for a male struck you as odd and , by inference, inappropriate. Very true. However hard I try and however much I think I form my own opinions, I am still a victim of the permeation of societal views. I like to think that for the most part this isn't the case, but maybe in this instance it is. QuoteI don't feel I need to "get over myself" at all. I do not think ask for anything extra for my gender, but I don't want to be excluded because of it, either. My problem with a scholarship for men is that it is exclusive of the group that is already behind in big business, politics, etc., etc. For me, it's time to let this stuff go and move on That would be nice. It would also be nice if all people felt that women were equivalent and we didn't have to deal with men thinking that women are not qualified for the positions they are in, or got into a school with lesser grades than they so it must be AA. But, in this instance, I do feel I was wrong about this scholarship. It is not AA or anti-AA, it is a group trying to recruit members, something I neglected to realize coming from a non-fraternity/sorority community college. QuoteI view AA a most necessary social adjustment who's time is essentially over. Trouble is, women under 40 spent every day of our lives with it and some of us have come to accept the extra considerations as something that will continue through all time. AA was a temporary tool, not a goal. Now, I don't know if these thoughts apply to you or not. I've read some most impressive posts of yours but have to admit, this one caught me a bit off guard. I guess that is where we differ. You are certain that this is something that should be over with, and I am not sure that we are really to that point. On one hand this breeds the attitude that women/(insert minority here) are not as qualified for their jobs, are not as smart, etc. But, on the other hand, this stuff isn't going to end right away when AA goes away, either. But, I suppose that sometimes you have to give to get and maybe doing away with it altogether might be a good way to go. It is a shame but I meet so many women down here that lack any real goals, and who seem to live for their husbands, or feel second to them. So, it makes me think this type of treatment might still be necessary. Sorry to have babbled, that got pretty long. And, running the risk of overloading the post with estrogen(), for the most part I find that your posts tend to be well thought out and thought provoking. Thank you for your contribution to the thread. Take care, Angela. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fenceline 0 #53 May 18, 2005 Isn't it oppressive to believe that all groups EXCEPT white men should be allowed the opportunity to accept scholorships based their backgrounds?? If were gonna be equal, everyone is equal now, not then. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
