SkydiveNFlorida 0 #1 May 16, 2005 They have not endured any oppression for being men... so, WHAT GIVES?? http://scholarships.berkeley.edu/scholdb/Action.Lasso?-database=Scholarships&-layout=Web%20Search&-response=detail.lasso&-recordID=33271&-search -A Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RfukfreeflyingW 0 #2 May 16, 2005 yeah and there arent enough scholarships out there for women, and minority's as it is... try being a white male and get anyform of a scholarship.. or better yet live somewhere where there is affirmitive action, and watch ur black, or female friend with lower grades(and lower sat's) then u, get into a school u got turned down from..---- -God, you are the perfect amount of dumb... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #3 May 16, 2005 However, its perfectly fine to have scholorships open only to women? What about scholorships open only to, lets say, Irish people or midgets, or people that are left handed. To toss a stone at a group, I hope your group is squared away as well. There are plenty of women only scholorships out there, so I guess its wrong to have it for men too? You know that it was a breeze for me to pay for college and I don't have a fuckload of student loans I'm paying back, since I'm a man, right? Self righteousness like this really pisses me off.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waltappel 1 #4 May 16, 2005 Quote They have not endured any oppression for being men... so, WHAT GIVES?? http://scholarships.berkeley.edu/scholdb/Action.Lasso?-database=Scholarships&-layout=Web%20Search&-response=detail.lasso&-recordID=33271&-search -A Am I missing something? It's a relatively low-dollar scholarship open to U of C at Berkley junior and senior men. So what? Walt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RfukfreeflyingW 0 #5 May 16, 2005 ha my anger got posted first ---- -God, you are the perfect amount of dumb... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #6 May 16, 2005 Quote ha my anger got posted first Haha! You beat me...I guess I'm slacking since I'm eating dinner, I'll try harder next time.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Icon134 0 #7 May 16, 2005 ok, I'm confused... what's the problem w/a fraternity offering a scholarship to men? it makes more sense then offering one to women. it seems like a reasonable scholarship... and it is probably an excellent Rush tool. not only that... scholarships are not universally meant for under-represented groups... some of them are for academic excellence, leadership, etc...Livin' on the Edge... sleeping with my rigger's wife... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RfukfreeflyingW 0 #8 May 16, 2005 Quote Quote ha my anger got posted first Haha! You beat me...I guess I'm slacking since I'm eating dinner, I'll try harder next time. see thats why im eating dinner while typing.. man ur slackin these days dave ---- -God, you are the perfect amount of dumb... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ccowden 0 #9 May 17, 2005 So I guess that the scholarships that the Boy Scouts of America offer for males are wrong too? I certainly know that being a white male, I have never had any stress of meeting bills or paying for classes. I mean, heck, it is all handed to me on a silver platter because of it. The nerve of a male fraternity trying to offer some help in the form of a scolarship to another male. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiveNFlorida 0 #10 May 17, 2005 I'm not much for affirmative action... but since i'm not black and have ancestors that endured slavery. I am not hispanic, myself or family having arrived here a mere generation ago with nothing. I am not jewish, having family that lived through the holocaust, etc... so, because I don't understand it, I tend not to bitch bout it. Being a woman, I see that it is harder for us to be accepted. Men tend to think that i'm not as capable because i'm a woman, and as a child I was not exposed to anything science, etc... so I can see why scholarships out there for women going into science and engineering are a good thing. But, males have not been oppressed to the best of my knowledge. So, i'm trying to understand why this scholarship is not opened to everyone, but only men. As a man you are eligible for a number of non-exclusive, financial or merit based scholarships. I don't see why this should be exclusive. I am considering applying to it! Angela. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #11 May 17, 2005 Quote They have not endured any oppression for being men... so, WHAT GIVES?? http://scholarships.berkeley.edu/scholdb/Action.Lasso?-database=Scholarships&-layout=Web%20Search&-response=detail.lasso&-recordID=33271&-search -A I'm not sure why you think scholarships are only supposed to be for under-represented groups. My company gives away a few scholarships a year to children of its employees. Do you see that as being inappropriate as well? Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiveNFlorida 0 #12 May 17, 2005 Quote ok, I'm confused... what's the problem w/a fraternity offering a scholarship to men? it makes more sense then offering one to women. it seems like a reasonable scholarship... and it is probably an excellent Rush tool. not only that... scholarships are not universally meant for under-represented groups... some of them are for academic excellence, leadership, etc... What is a Rush Tool? Yes, I agree, there are plenty of schlarships for those that are not under-represented but rather are based on merit, etc... so why the need for a male-only scholarship? Would you feel any differently if this were only opened to white males? -A Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiveNFlorida 0 #13 May 17, 2005 Quote Quote They have not endured any oppression for being men... so, WHAT GIVES?? http://scholarships.berkeley.edu/scholdb/Action.Lasso?-database=Scholarships&-layout=Web%20Search&-response=detail.lasso&-recordID=33271&-search -A I'm not sure why you think scholarships are only supposed to be for under-represented groups. My company gives away a few scholarships a year to children of its employees. Do you see that as being inappropriate as well? Blues, Dave No, those children are likely from different backgrounds, and that scholarship gives a wide variety of people a chance. How about if this was for only those qualifying to be members of the Arian Race? -A Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiveNFlorida 0 #14 May 17, 2005 Quote yeah and there arent enough scholarships out there for women, and minority's as it is... try being a white male and get anyform of a scholarship.. or better yet live somewhere where there is affirmitive action, and watch ur black, or female friend with lower grades(and lower sat's) then u, get into a school u got turned down from.. Hey, i'm sorry you got turned down from a school for someone you feel was less qualified. Don't always assume that everything is based on merit, though... sometimes they give admission to people based on life circumstances (did the person have it rough, and still make it through with good grades?, etc) So, don't assume it was just because she was female! -A Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #15 May 17, 2005 Quote So, i'm trying to understand why this scholarship is not opened to everyone, but only men. Because it's offered by a fraternity maybe? I see no reason that an organization of and for men should offer a scholarship to women. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #16 May 17, 2005 Quote Yes, I agree, there are plenty of schlarships for those that are not under-represented but rather are based on merit, etc... so why the need for a male-only scholarship? If you're applying for this one, then men should apply for women only scholorships. Basically you're being a complete hypocrite in your self glory. All in all its quite amusing and fairly perplexing in your opinion. Nevermind that your showing whats wrong with people now-a-days, they all want something for nothing and they want no one else to have any sort of help unless its for them. You know what? My first two years I was at A&M I had a scholorship ($500 a semester) simply due to the fact that I was in the Corps of Cadets. Let me guess, that makes it wrong since the scholorship was only open to those in the Corps. I bet you think that folks who don't want to be in the military nor live a military lifestyle during college should still get a free ride and be accepted to the US Military Academy (West Point).--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gmittar 0 #17 May 17, 2005 Scholorships are for whoever they're designed to be fore, by the person paying for it. If it's the government, it tends to be towards underpriveledged students. If it's a frat house, they can have it going towards rich students who want play money, they're paying for it, it's they're call, get over it. |>.<| Seriously, W.T.F. mate? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waltappel 1 #18 May 17, 2005 Quote Being a woman, I see that it is harder for us to be accepted. Men tend to think that i'm not as capable because i'm a woman, and as a child I was not exposed to anything science, etc... so I can see why scholarships out there for women going into science and engineering are a good thing. Accepted by who? Men tend to think you are not as capable of what? I can't argue the history of women being discouraged from pursuing math and science. There used to be a bunch of that going on. As far as scholarships go, I think in general that they are all a good thing and that whoever sets them up SHOULD be able to have to money go to the persons of their choosing. Quote But, males have not been oppressed to the best of my knowledge. So, i'm trying to understand why this scholarship is not opened to everyone, but only men. As a man you are eligible for a number of non-exclusive, financial or merit based scholarships. I don't see why this should be exclusive. I am considering applying to it! Would you feel better about it if they simply cancelled the scholarship? What about if they offerred it only to blind hisplanic trans-gender amputees with diabetes? My point here is that if someone chooses to help out a person, that's a good thing and I see nothing good about putting conditions on who they can or can't help. True, offerring scholarships in a narrow category of people seems a bit strange to me, whether the category is women, blacks, jews, men, gays, or whatever, but at least it's a case of people helping people. Walt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiveNFlorida 0 #19 May 17, 2005 Quote Basically you're being a complete hypocrite in your self glory. All in all its quite amusing and fairly perplexing in your opinion OK, you know what... You don't agree. Fine. But to come on here and call me "amusing" like i'm a fucking circus because I think this isn't right is ridiculous and wrong. I expressed an opinion, no one has taken the time to read any of why I feel it is justified and actually argue those points. And, if you got some military scholarship, good for you. I'd never join the military personally, but if you feel the need to serve them then I think that they SHOULD give you something. I'm not going to bother arguing with you as you are terribly narrow-minded. I posted here to argue a point. When someone has taken the reasons I feel I am justified in my views and has actually argued against them, I will listen. But, you have not done that. You have come into this thread only to bash, and not to debate. You answered to nothing I replied to you with, you simply restated yourself in an even ruder manner when I replied to you. Why I bothered with this reply i'm not sure, it isn't like you read a damn thing. I will be certain not to bother in the future. -A Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2fat2fly 0 #20 May 17, 2005 Quote it makes more sense then offering one to women.reply] Fraternities do offer scholorships to women, they just do it one dollar at a time in certain bars around town.I am not the man. But the man knows my name...and he's worried Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #21 May 17, 2005 Hey now, I'm calling attention to the fact that you're being a hypocrite. You feel there should be scholorships open to women only, but if a scholorship is open only to men, then its incredibly wrong. What's to debate? Scholorships are setup by folks to help other folks, as pointed out government scholorships tend to help out under privlaged folks, faternal organizations tend to give scholorships to folks in their organization, the list could go on. What is wrong with this? Besides the fact that you want to post in Bonfire to argue a point, instead of SC, why do you feel justified to state that men shouldn't have scholorships open for men offered by an organization for men? What about the scholorships that sororities offer for women only? I guess those are ok, huh? What about scholorships for Boy Scouts that get their Eagle Scout? Last I checked girls weren't in the BSA. Should all scholorships be open to everyone? What about scholorships for Native Americans? How about scholorships for African Americans? Should those be open to white women? Once again, my point was to point out your hypocrisy and the fact that your point has no arguement so all in all its quite amazing that you're getting so bent out of shape when someone shows you the truth.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiveNFlorida 0 #22 May 17, 2005 "Accepted by who? Men tend to think you are not as capable of what? " Basically, it seems to me that women have to prove themselves a lot more than men do when it comes to math and science. Maybe i'm wrong, but this is the feeling I get when I walk into these classes... the vibe from my male counterparts is generally that I don't belong there. That usually goes away after the first exam or two when i'm keeping pace with everyone else and asking questions in class that others find interesting. I have also been told by many people that going into school for engineering as a woman is harder, but since i'm not a man I admittedly can't make a fair comparison. Quote As far as scholarships go, I think in general that they are all a good thing and that whoever sets them up SHOULD be able to have to money go to the persons of their choosing. I can see this. But, I guess it still feels a little upsetting to be excluded; especially since i'm not joined by many other excluded groups. When I see scholarships for Jewish people I am not as upset. Not sure why, maybe since there are so many other groups being excluded, not just atheist, I am not so upset. Quote True, offerring scholarships in a narrow category of people seems a bit strange to me, whether the category is women, blacks, jews, men, gays, or whatever, but at least it's a case of people helping people. I agree to an extent. If it really seems like a group is struggling, then I guess I can accept the fact that people are offering them more help. I suppose I see it like financial aid to the poor... I am not rich, but at least I have credit, so I understand that people who have less money than me get more help. If it has been proven that in a certain field there aren't as many black people going to school for it because they have less exposure, I can understand incentives being given to help bring them in. I don't understand just general woman scholarships, women in engineering, yes.. women, no. ( I think there are about equal counterpart of men/women in colleges.) I don't understand why men should get their own scholarship exclusive of women... especially given that they are typically better off and more well supported in academics throughout their lives. -A Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
uponone 0 #23 May 17, 2005 I'm trying to understand why that website makes you upset. It's a fraternity offering a scholarship to its members (men). I don't see what upsets you? It's like me getting mad at a sorority offering a scholarship to its members (women). It sounds to me like you just wanted to start an argument, are you a man-hater? Do you shave or are you all-natural? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RfukfreeflyingW 0 #24 May 17, 2005 Quote But, males have not been oppressed to the best of my knowledge. So, i'm trying to understand why this scholarship is not opened to everyone, but only men. As a man you are eligible for a number of non-exclusive, financial or merit based scholarships. I don't see why this should be exclusive. I am considering applying to it! Angela. I'm really confused as to why you have to have been oppressed to receive help. our Men not in need of any help simply because they are men? Quote sometimes they give admission to people based on life circumstances (did the person have it rough, and still make it through with good grades?, etc) So, don't assume it was just because she was female! so if a man had to make it through a tough time would it be ok to give help geared towards him? I'm just lost on the logic of how u think its ok to offer "exclusive" scholarships to just about every group except men. And I do believe that some of the slaves in america, and a few of the Jews that suffered the holocaust, and atleast one or two of the hispanics that have come to the U.S. are men... but I guess because they havent been formally oppressed as a "group" it makes them different.... Ooh how bout this, when they did that whole draft thing u know for just about everyone of America's war's, now correct me If I'm wrong I think only men got drafted, and lots of them died. Is that enough oppression for you? or is it the government sticking it to women again because we wouldn't draft them.. hmm guess its just another one of those "exclusive" men only benefits---- -God, you are the perfect amount of dumb... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2fat2fly 0 #25 May 17, 2005 especially given that they are typically better off and more well supported in academics throughout their lives. Please move this to SC so that I can respond. ThanksI am not the man. But the man knows my name...and he's worried Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
