"You need to eat more"

[jenfly00 0]

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Just being picky....

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...all that muscle they gained slowly turns back to fat...

Is not accurate. Muscle and fat are two different things.

In terms of work load on the heart, they pretty much are.

In this respect, the muscle bound guy just as unhealthy as someone morbibly obese.

jen

That's really not true. Fat is atherogenic....leads to atherosclerosis, which leads to coronary artery disease, peripheral vascular disease, etc. Muscle does not do this. Central obesity is the most unhealthy, but also the easiest fat to mobilize--fat around internal organs. Fat on your butt and thighs aren't as bad.

Muscle mass is by far preferable to fat mass...

linz

Outside my area, I've heard middle aged muscle bound guys and the seriously serious athletes have HUGE hearts and dangerously inefficient pumping action in middle age ? I've heard it compared to the seriously obese. Is this just urban legend ...or something made up by envious fat people?

jen

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"O brave new world that has such people in it".

[Lindsey 0]

Outside my area, I've heard middle aged muscle bound guys and the seriously serious athletes have HUGE hearts and dangerously inefficient pumping action in middle age ? I've heard it compared to the seriously obese. Is this just urban legend ...or something made up by envious fat people?

I think that what you've heard is partly true. It would not be true with serious athletes, who typically are in excellent cardiovascular condition. A lot of the huge muscle-bound guys also take steroids and other supplements which can lead to the problems you're talking about. I would not expect muscle mass, itself, to cause heart disease, unless associated with vascular disease. Anabolic steroids cause vascular disease. A person with huge muscles, who also has clean arteries, will not have the increased peripheral resistance to cause his/her heart to enlarge.

Peace~
linz

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Today, compliments like "you're so pretty" truly annoy me.

I don't know what to think of that other than it sounds over the top. A person is their looks, their personality, their emotional makeup, their intellect, their empathy, their morals. The whole package. Some is easy to recognize right away, like fitness or appearance. Others take time to learn. So physical compliments occur much sooner than the other stuff.

And to compliment someone on the more abstract stuff too early in a relationship is an insult or attempt to manipulate. You just can't expect someone sincere to compliment your personality until they really are exposed to it.

To minimize any of those items is a loss in my book. And to say they don't care about looks is just another facet of being hung up on looks.

Now, if someone says you're pretty, it's a compliment. But if they only comment about looks and never bring up other things over time, like how well you treat or care about people, or how nice it is to talk about things with you, or that it's fun to be together, etc. Then that would become annoying.

In any case, "skinny" is not necessarily pretty. But "fit" surely is.

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[jenfly00 0]

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Today, compliments like "you're so pretty" truly annoy me.

I don't know what to think of that other than it sounds over the top. A person is their looks, their personality, their emotional makeup, their intellect, their empathy, their morals. The whole package. Some is easy to recognize right away, like fitness or appearance. Others take time to learn. So physical compliments occur much sooner than the other stuff.

And to compliment someone on the more abstract stuff too early in a relationship is an insult or attempt to manipulate. You just can't expect someone sincere to compliment your personality until they really are exposed to it.

To minimize any of those items is a loss in my book. And to say they don't care about looks is just another facet of being hung up on looks.

Now, if someone says you're pretty, it's a compliment. But if they only comment about looks and never bring up other things over time, like how well you treat or care about people, or how nice it is to talk about things with you, or that it's fun to be together, etc. Then that would become annoying.

In any case, "skinny" is not necessarily pretty. But "fit" surely is.

Nothing wrong with a sincere compliment. However, the pervasive social custom is to judge women by how they look.

The first thing to roll out of anyones's mouth upon meeting a friend's wife or girlfriend is a comment about how she looks. It is this focus that undermines and belittles the value of women.

I'm in complete agreement that fitness is attractive.

jen

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"O brave new world that has such people in it".

[Rebecca 0]

But is it bad to judge people on looks at first? If I meet anyone for the first time, the first thing I even can judge is looks. I'm fairly certain I've said to my friends, more than once, upon first meeting an SO, "Wow, she's/he's good-looking!" or "What a great smile!", or "You really ARE as good-looking as (friend) said!"

I guess it's in my nature to compliment most people, simply because it's the fastest way to put people at ease, give them a boost, and start things off comfortably. Don't get me wrong, I'm always sincere - and if there's nothing nice to say, I say nothing - I just enjoy giving and getting sincere compliments.

you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel loquacious?' -- well do you, punk?

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What is with people saying this to thin people?

America is overall, an obese and disgustingly unhealthy nation and that seems to be acceptable by most people; and a lot of people who are thin and in shape are assumed to have an eating disorder or they simply don't eat enough. Maybe it's that they are healhty and not a fat pig like most people. They work out and are active instead of a lazy couch bum who eats twinkies for dinner.

Ever think that maybe all thin people aren't anorexic and they just care enough about their bodies to keep it in shape, or hell, maybe they just have a speedy gonzalez metabolism.

I'd say it's just as insulting to tell someone they need to eat more as it is to tell someone they are fat.

/rant

*and now, back to your regularly scheduled program*

I used to be quite insulted by similar comments. I was slim, trim and athletic and while I was blind to it at the time, I had an eating disorder. I thought nobody knew ...they did and would occasionally make comments like "you need to eat more". I considered them fat, lazy slobs who were jealous

Looking back to this time of my life (13 years ago), I understand their comments were well intended and perhaps even helped me to come to terms with my problem.

The incidence of eating disorders is quite high ...particularly with women. It has been estimated that perhaps one in four women in the US under the age of 40 ( one in three, under age 30) have significant eating disorders at some time in their lives. Some don't eat, some secretly binge and purge (or compensate with insane amounts of exercise).

I'm not saying you have an eating disorder. I don't know you, but if you get these comments rather frequently ...

jen

I'm sorry that you had an eating disorder and lucky for you, you realized it and helped yourself. I most deffinately do not have any sort of eating disorder. Thanks for the concern, though.

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