MarkM 0 #101 May 19, 2005 QuoteHonestly, I think it's all rooted in a generation gone by. When my mother was around 11 or 12(this would've been close to 60 years ago) her doctor ordered her to drink a malt a day because she was too skinny. So yeah, it could be one of those generational hold overs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #102 May 19, 2005 I don't know....there may be *something* to that, but I think that nutritionally the difference would be negligible. If you don't chew your meat, would it be the same difference???? Got me.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #103 May 19, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteHow about juices that are purees Fresh fruit usually has fiber, which means that you get full as you eat it more easily. Juice, dried fruit, and purees allow you to eat more before you begin to feel full (even if they're unsweetened). Wendy W. But, regardless of how they make you feel (full, not full) i'm asking about why "You get lots of glucose in fruit juices, and they DO do all of those things.... " is true. If you drink a servings worth of fruit puree vs eating a serving of fruit, what is the difference (aside from fiber and the feeling of fullness?) -A In addition to the answers that you got below your original post, a lot of fruit juices have added sugars, which make them a less healthy choice, overall...Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slappie 9 #104 May 19, 2005 QuoteQuoteWhoa... look what I started. Jeebus. -Chelle Well if you had just posted the pictures like I aksed this whole thread would have gone a totally different direction. BTW its never to late What Ron, you didn't get any pictures? Damn dude you have no idea what your missing. I'm not sure she would want me sharing the ones I have. Sorry bro.. you missed out. Maybe next time. "Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #105 May 19, 2005 QuoteAngela, The fiber in fruit balances out the glucose. When you remove the fiber (i.e.; concentrating just the juice), you remove the balance. Mastication of fruit also signals your brain to fire up your metabolism. You don't masticate fruit juice. Am I the only one that when I first say that thought this thread was going in VERY different direction?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slappie 9 #106 May 19, 2005 QuoteQuoteAngela, The fiber in fruit balances out the glucose. When you remove the fiber (i.e.; concentrating just the juice), you remove the balance. Mastication of fruit also signals your brain to fire up your metabolism. You don't masticate fruit juice. Am I the only one that when I first say that thought this thread was going in VERY different direction? No but you've tried a few times to hijack this thread. You need some more practice. SC just doesn't give you the Postwhore skills you need to hijack a bonfire thread. Go get some jedi skills my lil grasshoppah. You will one day be able to take a serious thread about food and turn it into a sex tirade with pictures of boobies and ladies underware. Just not now... "Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #107 May 19, 2005 QuoteWhat Ron, you didn't get any pictures? Damn dude you have no idea what your missing. I'm not sure she would want me sharing the ones I have. Sorry bro.. you missed out. Maybe next time. Well no one really loves me in bonfire....Or in SC....Or in General....Or in....Ah hell, now I'm depressed. Atleast some like me in "Incidents" (not to be confused with how others want to see me IN Incidents) and Relative Work folks seem to tolerate me, hell even some listen to me. The Tunnel folks are just pissed at me cause I have been to Bragg. But as of yet, no PM'ed naked pics of hot chicks."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #108 May 19, 2005 QuoteRelative Work folks seem to tolerate me, hell even some listen to me. Sorry, what was that? ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiveNFlorida 0 #109 May 19, 2005 QuoteI don't know....there may be *something* to that, but I think that nutritionally the difference would be negligible. If you don't chew your meat, would it be the same difference???? Got me.... That was my thought, Lindsey. I puree the stuff in my mouth, I don't swallow the fruit whole. Unless there is some differential equation I don't know about that proves that fiber when broken down by puree actually further degrades in nutritional value over time. Lord knows I don't swallow whole chunks of apple! I can see how juicing something and straining out parts of the fruit would affect the nutrition, but am not sure on purees, smoothies and the like. nutrients0 - d2(nutrients)/d(t)2 = nutrientst Ok, I know, i'm a dork (and am not up on my diff eq lately, either, lol!) And, mnealtx, I am well aware of the sugars added to many juices, but they are required to list that in the contents. -A Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
craichead 0 #110 May 19, 2005 It's not that they're nutritionally different...it's the effect of eating whole fruit making you feel more full for a longer period of time--very important for people on a diet, prevents overeating and all that. The chunks of apple I swallow after chewing are still bigger than what I would ingest from a puree, take longer for my body to break down, thereby slowing sugar absorbtion. I'm guessing it takes a lot more fruit (which means more calories) for a puree to make you feel full and to kill the cravings for more food. (I wonder how much fruit goes into the average puree?) Also, if the sugars in the fruit are "more accessible" to your body in a puree, your body uses them faster, your blood sugar levels rise and drop faster, and you get hungry sooner...leading you to eat more than you should, etc. Again, I don't really know...but that's how I've come to understand it after seriously being on the South Beach diet for the past three months. _Pm__ "Scared of love, love and aeroplanes...falling out, I said takes no brains." -- Andy Partridge (XTC) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,588 #111 May 19, 2005 An apple makes about 1/4 cup of puree or applesauce. Maybe. Which makes you feel more full? It takes less time to eat the applesauce, and the sugars in it (even unsweetened applesauce) are absorbed more quickly into your system because the consistency causes more of it to come in contact with your stomach and intestinal lining at once. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiveNFlorida 0 #112 May 19, 2005 Well, who knows, I need scentific proof to believe some things. I can understand about the feeling of fullness, but i'd attribute that to it taking a little longer to eat the equivalent of whole fruit with compare to the time it takes to drink puree. But, I don't drink until i'm full, that'd be a lot of puree! I usually have a bit with breakfast, of half a bottle on the way to school. The Odwalla juice serving size is half a bottle, so i'm trying to split the juice up and only fill the bottles half way:p I'm no expert, as you can plainly see here, but I tend to question things that don't make much sense to me. The SB Diet sounds really good, btw. I read a little of it when I stayed with Katie & Ian, but wouldn't have the time to commit to that right now anyhow:*( -A Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyMan 7 #113 May 19, 2005 QuoteI wonder how much fruit goes into the average puree? I think that's a big part of it - how many people have made smoothies, where the very first thing they do is add an entire banana, and then proceed to add in strawberries and blueberries? If they'd sat down and eaten the fruit one piece at a time they wouldn't have had nearly as much. It all adds up to a LOT of calories. Pureeing fruit makes it a lot easier to eat huge quantities. _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jenfly00 0 #114 May 19, 2005 QuoteJust being picky.... Quote...all that muscle they gained slowly turns back to fat... Is not accurate. Muscle and fat are two different things. In terms of work load on the heart, they pretty much are. In this respect, the muscle bound guy just as unhealthy as someone morbibly obese. jen----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
craichead 0 #115 May 19, 2005 QuoteThe SB Diet sounds really good, btw. I read a little of it when I stayed with Katie & Ian, but wouldn't have the time to commit to that right now anyhow:*( It's been working pretty well for me and Andy. It's essentially a diabetic's diet. It was written by a cardiologist, and he tried it on himself, then gave it to his patients who were having serious heart problems and developing Type II diabetes. In several cases, cholesterol levels dropped to normal and the Type II diabetes were reversed just from the diet! The science behind the diet that he explains in the book is pretty interesting. Unfortunately it does take extra time (and money) to prepare the meals because you have to go shopping every few days. Fresh ingredients are so very important. It's a lot easier when you've got a buddy to help you prepare meals and kick yer butt to stick to it. _Pm__ "Scared of love, love and aeroplanes...falling out, I said takes no brains." -- Andy Partridge (XTC) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #116 May 19, 2005 QuoteQuoteJust being picky.... Quote...all that muscle they gained slowly turns back to fat... Is not accurate. Muscle and fat are two different things. In terms of work load on the heart, they pretty much are. In this respect, the muscle bound guy just as unhealthy as someone morbibly obese. jen That's really not true. Fat is atherogenic....leads to atherosclerosis, which leads to coronary artery disease, peripheral vascular disease, etc. Muscle does not do this. Central obesity is the most unhealthy, but also the easiest fat to mobilize--fat around internal organs. Fat on your butt and thighs aren't as bad. Muscle mass is by far preferable to fat mass... linz Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jenfly00 0 #117 May 19, 2005 QuoteWhat is with people saying this to thin people? America is overall, an obese and disgustingly unhealthy nation and that seems to be acceptable by most people; and a lot of people who are thin and in shape are assumed to have an eating disorder or they simply don't eat enough. Maybe it's that they are healhty and not a fat pig like most people. They work out and are active instead of a lazy couch bum who eats twinkies for dinner. Ever think that maybe all thin people aren't anorexic and they just care enough about their bodies to keep it in shape, or hell, maybe they just have a speedy gonzalez metabolism. I'd say it's just as insulting to tell someone they need to eat more as it is to tell someone they are fat. /rant *and now, back to your regularly scheduled program* I used to be quite insulted by similar comments. I was slim, trim and athletic and while I was blind to it at the time, I had an eating disorder. I thought nobody knew ...they did and would occasionally make comments like "you need to eat more". I considered them fat, lazy slobs who were jealous Looking back to this time of my life (13 years ago), I understand their comments were well intended and perhaps even helped me to come to terms with my problem. The incidence of eating disorders is quite high ...particularly with women. It has been estimated that perhaps one in four women in the US under the age of 40 ( one in three, under age 30) have significant eating disorders at some time in their lives. Some don't eat, some secretly binge and purge (or compensate with insane amounts of exercise). I'm not saying you have an eating disorder. I don't know you, but if you get these comments rather frequently ... jen----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiveNFlorida 0 #118 May 19, 2005 Well, I love fresh foods, shopping, and cooking! But, the lack of time is what makes it impossible. I am home for about an hour after I wake up while I prepare to leave, and for about an hour before I go to bed... doesn't leave much time for anything, really. It sounds like I could use the diet, though, because high cholesterol runs in my family and mine was 225 last I checked -A Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiveNFlorida 0 #119 May 19, 2005 QuoteI used to be quite insulted by similar comments. I was slim, trim and athletic and while I was blind to it at the time, I had an eating disorder. I thought nobody knew ...they did and would occasionally make comments like "you need to eat more". I considered them fat, lazy slobs who were jealous Looking back to this time of my life (13 years ago), I understand their comments were well intended and perhaps even helped me to come to terms with my problem. The incidence of eating disorders is quite high ...particularly with women. It has been estimated that perhaps one in four women in the US under the age of 40 ( one in three, under age 30) have significant eating disorders at some time in their lives. Some don't eat, some secretly binge and purge (or compensate with insane amounts of exercise). I'm not saying you have an eating disorder. I don't know you, but if you get these comments rather frequently ... How did you come to the conclusion that you did indeed have a problem? How do you feel you fell into the problem in the first place? Media and the idea that thin=beautiful? Thanks for sharing that. I am sure that many who have these problems would read your post and discount it as they are "healthy" and how could there be such a thing as working out too much?! When I look at my body in the mirror it is not what it used to be. I am not "fat" but I am no longer thin, either. I used to have no tummy fat at all, now I have a more womanly figure. I try to consider that thin is not necessarily beautiful, that it is all media hype, but it does weigh on you regardless of whether you think so or now. The idea of what is beautiful has sure changed over time. -A Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smiles 0 #120 May 19, 2005 hmmm, you do not need to eat more- infact your appetite is probably exact for food you eat & physical activity you get. Nurses are on their feet all day moving- but noticed many are way over weight. My hubby works hard in the bush falling trees all day, climbing around, carrying heavy weight- physical work---he eats like a horse, but works it off and is in top physical condition. Re: muscles are rock hard- lean mean working machine. Anywho- I think the problem is most of our population doesn't do physical work needed to work off what they eat- and keep in good physical shape. Some of us are thin for our build- but our appetite or what we eat, is equal to the physical activity we get. Others are over weight and work sitting at a desk all day- along with a huge appetite and no physical activity to balance. Others are over weight and work out all the time, dieting, and still over weight, ...gain weight eating a apple, needing way more physical activity each day than they get. I think eating our largest meal at dinner time is a mistake. Eat, lounge, and then go to bed. Anyone eat their largest meal at noon, and have a lunch at dinner?? Also babies have been fed pablem before their system is ready to digest food and this may set them up for a life time of being over weight. Re: food introduced too soon????? SMileseustress. : a positive form of stress having a beneficial effect on health, motivation, performance, and emotional well-being. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jenfly00 0 #121 May 19, 2005 QuoteHow did you come to the conclusion that you did indeed have a problem? How do you feel you fell into the problem in the first place? Media and the idea that thin=beautiful? How did it start? I really don't know. Like everyone, I wanted to be attractive and popular. Vomiting the occasional large mean actually seemed a reasonable cure for a bit of culinary indiscretion. Somehow I got all wrapped up in it. The realization and cure came about through a long, indirect and circuitous route ...feminist studies I became deeply involved in women's issues in college ...how we were viewed, treated and how we conducted our lives. Over a period of time, I came to realize that, as women, we had to assume some responsibility for perpetuating the view that our value was tied to our looks. I started to examine my life. One of the eye openers were comments I heard a woman in her 60's make concerning the years of her life she had wasted shopping for, discussing, reading about, applying and purchasing products like makeup, skin care, wrinkle remover, diet aids, clothing styles, hair styles, shoes ...the list seems pretty much endless. I started really listening to the discussion of my female friends and co-workers and it pretty much centered on the stuff above (My god!, were we actually that shallow?!?. My first major 'insight' came from the realization that at the end of my life, I didn't want to come to the realization that I had wasted years and years of precious life concerned about just the right foundation, eyeliner or shoe style. yada, yada, yada ...the last ten years have been a most incredible journey. I have made great strides in appreciating me for who I am and not for who society thinks I should be. Today, compliments like "you're so pretty" truly annoy me. Men who focus their comments on 'how beautiful' I am tell me they aren't very interested in who I am. I'm no longer the popular, polite gal that everybody likes, for my views and actions have become rather strange and threatening to those who spend their lives dancing the tribal dance. On the plus side, I am more at peace with who I am, overall happier, more independant and the quality of my relationships has substantially improved. No longer do I choose men because they reflect and reinforce my need to be attractive ...and I've found there are men who genuinely appreciate a woman being who she is. QuoteThanks for sharing that. I am sure that many who have these problems would read your post and discount it as they are "healthy" and how could there be such a thing as working out too much?! No doubt. I've learned to spot eating disorders based on personality as much as body size. Denial is a powerful tool. Couple that with the overwhelmingly positive feedback for being so attractive and you get women who are in complete denial and those who realize their problem but consider it a small price to pay for so much gain. QuoteWhen I look at my body in the mirror it is not what it used to be. I am not "fat" but I am no longer thin, either. I used to have no tummy fat at all, now I have a more womanly figure. I try to consider that thin is not necessarily beautiful, that it is all media hype, but it does weigh on you regardless of whether you think so or now. The idea of what is beautiful has sure changed over time. Sigh. I would really like to argue that issue ...but you are right. I like my body. It's healthy, not fat, not thin, active and flexible ...and I enjoy the occasional moment in front of the mirror coming out of the shower, but as you said in another post, it's hard to break with our conditioning ...or even be aware of it. Sorry for the long response (and potential hijack). jen----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #122 May 19, 2005 QuoteI think eating our largest meal at dinner time is a mistake. Eat, lounge, and then go to bed. Anyone eat their largest meal at noon, and have a lunch at dinner?? When I'm actively losing weight, I skip breakfast, eat whatever I want for lunch, and have a salad for dinner (with minimal "goodies" on it). When I hit a "wall", I spend a couple days of watching what I eat for lunch too, until I start losing again. I also work out very hard in between work and the salad. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiveNFlorida 0 #123 May 19, 2005 QuoteHow did it start? I really don't know. Like everyone, I wanted to be attractive and popular. :( It is sad that what is considered attractive is stick thin, not healthy. And, it is even worse that popularity is gained, at least in part, due to ones looks. When I see the plastic surgeries that are done to make girls look like their idols it sickens me. But, this is what many of us are trying to accomplish, at least at some level, without even knowing it. Beauty is always in, right now stick thin is beauty,.. therefore it follows that stick thin is in. And regardless of if you think you care about what is in, it somehow keeps us on the path that has been beaten (into our brains by the media, conversations with others, and our daily surroundings in everyday life.) QuoteThe realization and cure came about through a long, indirect and circuitous route ...feminist studies I am thinking of taking those up! Seriously. Quotemakeup, skin care, wrinkle remover, diet aids, clothing styles, hair styles, shoes ...the list seems pretty much endless. I started really listening to the discussion of my female friends and co-workers and it pretty much centered on the stuff above (My god!, were we actually that shallow?!?. Yes, it is amazing how much time can be saved! I hear women talk about these things all of the time, especially diet aids! I can't even think of how many threads on those things i've seen in the Women's forum here (I have one about hair color out there right now, but mostly because I feel like it was a freedom I lost when I became a professional, why is that?!) Makeup, plastic surgery and diet aids are recurring themes here. Quotebut as you said in another post, it's hard to break with our conditioning ...or even be aware of it. So, true. I am working at becoming more aware. Angela. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiveNFlorida 0 #124 May 19, 2005 QuoteQuoteI think eating our largest meal at dinner time is a mistake. Eat, lounge, and then go to bed. Anyone eat their largest meal at noon, and have a lunch at dinner?? When I'm actively losing weight, I skip breakfast, eat whatever I want for lunch, and have a salad for dinner (with minimal "goodies" on it). When I hit a "wall", I spend a couple days of watching what I eat for lunch too, until I start losing again. I also work out very hard in between work and the salad. Blues, Dave Of course you are losing weight, you are starving! One large meal and a salad likely doesn't carry a decent amount of energy. Then you work out, too?! Not that i'm a nutritionist, but that doesn't sound very healthy to me. -A Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #125 May 20, 2005 QuoteOf course you are losing weight, you are starving! One large meal and a salad likely doesn't carry a decent amount of energy. Then you work out, too?! Not that i'm a nutritionist, but that doesn't sound very healthy to me. Well, the concept of losing weight/burning fat pretty much requires burning more calories than I take in. "Whatever I want" for lunch usually involves a bunch of calories, and the salad is definitely man-sized. I try to limit the high calorie goodies that make salads taste better, but some light sour cream & salsa, and a couple slices of avocado, or some cheese, or a bit of sunflower seeds (sometimes all of the above!) add to the caloric intake. I'll usually take in over 2000 calories a day when I'm doing this. I just burn considerably more than that, thus the weight loss. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
