SkydiveNFlorida 0 #76 May 18, 2005 QuoteAmerica is overall, an obese and disgustingly unhealthy nation and that seems to be acceptable by most people; and a lot of people who are thin and in shape are assumed to have an eating disorder or they simply don't eat enough. Maybe it's that they are healhty and not a fat pig like most people. They work out and are active instead of a lazy couch bum who eats twinkies for dinner. Not all who are heavier than you eat twinkies for dinner. But, some people are just too thin. Matter of fact, too little body fat is unhealthy, just like too much is. I saw a toothpick at B&N yesterday that made me stare. If she didn't have an eating disorder, then she has hyperthyroidism or something. I have no idea how much you weigh, or your body condition, i'm just responding to the post. Being thin is not necessarily bad, but it isn't necessarily good, either. My aunt is thin and her cholesterol is +300. I'm not skinny but i'm not fat and certainly don't eat twinkies for dinner (or ever!) and my cholesterol is 225. -A Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mailin 0 #77 May 18, 2005 ha! Try moving to an isolated island then - this is America, land of the "take your money and you have very little say in it" Very few things will affect peoples quality of life than weight management. We might be living longer, but at the current rate those remaining years will be horrible due to the lifetime of flab and sugar. JenArianna Frances Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steel 0 #78 May 18, 2005 QuoteHow about not taking the money in the first place! I'll be more than happy to have my tax dollars used to subsidize alternative fuels, enhance inner city schools, pay teachers more, family planning, or any number of other "social programs". What I won't abide is paying people to NOT EAT. I am by no means defending fat lazy people, but your line of reasoning is flawed. If anything over weight people will save your tax money, because they will die younger and therefore use up less benifits. Yes they will on average definately die younger. Life expectancy has already been cited on many studies as actually going down inspite of all the new medical break throughs because of obesity.If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass. Can't think of anything I need No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound. Nothing to eat, no books to read. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #79 May 18, 2005 QuoteQuote...and people can get so overwhelmed by the task of losing weight. At an adolescent weight-loss clinic that I worked at a few years ago, the doctor would first not focus on weight with the kids, but on getting them off of cokes, and onto diet drinks or (better) water. Lots of folks will put away 4 or 5 regular cokes in a day, and that's 500 calories! It's amazing how much weight people can lose just by changing what they drink! Same with beer and wine. Hard liquor doesn't make you fat Peace~ linz That is the right idea. However, people still need to remember that a 500 calorie deficit daily will equal 1 pound per week. That means that you will be lucky if you notice a significant loss after a month (at that rate). When people have unrealistic expectations the give up before they have had a chance to fail. And 1 pound a week is 52 pounds a year. linz Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slappie 9 #80 May 18, 2005 QuoteHow about not taking the money in the first place! I'll be more than happy to have my tax dollars used to subsidize alternative fuels, enhance inner city schools, pay teachers more, family planning, or any number of other "social programs". What I won't abide is paying people to NOT EAT. Then quit paying taxes. Move to a socialist country. Whatever. You pay the taxes stfu about where it goes. You can't control it and damn I get tired of listening to hollier then thou porch preachers talking smack about "my tax dollars" just stfu dude... jeez "Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mattjw916 2 #81 May 18, 2005 All those people who are dying "young" are going to be a huge burden on the health care system, probably don't have insurance, and yes I will still be paying for them, just out of another pot of money.NSCR-2376, SCR-15080 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steel 0 #82 May 18, 2005 QuoteAll those people who are dying "young" are going to be a huge burden on the health care system, probably don't have insurance, and yes I will still be paying for them, just out of another pot of money. Ok I am out of here to finally planning some tennis. How is that for cardio.If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass. Can't think of anything I need No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound. Nothing to eat, no books to read. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #83 May 18, 2005 QuoteIt's not that black & white It really is. QuoteI continued to eat as I usually did minus the gym part of it. I didn't necessarily put two and two together. Did you really think that you could not workout and still eat like you did? For a 20 year old that should not be news. Its like if someone told me today that they did not know that smoking was bad for them. QuoteButterscotch... with a HUGE "fat free!" label on it. Must be good if its fat free right? HELLLOOOO???!! It's 100% sugar! it has no fat! The label says that right on it. If you read the label you will see it printed right there. QuoteBut people will buy it thinking its better for them than something else - cause it says fat free... People should read the label, not just the ad. People will not just buy a car without reading the fine print, why would you eat something without knowing what is in it? QuoteIt's a scary world out there when it comes to foods. Fat free or sugar free items are not helping at all - if anything they are causing people to gain even more weight. But they're still trying, they're buying something fat free after all In todays world with all the TV programs and the internet, not to mention programs like Weight Watchers I find it very hard to believe that the information is not out there. It is a persons responsibility to go forth and seek it out. I really fail to understand how people can't know that you cannot eat more calories than you burn and not gain weight."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slappie 9 #84 May 18, 2005 QuoteAll those people who are dying "young" are going to be a huge burden on the health care system, probably don't have insurance, and yes I will still be paying for them, just out of another pot of money. Just how do you know they don't have insurance? Just because their fat they don't have insurance? Please tell me how this is going to cost you "your tax dollars" Since when have you had control over where your money is being spent by the goverment? I would love to know. You might want to check out google and see where some of your tax dollars are spent. Funding a program to figure out what shit flies are more attracted to. Cow or Pig. But, I digress you control your tax dollars.... So go back to the gym, eat your wheat grass and tell everyone who's not cut and in perfect health to go to hell. You could careless. "Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slappie 9 #85 May 18, 2005 I'm done before Remitard bans me again... Good luck to you mattjw916. I hope you find the xanadu you're looking for. This country isn't it. Oh and when you figure out the secret to controling what the goverment does with your tax dollars please share it with us all.. kk thx. "Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,587 #86 May 18, 2005 QuoteAll those people who are dying "young" are going to be a huge burden on the health care system, probably don't have insurance, and yes I will still be paying for them, just out of another pot of money. Kind of like how skydivers don't have insurance and still keep jumping, right? Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiveNFlorida 0 #87 May 18, 2005 QuoteThink fruit is good for you? Think again. Fresh fruit is VERY good for you. Eat it. The sugar in fruit is not sugar that drives your blood insulin to sky-hi levels, causes you to store fat, and makes you want to eat more (via drop in inuslin later). Fresh fruits and vegetables are some of the most healthy food you can eat. Eat LOTS of it.... Now fruit JUICES are a different story. Going to the grocery store for a can of orange juice is bad juju.... You get lots of glucose in fruit juices, and they DO do all of those things.... linz How about juices that are purees? Why are they worse than just fruit? If the contents of the juice is 100% fruit, why the diff? -A Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,587 #88 May 18, 2005 QuoteHow about juices that are purees Fresh fruit usually has fiber, which means that you get full as you eat it more easily. Juice, dried fruit, and purees allow you to eat more before you begin to feel full (even if they're unsweetened). Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiveNFlorida 0 #89 May 18, 2005 QuoteQuoteHow about juices that are purees Fresh fruit usually has fiber, which means that you get full as you eat it more easily. Juice, dried fruit, and purees allow you to eat more before you begin to feel full (even if they're unsweetened). Wendy W. But, regardless of how they make you feel (full, not full) i'm asking about why "You get lots of glucose in fruit juices, and they DO do all of those things.... " is true. If you drink a servings worth of fruit puree vs eating a serving of fruit, what is the difference (aside from fiber and the feeling of fullness?) -A Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mattjw916 2 #90 May 18, 2005 QuoteOk I am out of here to finally planning some tennis. How is that for cardio. werd... I'm going to go for a run in about 30 min.NSCR-2376, SCR-15080 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Conundrum 1 #91 May 18, 2005 Whoa... look what I started. Jeebus. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mattjw916 2 #92 May 18, 2005 QuoteKind of like how skydivers don't have insurance and still keep jumping, right? Wendy W. That has NOTHING to do with the fact that 63%* of Americans are "obese". A few skydivers hooking it in here and there will NEVER be significant enough to create an undue burden on the taxpayers of America. *gleaned from a 2 second google.NSCR-2376, SCR-15080 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mattjw916 2 #93 May 18, 2005 There, I made the thread title more appropriate. Peace, out! NSCR-2376, SCR-15080 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #94 May 18, 2005 QuoteWhat makes me really cringe are the people I see at the grocery store whose carts are full of fatty foods, Hungry Man dinners, little/no vegetables or fruits, and a case of "Diet" Coke. Basically 90% of people that shop at Wal-Mart. You know, I've heard variants of this enough times to say something because it's not always in the form of a joke. When I go to McD's, I'll usually get a super-size (well, until they yanked the option) double quarter pounder with cheese meal, with diet coke. I can see the humor in cracking a joke about me thinking I can lose weight by drinking diet coke, despite the monstrous number of garbage calories I'm washing down with it, but that's all it should be...a joke. I'm really not quite that stupid (close sometimes though!) Do you know why I order diet coke? Because I LIKE it. Regular coke is so sweet it makes my face pucker. I could care less how many calories are in something. If I like it, I'll eat/drink it, and if I don't, I won't. Just my $.04 Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyyhi 0 #95 May 18, 2005 Well, I have been on both ends of the spectrum. . .I have been morbidly obese, and now thin and healthy. I have had the fat jokes and the anorexic jokes and everything in between. . . Yeah I hear you Chelle. . .its just that people cannot mind their own business. . .they don't know how. . .________________________________________ Take risks not to escape life… but to prevent life from escaping. ~ A bumper sticker at the DZ FGF #6 Darcy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
craichead 0 #96 May 18, 2005 Well, I just did what I said I was going to do -- I left work at about 4:57pm and got to my front door at 5:47pm. I walked 2.9 miles in 50 minutes. That's a little under 3.5mph. But I guess the 300+ calories I burned don't count because I wasn't really exerting myself at that pace. _Pm__ "Scared of love, love and aeroplanes...falling out, I said takes no brains." -- Andy Partridge (XTC) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyyhi 0 #97 May 18, 2005 QuoteBut, regardless of how they make you feel (full, not full) i'm asking about why "You get lots of glucose in fruit juices, and they DO do all of those things.... " is true. If you drink a servings worth of fruit puree vs eating a serving of fruit, what is the difference (aside from fiber and the feeling of fullness?) Angela, The fiber in fruit balances out the glucose. When you remove the fiber (i.e.; concentrating just the juice), you remove the balance. Mastication of fruit also signals your brain to fire up your metabolism. You don't masticate fruit juice.________________________________________ Take risks not to escape life… but to prevent life from escaping. ~ A bumper sticker at the DZ FGF #6 Darcy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #98 May 19, 2005 QuoteWhoa... look what I started. Jeebus. -Chelle Well if you had just posted the pictures like I aksed this whole thread would have gone a totally different direction. BTW its never to late"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #99 May 19, 2005 Purees would be the same as eating fruit. What I recall from studying this is that when you juice the fruit you lose the fiber, and the relative amounts of fructose and sucrose are altered. Sucrose is broken down into glucose and fructose. Fructose is absorbed slowly. Glucose is absorbed much more rapidly (thus the insulin rise). I can't recall how fructose and glucose affect each others absorption, but there is a relationship there too. So though fruit juice is not BAD for you, per se, you can get too much pretty quickly. Fresh fruit is not so apt to make you fat because of 1)the fiber and 2) the more favorable sugar composition.-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
craichead 0 #100 May 19, 2005 QuotePurees would be the same as eating fruit. Is it really the same, though? I understand how it's still better than just fruit juice because the fiber is still in the mixture. But when you eat whole, fresh fruit, there are bigger chunks of fiber that your body has to break down to get to the sugars. With purees, most of the physical breaking down of the food (chewing and churning) has been taken care of by a blender... I dunno...just my understanding. _Pm__ "Scared of love, love and aeroplanes...falling out, I said takes no brains." -- Andy Partridge (XTC) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
