Viking 0 #26 May 23, 2005 hell no dude Episode I was the best of the Six *messa runnin for tha cover okiday* QuoteHis struggle to accept the darkside what struggle? one minute he is sitting the jedi temple like a good little boy, the next he is hacking off mace's arm, and calling darth sid master, then killing everything in the jedi temple including little kids. i didn't see any struggle. I wouldn't say he easily turned against the dark side in in Jedi. I mean he had to watch his son get the shit shocked out of him while he begs you for his life to want to do it. I thought the family was related to Anikan in some way? His moms side? Quotehe remembered images of her real mother what about seeing pictures of her from her Senator foster-father? Maybe they didn't have the techinal aspects of the entire thing nailed down before they started building the outer shell?I swear you must have footprints on the back of your helmet - chicagoskydiver My God has a bigger dick than your god -George Carlin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
n2skdvn 0 #27 May 23, 2005 QuoteThe man is actually the brother of Obi-Wan. how so??? I thought anakin was his stepbrother .if my calculations are correct SLINKY + ESCULATOR = EVERLASTING FUN my site Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #28 May 23, 2005 QuoteIt didn't explain how Obi-Wan chose the family in which to leave Luke. The man is actually the brother of Obi-Wan. In Episode 2.. Anakin went back to find his mother who had been freed by CLIEGG LARS ..and then he married her. He is the father of OWEN LARS, and BERU WHITESUN is his girlfriend in episode 2. So Lars is his step brother. In Attack of the Clones Anakins mother had been taken prisoner by a hunting party of Tusken Raiders . In Episode 3.. ObiWan leave baby Luke with Owen and Beru. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Viking 0 #29 May 23, 2005 QuoteQuoteIt didn't explain how Obi-Wan chose the family in which to leave Luke. The man is actually the brother of Obi-Wan. In Episode 2.. Anakin went back to find his mother who had been freed by CLIEGG LARS ..and then he married her. He is the father of OWEN LARS, and BERU WHITESUN is his girlfriend in episode 2. So Lars is his step brother. In Attack of the Clones Anakins mother had been taken prisoner by a hunting party of Tusken Raiders . In Episode 3.. ObiWan leave baby Luke with Owen and Beru. oh yaI swear you must have footprints on the back of your helmet - chicagoskydiver My God has a bigger dick than your god -George Carlin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blueskyserenity 0 #30 May 23, 2005 QuoteQuoteIt didn't explain how Obi-Wan chose the family in which to leave Luke. The man is actually the brother of Obi-Wan. In Episode 2.. Anakin went back to find his mother who had been freed by CLIEGG LARS ..and then he married her. He is the father of OWEN LARS, and BERU WHITESUN is his girlfriend in episode 2. So Lars is his step brother. In Attack of the Clones Anakins mother had been taken prisoner by a hunting party of Tusken Raiders . In Episode 3.. ObiWan leave baby Luke with Owen and Beru. very nice summary, i've been trying to tie it all together. I like coconuts. You can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
meloo09 0 #31 May 23, 2005 Though I was not really thrilled about going to see it, I was happy that I did.What you do speaks so loud, I cannot hear what you say. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pyke 0 #32 May 23, 2005 QuoteYep. I HATED the first 30-40 minutes. The acting was amongst the worst I've seen in a LONG time. Well - I have to agree with Ian, but for the whole movie. I found it very disappointing...and pretty much had the same feeling going into the movie, as I did coming out of it.... Didn't care to see it....and now.... I don't care that have. Sorry to all the die-hards out there, but with the advancements in technology...I still felt that it was just far too over done. It was the subtlety(sp) of the first trilogy that held it for me. Carry on..... Kahurangi e Mahearangi, Kiwi, RB #926, AFF-I, FAA Snr. Rigger, RN/BSN/Paramedic Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #33 May 23, 2005 stunning visual special effects did not make up for bad dialogue and bad acting.. while the achievement itself is amazing I find it pretty sad that the best, most believable performance came from a CGI muppet more attention could have certainly been paid to the details... travel times/distances between planets were amazingly convenient... i was also VERY disappointed in the blade work... with the exception of the final fight between Vader and Obi Wan, it didnt look like they'd even rehearsed their sword play.. it was quite obvious when the actors were simply not up to par and Lucas attempted to substitute quick cuts and obscure angles for actual ability… (Samuel Jackson and the entire arrest scene with the Emperor) EP IV (and Sword Master Bob Anderson) were the original inspiration for me to begin studying fencing and later kendo, i was pretty disgusted with the broom swinging antics Nick Gillard put together... even the pseudo chinese sword play and the obvious openings it created for the 'show' aspect from Ep I were better... while it was certainly the best of the recent three, it also seemed clear to me that Lucas has long since lost his original insight and flair for character development (contrast Luke’s struggle thru IV-VI with Vader’s easy fall), believable plot and dialogue that made the 'middle' three movies great.....____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #34 May 23, 2005 QuoteQuoteI felt Anakin's motivation to join the dark side was very, VERY lame, and it couldn't get any lamer. To sum it up in a few non-spoiling words: "Come join the dark side, Anakin. It's really good." "Well, if you say so..." "Shed your 14+ years of Jedi training and go kill everyone you've ever cared about. That's what you've really always wanted to do." "OK. I suppose I could give it a try..." Went and saw it opening night with a bunch of jumpers. We all really thought it was good. On the way home the above was the main problem I had with the movie. Why? Because the acting from Anakin was terrible and dry. The entire climax of the first three movies and the tragedy of all six are dependent on this very moment. While it was nicely shot, and paired up with the scene in Jedi where Luke is being shot with lightning (but the "kill him" attitude of Mace Windu didn't seem to fit).....it wasn't believable. This should have really torn at the heart - to know that he loved her so much that he went to the dark side to save her. It wasn't so much a betrayal of his friends at first, but stronger loyalty to his wife. Then to have his wife turn him away because of it? The idea is classic tragedy stolen from nearly a dozen stories, but Lucas failed once again to bring out any acting from Padme and Anakin. At least Obi-Wan was able to help with the dramatic aspect of it with some decent acting. Also, I feel the Ep 1 battle with Darth Maul is still the best fight in all 6 movies. Too bad he never did anything with Maul (Red-Shirt bad guy), and didn't bring more of duel of the fates music into part 3....a good fusion of the traditional star wars music with the love song and this would have helped bridge the music between the two trilogies. (on a geeky side note, this is very similar to what Luke did in the Dark Empire comic books - go to the Dark Side....but he did it to get close to the reborn Emperor so he could kill him for good) There were plenty of good SW geek moments to be happy about in the movie - 3P0 orders at the end (interesting to know it wasn't R2 - now go back and watch Obi Wan interact with him in Ep 4 with that in mind), the Tantive IV blockade runner that we see Leia on years later, a young Chewy (guess we now know why the Emperor hated Wookies so much), seeing a Z95 Headhunter in action, Yoda's fight and the Emperor running from him (I still don't get why he ran away), Darth Plageous the Wise and talk of creating life via a vergence in the force(and knowing that all 6 movies were the result of strong plotting of Palpatine), Grevious wheezing from what Windu did to him in the cartoon (I still love the rumors that came out during pre-production that Grevious was actually the remnent so Darth Maul and thus showed a trend of Palpatine trying to save his apprentices), Luke meeting Yoda at a young age which connects to the "there is something familiar" comment on Dagobah, the look of Grevious' throne room looking a lot like the room in Ep 6, and finally seeing that last battle which ties is so much of what ObiWan said in Ep 4. Yup, I'm a geek, so what?_________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #35 May 23, 2005 QuoteQuoteIt didn't explain how Obi-Wan chose the family in which to leave Luke. The man is actually the brother of Obi-Wan. In Episode 2.. Anakin went back to find his mother who had been freed by CLIEGG LARS ..and then he married her. He is the father of OWEN LARS, and BERU WHITESUN is his girlfriend in episode 2. So Lars is his step brother. In Attack of the Clones Anakins mother had been taken prisoner by a hunting party of Tusken Raiders . In Episode 3.. ObiWan leave baby Luke with Owen and Beru. For years Owen was listed as the brother of ObiWan (books, RPG books, games, etc). Then when Ep2 came out people were pissed that Lucas had changed it. The continuity factor here? Obi Wan never met Owen and Beru, Padme and Anakin did. Would he have gotten the idea from 3PO? R2?_________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dixieskydiver 0 #36 May 23, 2005 I have a great deal of problems with the overall story, but Yoda was the one that suggested that he go and stay with his family on Tatooine at the end of the 3rd movie. Dixie HISPA #56 Facil Rodriguez "Scientific research has shown that 60% of the time, it works every time." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #37 May 23, 2005 QuoteI have a great deal of problems with the overall story, but Yoda was the one that suggested that he go and stay with his family on Tatooine at the end of the 3rd movie. oops. somehow missed that....but that ties into this my friend found on a forum today: what I want to know is, why didn't Yoda add in after "to his family take him".... "AND NAME HIM LARS! LIKE BAIL IS NAMING LEIA ORGANA! ANYTHING BUT SKYWALKER! You got that Obi-Wan?" I'm just sayin', a kid named Skywalker, living with the Lars' family, on Tatooine?_________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dixieskydiver 0 #38 May 23, 2005 Hahaha I always thought that was kind of dumb. What if he had sent in his application to the Imperial Academy instead of waiting till next season? Dixie HISPA #56 Facil Rodriguez "Scientific research has shown that 60% of the time, it works every time." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chizazz 0 #39 May 24, 2005 I was thinking about the Death Star thing too. They probably started building a 2nd one a few years after the 1st one. Or ol' George Lucas just got silly and HAD to mention the Death Star in the new ones and f**ked the whole story up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dixieskydiver 0 #40 May 24, 2005 Or they built the first one slower and the second one faster. Dixie HISPA #56 Facil Rodriguez "Scientific research has shown that 60% of the time, it works every time." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #41 May 24, 2005 Quote Or they built the first one slower and the second one faster. Or as it is in the movies, the first one was basically 100% fully complete with all systems and everything done (I just rewatched "A New Hope" tonight to get the continuity after watching Ep III this morning). The second one wasn't even near completion, although it was able to fire.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #42 May 24, 2005 QuoteAlso, I feel the Ep 1 battle with Darth Maul is still the best fight in all 6 movies. only if you know NOTHING about actual sword work.. there are subtle elements of several advanced kata in the original Ep VI fight between Vader and Obi Wan, it is literally an engagement between masters with Obi Wan giving Vader and intentional opening that he takes (and so unknowingly loses because of) i took a portion of my juniors fencing class to Ep I when it came out.. even children with less than 6 months fencing time recognized how silly and contrived fight scenes were, and they have only gotten worse since..... Lucas should have recognized that his original fan base has grown up since the first movie and could have easily added the kind of subtle details that would have, should have made the series a classic... instead he merely 'kept pace' with the latest special effects wizardry, pandered to blatant marketing opportunity, did little to inspire his later actors to their character motivations and so lost the core directing sensibility that the generations since have maintained in other genres... my grandkids (if i ever have them) wont be talking about Star Wars.. because the fans and generations he originally inspired will have far surpassed him in the basic story telling ability and the subtlety to tell it well in a manner that makes people want to watch it again and again to discover the nuances.... he set himself a high bar with iv-vi, and IMO failed to reach it with i-iii... [I]divinity is in the details[/I] ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dgm458 0 #43 May 24, 2005 Amazon wrote: QuoteIn Episode 2.. Anakin went back to find his mother who had been freed by CLIEGG LARS ..and then he married her. He is the father of OWEN LARS, and BERU WHITESUN is his girlfriend in episode 2. So Lars is his step brother. In Attack of the Clones Anakins mother had been taken prisoner by a hunting party of Tusken Raiders . ChasingBlueSky wrote: QuoteFor years Owen was listed as the brother of ObiWan (books, RPG books, games, etc). Then when Ep2 came out people were pissed that Lucas had changed it. The continuity factor here? Obi Wan never met Owen and Beru, Padme and Anakin did. Would he have gotten the idea from 3PO? R2? Here is the source of my "confusion." It's been over a year and maybe two since I saw EP 2, but I now remember being confused about the change in the storyline after thinking for almost twenty years that Owen Lars was the brother of Ben Kenobi. My mistake. I knew I should have watched EP's 1 and 2 before seeing 3. QuoteThere were plenty of good SW geek moments to be happy about in the movie I agree. It was neat to see the large trees on the planet Kashyyk (sp?) where the wookies lived. Also-the credits for EP3 listed Tarkin but I never caught him on the movie...he must have been on the imperial star destroyer in the end of the movie. I never saw Lucas' THX1138 in this one either.-------------------------------------------------- Failure to prepare is preparing to fail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dixieskydiver 0 #44 May 24, 2005 Did anyone that has read all of the books that come after VI think that Kashyyyk was poorly done? In the book it´s all trees...but I guess it would have ended up looking like Endor and the Ewoks. Dixie HISPA #56 Facil Rodriguez "Scientific research has shown that 60% of the time, it works every time." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #45 May 24, 2005 I saw the movie last night and i did not like it The fights were so unexciting. It just failed to get me in to it. I am disappointed in the movie.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
