goose491 0 #1 April 20, 2005 Hey all, Jumper03's thread made me realise just how many of you own/ride bikes. Cool! I'm a noob, looking to buy a bike. So far I have decided to spend no more than 4grand CND and that'll get me a used Suzuki GS500, a Suzuki 600/750 Katana or an older model Yamaha FZR 400/500. These are all great starter bikes which priced well for insurance. There are of course other good starter bikes but I've narrowed my desires down to one of these. I'm now charged with putting a quick road trip in order to go out and look at a bunch of private sales. SO! What I'm asking for is tips. What to look for when I go besides the obvious wear/tear/damage. Does anyone know anything specific to these models? Maybe certain maintenance issues I should keep an eye out for? What are some good ideas when buying used? Any info would be greatly appreciated My Karma ran over my Dogma!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
unformed 0 #2 April 20, 2005 i just send you a long ass pm before you made this thread .... so i'll just post it here as well in case anyone else wants it .... ------- i've bought two used bikes in the past, bought from private sellers. the first one was an '83 Honda 750 for $700 that I bought off of ebay. i had emailed the guy before buying it, but never saw it. over email, he told me he was going to a bigger bike and wanted to get rid of this one. when i go to pick it up, the guy is working on the bike, says he barely knows anything about them; turns out he's an auctioneer who bought it for $400 and is reselling it. needless to say, the fucker lasted for four hours. i got it running again a few months later and the mechanic told me to cut my losses and get rid of it. the second bike i bought i found on cycle trader, went to see it. it was a '74 Honda CB550 for $900. he had three bikes in his garage and said he was getting rid of this one to put more money into the other ones. That was four years ago, and I still have it. It's not perfect, but I ride it everyday. The biker community is somewhat like the skykdiving community; they wave at each other when driving past, and shit, it's a common bond. Hence, they don't generally screw over other bikers. Getting a bike I'd look at local sellers, and make sure they actually ride themselves. When you go to look at it, tell them to not turn it on before. You want the engine cold, to see how it starts up. You shouldn't need to put too much effort into it. After a few moments it should run smoothly, idle between 1-2000 RPM. Find out how long its been sitting. If it's sat for a year or so, you'll probably need to clean the carbs and do a bunch of other crap to it which could add a bit of money to it. Bikes like to be maintained much more often than cars. If you know how to ride, the best bet would be to just take it out and see how she rides. If you don't know how to ride, take a motorcycle course before you buy. If you can borrow someones bike for a while as you're learning, that would be helpful as well. You should be able to get a decent running old bike for US $1000-1500. The good thing about old bikes is that its very basic parts and you can do 90% of the maintenance and repairs on it yourself. For $3000 you should be able to get a pretty nice bike as well. For your very first bike, you also want a naked-ish bike. You will eventually drop it, and if it has plastic fairings on it, it'll be expensive to replace. Also, a friend of mine recently bought a bike from the BMW dealership for $5000. They supposedly don't get commission, so I would have no problem buying from them. Beamers are damn good bikes, but a little on the pricey side. It could be worrth it if you have the cash for it.This ad space for sale. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkiD_PL8 0 #3 April 20, 2005 Always look for evidence of the bike being laid down. Scrapes on the bar ends, plastics, broken blinkers, or clutch cover. If it has been down look harder, it is not hard to tweak the frame on a bike and if it is that will pretty much total it as far as any insurance company is concerned. Also ask a lot of questions about how it was maintained, how often the oil was changed, how often it was taken in for service, and ask for papers verifying that if they have them. Also ask how it was stored durring the off season. If they just let it sit with gas in the tank and the battery connected that can be bad news. Other than that, take it out for a ride. If they won't let you, ask them to take you for one or at least listen to them ride it up and down the driveway. If you hear anything odd inquire about it. Greenie in training. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bwilling 0 #4 April 20, 2005 QuoteSo far I have decided to spend no more than 4grand CND and that'll get me a used Suzuki GS500, a Suzuki 600/750 Katana or an older model Yamaha FZR 400/500. Good choices for starter bikes, but don't forget to budget some money for quality riding gear! Dress for success, or really in this case, failure! Here's a couple of places that I've used and like... Motorcycle Closeouts New Enough Helmet Harbor "If all you ever do is all you ever did, then all you'll ever get is all you ever got." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
funks 1 #5 April 20, 2005 Do not get a Katana! I repeat, Do not get a Katana. Possibly the worst imitation of a sport bike ever created. There are plenty of other options besides the katana. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justinb138 0 #6 April 20, 2005 QuoteSo far I have decided to spend no more than 4grand CND and that'll get me a used Suzuki GS500, a Suzuki 600/750 Katana or an older model Yamaha FZR 400/500. IIRC, Sport Rider magazine did a review of 3 of those bikes a few years ago, I'll put the article on here if I can find it. I would advise against the 600/750 Katana. It's much closer to the supersport class than the other two, and may be a bit agressive for a newer rider (I think the resale value is pretty poor as well) Take a look at the Suzuki SV650 and Kawasaki EX500 as well, they're great bikes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites funks 1 #7 April 21, 2005 QuoteQuote I would advise against the 600/750 Katana. It's much closer to the supersport class ugh...please dont use the word supersport and katana in adjoining sentences Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Cyanide41 0 #8 April 21, 2005 The SV650 and EX500 are both great starters. I started on an F3. (which is actually about to go up for sale). Another great starter bike IMO. I agree about the kanotuna... stay away. JAMES Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites leroydb 0 #9 April 21, 2005 if anyone is looking to buy a sv650 let me know... I am looking to upgrade...Leroy ..I knew I was an unwanted baby when I saw my bath toys were a toaster and a radio... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites goose491 0 #10 April 21, 2005 QuoteDo not get a Katana! I repeat, Do not get a Katana. Possibly the worst imitation of a sport bike ever created. There are plenty of other options besides the katana. Just curious, do you say this unaware that the Katana is design-specific to be an "In between" bike? A "Sport-touring" bike is what they call it. What I've gathered (at least the way I interpret it) is that the Katana is second only to the GS500 for someone buying a first bike and who is unsure of whether they want to go with the sport style or cruiser. The only reason I'm looking at it is because I'm really not sure what style of bike I want. I have to be honnest. From what I read, I'm leaning more toward it. It looks like a sport bike but the seating position is much much more upright, lending itself to more comfort on a long trip but still letting you get a feel for the forward lean of say, a GXSR if that's the direction you decide to go in. It also has a longer wheel base for added stability. So you hear of sport bikers saying it's not a good sport bike. I just wonder if it's because of the touring bike type features which appeal to me or if there are other cons that I have not been made aware of? My Karma ran over my Dogma!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites goose491 0 #11 April 21, 2005 QuoteTake a look at the Suzuki SV650 and Kawasaki EX500 as well, they're great bikes. I just took a look at a bunch of SV650s online. I'm really not a fan of the real rounded fairing look. (I know the Katana has that too but I'm looking at pre 98 models). But anyway, some look cooler than others and It seems like an all around good bike. I'll have to add some to my road-trip and see some in person. The EX500 I agree is a great starter bike, it happens to be the first model I considered seriously. However, the insurance companies don't share this view. I stand to save some $1200 a year by riding a "Sport-Cruiser" or a "Sport-touring" bike instead of a "Sport" bike for my first couple years. The FZR400 I'm looking at is an 89 and Insurance is cheap because of it. I suppose if I found an older Ninja the same would apply? My Karma ran over my Dogma!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Squeak 17 #12 April 21, 2005 When katanas 1st came out (at least here in Oz) a lot of guys rode them REALLY hard and consequently many of the 2nd hand ones here in Oz have been flogged out, so they make for a not so good 1st bigger bike. But if you are lucky enough to get one in good condition, I'd jump at it, they were great rdides in their time (& I prfer older bikes anyways)You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jumper03 0 #13 April 21, 2005 QuoteQuoteTake a look at the Suzuki SV650 and Kawasaki EX500 as well, they're great bikes. I just took a look at a bunch of SV650s online. I'm really not a fan of the real rounded fairing look. (I know the Katana has that too but I'm looking at pre 98 models). But anyway, some look cooler than others and It seems like an all around good bike. I'll have to add some to my road-trip and see some in person. The EX500 I agree is a great starter bike, it happens to be the first model I considered seriously. However, the insurance companies don't share this view. I stand to save some $1200 a year by riding a "Sport-Cruiser" or a "Sport-touring" bike instead of a "Sport" bike for my first couple years. The FZR400 I'm looking at is an 89 and Insurance is cheap because of it. I suppose if I found an older Ninja the same would apply? hmm - good points. I still need to call up the insurance lady and see how much that is going to run. Interesting about the Katana too - maybe I'll look into that. I'm up in the air too but I'm hoping to know a lot more about what I want after my class.Scars remind us that the past is real Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites goose491 0 #14 April 21, 2005 Quotehmm - good points. I still need to call up the insurance lady and see how much that is going to run. Yeah, definately do that before buying. You have not ridden in long enough for them to consider you brand new and the difference in premium from one bike to the next is just absurd. I figure I spend very little on a bike that's cheap to insure and the savings will be enough to help me upgrade when I have enough experience to buy what I want and insure it reasonably. QuoteI'm up in the air too but I'm hoping to know a lot more about what I want after my class. Not likely. I thought the same thing before I took the safety course but I really didn't come away from it closer to a decision. It's a personal choice right so all they can do is discuss the differences. Enough of wich you already know. ... tough choice to make isn't it? My Karma ran over my Dogma!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites benforde 0 #15 April 21, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuote I would advise against the 600/750 Katana. It's much closer to the supersport class ugh...please dont use the word supersport and katana in adjoining sentences I agree, Katana is a all around failure, a-suck-at-everything bike. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites benforde 0 #16 April 21, 2005 In that price range, as a starter bike, I would recommend a SUZUKI SV650, a fun, light twin, that needs little tunning the day you want to make it a real fun bike. stock, behaves very nicely and with some mods It wins lots of races in it's class. 2000 was the first year I think. so totally in the price range. Get a good helmet and some gear with the xtra cash! Benji Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites goose491 0 #17 April 21, 2005 Thanks for all the advice guys. And keep it coming. I'm constantly re-evaluating ova-heya. My Karma ran over my Dogma!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites justinb138 0 #18 April 21, 2005 QuoteThanks for all the advice guys. And keep it coming. I'm constantly re-evaluating ova-heya. What kind of bike are you looking for? Where are you going to be riding it (highway mostly, etc) ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites funks 1 #19 April 21, 2005 just get an older CBR F3. 95-98 or so. Even an F4 would be a decent choice. If you want to learn on a decent bike those will suit your needs, sportbike without the hardcore sportbike body position. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jumper03 0 #20 April 21, 2005 QuoteThanks for all the advice guys. And keep it coming. I'm constantly re-evaluating ova-heya. ditto that.Scars remind us that the past is real Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkiD_PL8 0 #21 April 21, 2005 QuoteFrom what I read, I'm leaning more toward it. It looks like a sport bike but the seating position is much much more upright, lending itself to more comfort on a long trip but still letting you get a feel for the forward lean of say, a GXSR if that's the direction you decide to go in. It also has a longer wheel base for added stability. I have ridden both sportbikes and cruisers in all shapes and sizes. In my opinion my favorite for a long road trip is a sportbike because I literally lay on the tank, keeps me from getting numb but syndrome. That is probably with the exception of the honda goldwing. I rode a lot of them at a dealership I used to work for and they are the most comfy bike I have ever ridden. Greenie in training. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites goose491 0 #22 April 21, 2005 Quote That is probably with the exception of the honda goldwing. I rode a lot of them at a dealership I used to work for and they are the most comfy bike I have ever ridden. Yeah, and if you get bored while riding a Goldwing, you can just recline the lazy-boy chair they've got afixed, pop some popcorn in the on-board microwave oven and watch a movie on the big-screen TV in the dashboard. My Karma ran over my Dogma!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bwilling 0 #23 April 21, 2005 Quote2000 was the first year I think. so totally in the price range. Actually 1999 was the first year for the SV650, with little difference in the 1st gen bikes from 1999-2002... they changed a lot in 2003, a new frame design and EFI being a couple of the bigger changes. You may find it cheaper to insure an SV650 than an SV650S (the 'sportier' version of the SV650, quarter fairing, clip on bars, rearsets farther back and up, but same motor), because they usually don't consider the naked a 'sport' bike... it's just a 'standard' motorcycle. "If all you ever do is all you ever did, then all you'll ever get is all you ever got." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites benforde 0 #24 April 22, 2005 I like the non "s" version, the bikini fairing looks totally stupid, plus the 'naked' version is a cheaper and better base to build a small twin race bike. I always rode 4's, R6 and R1 but some good friends had 'em and the 'lil' SV was always a great bike once you re-valved those crap forks... yep that front end was cheap, you can tell zuki saved some cash there. ... in my opinion the older rounder frame looks better, M4 made a bad ass sounding pipe for it too.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites goose491 0 #25 May 20, 2005 Bump! So this is getting a wee bit frustrating. I keep finding listings that I like; I keep arranging to visit some bikes for sale; and the bikes keep selling before I get to go see 'em! lol. It's wild, last night I had two visits arranged, both sold only moments before I called to confirm I was on my way haha! 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funks 1 #7 April 21, 2005 QuoteQuote I would advise against the 600/750 Katana. It's much closer to the supersport class ugh...please dont use the word supersport and katana in adjoining sentences Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Cyanide41 0 #8 April 21, 2005 The SV650 and EX500 are both great starters. I started on an F3. (which is actually about to go up for sale). Another great starter bike IMO. I agree about the kanotuna... stay away. JAMES Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites leroydb 0 #9 April 21, 2005 if anyone is looking to buy a sv650 let me know... I am looking to upgrade...Leroy ..I knew I was an unwanted baby when I saw my bath toys were a toaster and a radio... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites goose491 0 #10 April 21, 2005 QuoteDo not get a Katana! I repeat, Do not get a Katana. Possibly the worst imitation of a sport bike ever created. There are plenty of other options besides the katana. Just curious, do you say this unaware that the Katana is design-specific to be an "In between" bike? A "Sport-touring" bike is what they call it. What I've gathered (at least the way I interpret it) is that the Katana is second only to the GS500 for someone buying a first bike and who is unsure of whether they want to go with the sport style or cruiser. The only reason I'm looking at it is because I'm really not sure what style of bike I want. I have to be honnest. From what I read, I'm leaning more toward it. It looks like a sport bike but the seating position is much much more upright, lending itself to more comfort on a long trip but still letting you get a feel for the forward lean of say, a GXSR if that's the direction you decide to go in. It also has a longer wheel base for added stability. So you hear of sport bikers saying it's not a good sport bike. I just wonder if it's because of the touring bike type features which appeal to me or if there are other cons that I have not been made aware of? My Karma ran over my Dogma!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites goose491 0 #11 April 21, 2005 QuoteTake a look at the Suzuki SV650 and Kawasaki EX500 as well, they're great bikes. I just took a look at a bunch of SV650s online. I'm really not a fan of the real rounded fairing look. (I know the Katana has that too but I'm looking at pre 98 models). But anyway, some look cooler than others and It seems like an all around good bike. I'll have to add some to my road-trip and see some in person. The EX500 I agree is a great starter bike, it happens to be the first model I considered seriously. However, the insurance companies don't share this view. I stand to save some $1200 a year by riding a "Sport-Cruiser" or a "Sport-touring" bike instead of a "Sport" bike for my first couple years. The FZR400 I'm looking at is an 89 and Insurance is cheap because of it. I suppose if I found an older Ninja the same would apply? My Karma ran over my Dogma!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Squeak 17 #12 April 21, 2005 When katanas 1st came out (at least here in Oz) a lot of guys rode them REALLY hard and consequently many of the 2nd hand ones here in Oz have been flogged out, so they make for a not so good 1st bigger bike. But if you are lucky enough to get one in good condition, I'd jump at it, they were great rdides in their time (& I prfer older bikes anyways)You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jumper03 0 #13 April 21, 2005 QuoteQuoteTake a look at the Suzuki SV650 and Kawasaki EX500 as well, they're great bikes. I just took a look at a bunch of SV650s online. I'm really not a fan of the real rounded fairing look. (I know the Katana has that too but I'm looking at pre 98 models). But anyway, some look cooler than others and It seems like an all around good bike. I'll have to add some to my road-trip and see some in person. The EX500 I agree is a great starter bike, it happens to be the first model I considered seriously. However, the insurance companies don't share this view. I stand to save some $1200 a year by riding a "Sport-Cruiser" or a "Sport-touring" bike instead of a "Sport" bike for my first couple years. The FZR400 I'm looking at is an 89 and Insurance is cheap because of it. I suppose if I found an older Ninja the same would apply? hmm - good points. I still need to call up the insurance lady and see how much that is going to run. Interesting about the Katana too - maybe I'll look into that. I'm up in the air too but I'm hoping to know a lot more about what I want after my class.Scars remind us that the past is real Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites goose491 0 #14 April 21, 2005 Quotehmm - good points. I still need to call up the insurance lady and see how much that is going to run. Yeah, definately do that before buying. You have not ridden in long enough for them to consider you brand new and the difference in premium from one bike to the next is just absurd. I figure I spend very little on a bike that's cheap to insure and the savings will be enough to help me upgrade when I have enough experience to buy what I want and insure it reasonably. QuoteI'm up in the air too but I'm hoping to know a lot more about what I want after my class. Not likely. I thought the same thing before I took the safety course but I really didn't come away from it closer to a decision. It's a personal choice right so all they can do is discuss the differences. Enough of wich you already know. ... tough choice to make isn't it? My Karma ran over my Dogma!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites benforde 0 #15 April 21, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuote I would advise against the 600/750 Katana. It's much closer to the supersport class ugh...please dont use the word supersport and katana in adjoining sentences I agree, Katana is a all around failure, a-suck-at-everything bike. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites benforde 0 #16 April 21, 2005 In that price range, as a starter bike, I would recommend a SUZUKI SV650, a fun, light twin, that needs little tunning the day you want to make it a real fun bike. stock, behaves very nicely and with some mods It wins lots of races in it's class. 2000 was the first year I think. so totally in the price range. Get a good helmet and some gear with the xtra cash! Benji Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites goose491 0 #17 April 21, 2005 Thanks for all the advice guys. And keep it coming. I'm constantly re-evaluating ova-heya. My Karma ran over my Dogma!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites justinb138 0 #18 April 21, 2005 QuoteThanks for all the advice guys. And keep it coming. I'm constantly re-evaluating ova-heya. What kind of bike are you looking for? Where are you going to be riding it (highway mostly, etc) ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites funks 1 #19 April 21, 2005 just get an older CBR F3. 95-98 or so. Even an F4 would be a decent choice. If you want to learn on a decent bike those will suit your needs, sportbike without the hardcore sportbike body position. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jumper03 0 #20 April 21, 2005 QuoteThanks for all the advice guys. And keep it coming. I'm constantly re-evaluating ova-heya. ditto that.Scars remind us that the past is real Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkiD_PL8 0 #21 April 21, 2005 QuoteFrom what I read, I'm leaning more toward it. It looks like a sport bike but the seating position is much much more upright, lending itself to more comfort on a long trip but still letting you get a feel for the forward lean of say, a GXSR if that's the direction you decide to go in. It also has a longer wheel base for added stability. I have ridden both sportbikes and cruisers in all shapes and sizes. In my opinion my favorite for a long road trip is a sportbike because I literally lay on the tank, keeps me from getting numb but syndrome. That is probably with the exception of the honda goldwing. I rode a lot of them at a dealership I used to work for and they are the most comfy bike I have ever ridden. Greenie in training. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites goose491 0 #22 April 21, 2005 Quote That is probably with the exception of the honda goldwing. I rode a lot of them at a dealership I used to work for and they are the most comfy bike I have ever ridden. Yeah, and if you get bored while riding a Goldwing, you can just recline the lazy-boy chair they've got afixed, pop some popcorn in the on-board microwave oven and watch a movie on the big-screen TV in the dashboard. My Karma ran over my Dogma!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bwilling 0 #23 April 21, 2005 Quote2000 was the first year I think. so totally in the price range. Actually 1999 was the first year for the SV650, with little difference in the 1st gen bikes from 1999-2002... they changed a lot in 2003, a new frame design and EFI being a couple of the bigger changes. You may find it cheaper to insure an SV650 than an SV650S (the 'sportier' version of the SV650, quarter fairing, clip on bars, rearsets farther back and up, but same motor), because they usually don't consider the naked a 'sport' bike... it's just a 'standard' motorcycle. "If all you ever do is all you ever did, then all you'll ever get is all you ever got." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites benforde 0 #24 April 22, 2005 I like the non "s" version, the bikini fairing looks totally stupid, plus the 'naked' version is a cheaper and better base to build a small twin race bike. I always rode 4's, R6 and R1 but some good friends had 'em and the 'lil' SV was always a great bike once you re-valved those crap forks... yep that front end was cheap, you can tell zuki saved some cash there. ... in my opinion the older rounder frame looks better, M4 made a bad ass sounding pipe for it too.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites goose491 0 #25 May 20, 2005 Bump! So this is getting a wee bit frustrating. I keep finding listings that I like; I keep arranging to visit some bikes for sale; and the bikes keep selling before I get to go see 'em! lol. It's wild, last night I had two visits arranged, both sold only moments before I called to confirm I was on my way haha! At least it shows that I know how to pick 'em. lol If their going that fast eh? Here are the four tires I was on my way to kick last night. My Karma ran over my Dogma!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. 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Cyanide41 0 #8 April 21, 2005 The SV650 and EX500 are both great starters. I started on an F3. (which is actually about to go up for sale). Another great starter bike IMO. I agree about the kanotuna... stay away. JAMES Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
leroydb 0 #9 April 21, 2005 if anyone is looking to buy a sv650 let me know... I am looking to upgrade...Leroy ..I knew I was an unwanted baby when I saw my bath toys were a toaster and a radio... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
goose491 0 #10 April 21, 2005 QuoteDo not get a Katana! I repeat, Do not get a Katana. Possibly the worst imitation of a sport bike ever created. There are plenty of other options besides the katana. Just curious, do you say this unaware that the Katana is design-specific to be an "In between" bike? A "Sport-touring" bike is what they call it. What I've gathered (at least the way I interpret it) is that the Katana is second only to the GS500 for someone buying a first bike and who is unsure of whether they want to go with the sport style or cruiser. The only reason I'm looking at it is because I'm really not sure what style of bike I want. I have to be honnest. From what I read, I'm leaning more toward it. It looks like a sport bike but the seating position is much much more upright, lending itself to more comfort on a long trip but still letting you get a feel for the forward lean of say, a GXSR if that's the direction you decide to go in. It also has a longer wheel base for added stability. So you hear of sport bikers saying it's not a good sport bike. I just wonder if it's because of the touring bike type features which appeal to me or if there are other cons that I have not been made aware of? My Karma ran over my Dogma!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
goose491 0 #11 April 21, 2005 QuoteTake a look at the Suzuki SV650 and Kawasaki EX500 as well, they're great bikes. I just took a look at a bunch of SV650s online. I'm really not a fan of the real rounded fairing look. (I know the Katana has that too but I'm looking at pre 98 models). But anyway, some look cooler than others and It seems like an all around good bike. I'll have to add some to my road-trip and see some in person. The EX500 I agree is a great starter bike, it happens to be the first model I considered seriously. However, the insurance companies don't share this view. I stand to save some $1200 a year by riding a "Sport-Cruiser" or a "Sport-touring" bike instead of a "Sport" bike for my first couple years. The FZR400 I'm looking at is an 89 and Insurance is cheap because of it. I suppose if I found an older Ninja the same would apply? My Karma ran over my Dogma!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #12 April 21, 2005 When katanas 1st came out (at least here in Oz) a lot of guys rode them REALLY hard and consequently many of the 2nd hand ones here in Oz have been flogged out, so they make for a not so good 1st bigger bike. But if you are lucky enough to get one in good condition, I'd jump at it, they were great rdides in their time (& I prfer older bikes anyways)You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumper03 0 #13 April 21, 2005 QuoteQuoteTake a look at the Suzuki SV650 and Kawasaki EX500 as well, they're great bikes. I just took a look at a bunch of SV650s online. I'm really not a fan of the real rounded fairing look. (I know the Katana has that too but I'm looking at pre 98 models). But anyway, some look cooler than others and It seems like an all around good bike. I'll have to add some to my road-trip and see some in person. The EX500 I agree is a great starter bike, it happens to be the first model I considered seriously. However, the insurance companies don't share this view. I stand to save some $1200 a year by riding a "Sport-Cruiser" or a "Sport-touring" bike instead of a "Sport" bike for my first couple years. The FZR400 I'm looking at is an 89 and Insurance is cheap because of it. I suppose if I found an older Ninja the same would apply? hmm - good points. I still need to call up the insurance lady and see how much that is going to run. Interesting about the Katana too - maybe I'll look into that. I'm up in the air too but I'm hoping to know a lot more about what I want after my class.Scars remind us that the past is real Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
goose491 0 #14 April 21, 2005 Quotehmm - good points. I still need to call up the insurance lady and see how much that is going to run. Yeah, definately do that before buying. You have not ridden in long enough for them to consider you brand new and the difference in premium from one bike to the next is just absurd. I figure I spend very little on a bike that's cheap to insure and the savings will be enough to help me upgrade when I have enough experience to buy what I want and insure it reasonably. QuoteI'm up in the air too but I'm hoping to know a lot more about what I want after my class. Not likely. I thought the same thing before I took the safety course but I really didn't come away from it closer to a decision. It's a personal choice right so all they can do is discuss the differences. Enough of wich you already know. ... tough choice to make isn't it? My Karma ran over my Dogma!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
benforde 0 #15 April 21, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuote I would advise against the 600/750 Katana. It's much closer to the supersport class ugh...please dont use the word supersport and katana in adjoining sentences I agree, Katana is a all around failure, a-suck-at-everything bike. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites benforde 0 #16 April 21, 2005 In that price range, as a starter bike, I would recommend a SUZUKI SV650, a fun, light twin, that needs little tunning the day you want to make it a real fun bike. stock, behaves very nicely and with some mods It wins lots of races in it's class. 2000 was the first year I think. so totally in the price range. Get a good helmet and some gear with the xtra cash! Benji Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites goose491 0 #17 April 21, 2005 Thanks for all the advice guys. And keep it coming. I'm constantly re-evaluating ova-heya. My Karma ran over my Dogma!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites justinb138 0 #18 April 21, 2005 QuoteThanks for all the advice guys. And keep it coming. I'm constantly re-evaluating ova-heya. What kind of bike are you looking for? Where are you going to be riding it (highway mostly, etc) ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites funks 1 #19 April 21, 2005 just get an older CBR F3. 95-98 or so. Even an F4 would be a decent choice. If you want to learn on a decent bike those will suit your needs, sportbike without the hardcore sportbike body position. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jumper03 0 #20 April 21, 2005 QuoteThanks for all the advice guys. And keep it coming. I'm constantly re-evaluating ova-heya. ditto that.Scars remind us that the past is real Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkiD_PL8 0 #21 April 21, 2005 QuoteFrom what I read, I'm leaning more toward it. It looks like a sport bike but the seating position is much much more upright, lending itself to more comfort on a long trip but still letting you get a feel for the forward lean of say, a GXSR if that's the direction you decide to go in. It also has a longer wheel base for added stability. I have ridden both sportbikes and cruisers in all shapes and sizes. In my opinion my favorite for a long road trip is a sportbike because I literally lay on the tank, keeps me from getting numb but syndrome. That is probably with the exception of the honda goldwing. I rode a lot of them at a dealership I used to work for and they are the most comfy bike I have ever ridden. Greenie in training. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites goose491 0 #22 April 21, 2005 Quote That is probably with the exception of the honda goldwing. I rode a lot of them at a dealership I used to work for and they are the most comfy bike I have ever ridden. Yeah, and if you get bored while riding a Goldwing, you can just recline the lazy-boy chair they've got afixed, pop some popcorn in the on-board microwave oven and watch a movie on the big-screen TV in the dashboard. My Karma ran over my Dogma!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bwilling 0 #23 April 21, 2005 Quote2000 was the first year I think. so totally in the price range. Actually 1999 was the first year for the SV650, with little difference in the 1st gen bikes from 1999-2002... they changed a lot in 2003, a new frame design and EFI being a couple of the bigger changes. You may find it cheaper to insure an SV650 than an SV650S (the 'sportier' version of the SV650, quarter fairing, clip on bars, rearsets farther back and up, but same motor), because they usually don't consider the naked a 'sport' bike... it's just a 'standard' motorcycle. "If all you ever do is all you ever did, then all you'll ever get is all you ever got." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites benforde 0 #24 April 22, 2005 I like the non "s" version, the bikini fairing looks totally stupid, plus the 'naked' version is a cheaper and better base to build a small twin race bike. I always rode 4's, R6 and R1 but some good friends had 'em and the 'lil' SV was always a great bike once you re-valved those crap forks... yep that front end was cheap, you can tell zuki saved some cash there. ... in my opinion the older rounder frame looks better, M4 made a bad ass sounding pipe for it too.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites goose491 0 #25 May 20, 2005 Bump! So this is getting a wee bit frustrating. I keep finding listings that I like; I keep arranging to visit some bikes for sale; and the bikes keep selling before I get to go see 'em! lol. It's wild, last night I had two visits arranged, both sold only moments before I called to confirm I was on my way haha! At least it shows that I know how to pick 'em. lol If their going that fast eh? Here are the four tires I was on my way to kick last night. My Karma ran over my Dogma!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
benforde 0 #16 April 21, 2005 In that price range, as a starter bike, I would recommend a SUZUKI SV650, a fun, light twin, that needs little tunning the day you want to make it a real fun bike. stock, behaves very nicely and with some mods It wins lots of races in it's class. 2000 was the first year I think. so totally in the price range. Get a good helmet and some gear with the xtra cash! Benji Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
goose491 0 #17 April 21, 2005 Thanks for all the advice guys. And keep it coming. I'm constantly re-evaluating ova-heya. My Karma ran over my Dogma!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justinb138 0 #18 April 21, 2005 QuoteThanks for all the advice guys. And keep it coming. I'm constantly re-evaluating ova-heya. What kind of bike are you looking for? Where are you going to be riding it (highway mostly, etc) ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
funks 1 #19 April 21, 2005 just get an older CBR F3. 95-98 or so. Even an F4 would be a decent choice. If you want to learn on a decent bike those will suit your needs, sportbike without the hardcore sportbike body position. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumper03 0 #20 April 21, 2005 QuoteThanks for all the advice guys. And keep it coming. I'm constantly re-evaluating ova-heya. ditto that.Scars remind us that the past is real Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkiD_PL8 0 #21 April 21, 2005 QuoteFrom what I read, I'm leaning more toward it. It looks like a sport bike but the seating position is much much more upright, lending itself to more comfort on a long trip but still letting you get a feel for the forward lean of say, a GXSR if that's the direction you decide to go in. It also has a longer wheel base for added stability. I have ridden both sportbikes and cruisers in all shapes and sizes. In my opinion my favorite for a long road trip is a sportbike because I literally lay on the tank, keeps me from getting numb but syndrome. That is probably with the exception of the honda goldwing. I rode a lot of them at a dealership I used to work for and they are the most comfy bike I have ever ridden. Greenie in training. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
goose491 0 #22 April 21, 2005 Quote That is probably with the exception of the honda goldwing. I rode a lot of them at a dealership I used to work for and they are the most comfy bike I have ever ridden. Yeah, and if you get bored while riding a Goldwing, you can just recline the lazy-boy chair they've got afixed, pop some popcorn in the on-board microwave oven and watch a movie on the big-screen TV in the dashboard. My Karma ran over my Dogma!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bwilling 0 #23 April 21, 2005 Quote2000 was the first year I think. so totally in the price range. Actually 1999 was the first year for the SV650, with little difference in the 1st gen bikes from 1999-2002... they changed a lot in 2003, a new frame design and EFI being a couple of the bigger changes. You may find it cheaper to insure an SV650 than an SV650S (the 'sportier' version of the SV650, quarter fairing, clip on bars, rearsets farther back and up, but same motor), because they usually don't consider the naked a 'sport' bike... it's just a 'standard' motorcycle. "If all you ever do is all you ever did, then all you'll ever get is all you ever got." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
benforde 0 #24 April 22, 2005 I like the non "s" version, the bikini fairing looks totally stupid, plus the 'naked' version is a cheaper and better base to build a small twin race bike. I always rode 4's, R6 and R1 but some good friends had 'em and the 'lil' SV was always a great bike once you re-valved those crap forks... yep that front end was cheap, you can tell zuki saved some cash there. ... in my opinion the older rounder frame looks better, M4 made a bad ass sounding pipe for it too.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
goose491 0 #25 May 20, 2005 Bump! So this is getting a wee bit frustrating. I keep finding listings that I like; I keep arranging to visit some bikes for sale; and the bikes keep selling before I get to go see 'em! lol. It's wild, last night I had two visits arranged, both sold only moments before I called to confirm I was on my way haha! At least it shows that I know how to pick 'em. lol If their going that fast eh? Here are the four tires I was on my way to kick last night. My Karma ran over my Dogma!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
