Change in WFFC policy for jumpers with under 50 freefalls

[jlmiracle 7]

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The canopy traffic has gotten absolutely horrible at the WFFC over the last few years.

I was there last year for the last 4 days and when I got to jump, I never had any canopy issues and I don't recall seeing any. (not saying there weren't any, I just didn't encounter or see any)

The only time I say interference was during the pond swooping. Tandems were landing as the swooper were trying to set up so the swoopers had to abort.

The people I saw doing stupid stuff and got hurt had 200 -2000 jumps.

j

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[AndyMan 7]

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Regardless of direction there is NO EXCUSE for piss poor patterns.

I agree.

However, to bring this back on track, canopy control at Rantoul is a hell of a lot better than it was at Quincy because the main landing area is so much larger, and the secondary landing areas are bigger have a shorter walk to get back from.

Crappy canopy control at the convention is hardly a new thing, and I don't think for a minute that its getting worse. Personally I think its a hell of a lot better now that there's only 2-3000 jumpers there. Anyone remember when 5000 was common?

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Folks, some of these comments are confusing to me. I makes me wonder if enough time is being spent thinking about what exactly is being changed.

1. Now the jump numbers will be lowered?

2. Just because people are cheating to get in, doesnt mean the standards should be lowered.

These 2 comments sound like comments made if the WFFC changed its policy to allowing any licensed jumper (or someone with 25 jumps) to be wristbanded as a skydiver with no other supervision.

The WFFC staff has come up with what is thought to be a way to provide "equivalent safety" for those with fewer jumps, by requiring more supervision.

This concept is not perfect of course. The supervision will not be absolute, nor can it be on any supervised jump at any dz.

I personally think a person with 40 jumps being supervised by an experienced skydiver will be better off than someone with 60 jumps and free to do whatever they want (including not even reading the safety info when they get to the Convention!)

[billvon 3,121]

> However, should they keep ignoring people with 30 jumps padding
>their logbooks and jumping there? How should they address that?

You can't. And I suspect people who want to jump without a coach will still pad their logbooks. People already lie about their jump numbers to get demo canopies, and onto bigger loads.

[Vallerina 2]

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You can't. And I suspect people who want to jump without a coach will still pad their logbooks. People already lie about their jump numbers to get demo canopies, and onto bigger loads.

Then maybe a better requirement is that you must have a B license to jump without a coach at the Convention (errr...wait..is that 100 jumps now? Oops...I probably should keep up with things like that, huh?) It's a bit more difficult to fake a license than a jump number.

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[jlmiracle 7]

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It's a bit more difficult to fake a license than a jump number.

No, not really, by faking that jump number (and some of these people will log non-existance jumps) they can get a real license.


judy

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[Vallerina 2]

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It's a bit more difficult to fake a license than a jump number.

No, not really, by faking that jump number (and some of these people will log non-existance jumps) they can get a real license.


judy

I'm not saying it's much more difficult, but it is. You at least have to pass a test to get a license.

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[jlmiracle 7]

I passed every test except the A (when they had one) on the first try without opening the SIM. Yes the tests have changed, but even if you fail the first time, you can take the same exact test the next week.

J

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[RfukfreeflyingW 0]

The fact is ur not going to completely stop it. If somebody wants in bad enough they could do whatever. Its a little more difficult to fake a license cause u have to log the fake jumps, pass the test, do the test at another DZ outside of ur home DZ, then spend the money for ur new license. If you made people have to do all that, it will cut down the number of people that will cheat. thats all you can ask is to make it hard, not completely eliminate it.

Though I did see that the reason they dont do that is because of other licensing agencies have different licenses or something like that, and I can understand that

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[nate_1979 9]

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People don't look where they're flying, or they're deploying too high, or have no concept of a landing pattern.

Just curious, what is considered "deploying too high" at the WFFC?

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Anything above 3500 feet. I'll take it to 2500 or lower all the time there just to avoid issues. You have the next load getting out as soon as 2 minutes after you. Figure that just hanging there floating home your decend at 500 feet per minute. If some one in that group smokes it to 2000 for deployment things can get close if you opened too high.

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[nate_1979 9]

Good to know...

[happythoughts 0]

Johnny and I have made it a guideline that we don't do more than an 8-way on RW jumps for a number of reasons.
- Walkup loads of more than 8 rarely work.
- Some people can't track well enough to get away from 7 others, or track straight.
- Some lie about their experience. I have had someone tell me 180 jumps and then signed their 80th jump.

That is the easiest way that we have found to keep newbies safe. Manage the group size and the breakoff.

We discovered that Magic Carpets over 12 tend to bruise. Inflatable jumps are kept to 10.

I only spoke to 3 people last year who were being totally ignorant. Overall, people did pretty well.

I was there for the bad years. Things are a lot better now than when people used to hook into Tent City and such. The rule changes have paid off in way less injuries and I think it is great.

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