diverdriver 7 #51 June 16, 2005 After reading the transcript I really don't think they tried to make it anywhere. They just found themselves there when they realized they couldn't get the engines started. They mentioned Coulumbia (COU) but were coming up short and they asked for nearest airport and the controller responded with JEF. But yah, they covered a lot of territory to get there. A turn to the right and Sullivan (UUV) might have been an option. But... they were have so much difficulty dealing with the situation picking an airport almost seems trivial. It just wasn't going to happen. They even asked for any roads around there when they realized they weren't going to make the airport. Had these guys been diver drivers I think they would have had a better chance. We're used to gliding and landing power off. Long before this accident happened I had the chance to glide a CRJ for 23,000 feet. LAX Center hung us up going from DEN to Santa Barbara (SBA). We did the idle descend out over the water from 20 miles out. I arced it back in and configured to flaps and gear down. I boosted power just a tad to keep the GPWS from barking at me and even at that it still yelled at me. I put it on the 5,800 runway with ease. That was day. That was under no pressure knowing that both engines WERE running. And that was having A LOT of power off gliding to landing experience (3,000 hours flying jumpers and 700+ jumps). These guys didn't have much of a chance I think looking at what was going on in that cockpit. It would have been a miracle had they lived through it.Chris Schindler www.diverdriver.com ATP/D-19012 FB #4125 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #52 June 16, 2005 My guess is you're glad SB has that nice long runway! Taxi to the Elephant Bar and have a couple of drinks, did you? My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NoMMO 0 #53 June 16, 2005 The Lear 45 is certified to 51,000 feet, it's what I fly for a living, there's no way I'm taking it there! Just because it's certified doesn't mean it's safe, all the conditions must be right - most of the time in the case of the 45 you'll stall before reaching 51. You must know your aircraft's limitations. It's sad two people lost there lives over this. BG, ATP-Lear 45, Falcon 50/2000 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diverdriver 7 #54 June 21, 2005 QuoteMy guess is you're glad SB has that nice long runway! Taxi to the Elephant Bar and have a couple of drinks, did you? Anything less that 6,000 feet is considered to be getting "short" for the CRJ. Santa Barabara is 5,800 feet useable. Oh, yah. It felt good.Chris Schindler www.diverdriver.com ATP/D-19012 FB #4125 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #55 June 21, 2005 QuoteSeriously that is sad going from a great time to fighting for your life. Happens in skydiving in a second. What's the average descent rate for an airplane? Usually in the 500' per minute range. A swooper flying a cross-braced canopy will descent a tad over 100' per second depending on their turn. Damn skippy it can happen in a second while skydiving. Of course this comment has nothing to do with this incident. Sucks that these pilots messed up, but we're all a split second away from fucking up ourselves. Nobody ever said playing in the skies was safe. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,125 #56 June 21, 2005 >Anything less that 6,000 feet is considered to be getting "short" for the CRJ. I recall landing a Global downwind on a 5000 foot runway in a snowstom in Illinois once. (I wasn't flying.) Pilots were doing a lot of cursing. Everyone else in the plane was terrified. That poor plane went through a lot before it finally got into service. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diverdriver 7 #57 June 21, 2005 Quote>Anything less that 6,000 feet is considered to be getting "short" for the CRJ. I recall landing a Global downwind on a 5000 foot runway in a snowstom in Illinois once. (I wasn't flying.) Pilots were doing a lot of cursing. Everyone else in the plane was terrified. That poor plane went through a lot before it finally got into service. How many on board? Global Express is a corporate plane. They were cursing huh? Were they saying "I'm such an f'n idiot for trying to save time in extreme conditions!"?Chris Schindler www.diverdriver.com ATP/D-19012 FB #4125 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #58 June 21, 2005 I used to run around that airport three times a week in college. I've also had the pleasure of flying that route to and from denver on four separate occasions. Who knows, maybe you were the pilot that was making me vomit. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
