jenfly00 0 #26 June 22, 2005 Poaching by someone implies ownership by another. Who is claiming ownership here and how can they lay claim to beauty, fun and enthusiasm? jen----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #27 June 22, 2005 Sounds to me like he could be doing your club a great favour..... If he gets more locals interested they are likely to come to your club for future Tandems, courses etc... Got to be good all round, dont you think? (provided he is safe and professional) Maybe worth talking to the man - cannt hurt. (Strangers are just friends that you've not net.... yet) (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Greene 0 #28 June 22, 2005 Nope, Skydive Greene County never went to OU.Quote Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amanduh 0 #29 June 22, 2005 Sounds to me like he might actually bring you guys some business in return. He does a cool presentation on skydiving for the entire college campus, several takers go and do a tandem with him...they love skydiving...he leaves...BOOM more business for your dz and more members for your club. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dgskydive 0 #30 June 22, 2005 Quote I guess I wouldn't have any problem with a traveling dz, though my concern is that he's actually coming onto our campus, where we do all our advertising, where we recruit all our jumpers and to be staff members, instructors, etc. If it were at an area or campus that didn't have a dropzone, I could understand that, though it'd be like Walmart letting K-mart have a sale in their parking lot if you see what I'm saying. Sounds like you should talk to your School. I mean if they have a club why do they want to let someone else come on campus and take away from your club? Also it just kinda sounds like competition for a little while. Hell, at Perris there are two Free Fall Schools and ELsinore is just down the road. They all go after the same business. Skyride is a bunch of crooks in my opinion. Sounds like htis guy is doing what many would like to do. Traveling and hitting up people for tandems loving life. I would do what he is if I had the plane to take around with me. Who knows maye this guy will get to a few people that you may not have and maybe they come see you after he is gone to take AFF?Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites VanillaSkyGirl 6 #31 June 22, 2005 QuoteAlso it just kinda sounds like competition for a little while. Hell, at Perris there are two Free Fall Schools and ELsinore is just down the road. They all go after the same business. Yes, both DZs have so much to offer and both do well. The friendly competition doesn't seem to be too much of a problem. Kansasskydiver ~ In my opinion, this could be wonderful news for your skydiving club. Some of those tandems may tell friends who might want to do tandems with your club, or some of the tandems may want to become skydivers and go through student progression with your place. Also, some students who couldn't do tandems during that weekend, may want to do them with the skydiving club or may want to check it out. Be friendly with these guys and work with them/help them. They will most likely be receptive and not be trying to screw you over. You may make some nice connections that you may want to have during your boogies, etc. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Paige 0 #32 June 22, 2005 Might have been these guys then. Word on campus was everyone enjoyed themselves and there were no incidents, take that for what its worth (feedback from whuffos and faculity). I most certainly do NOT support this.Tunnel Pink Mafia Delegate www.TunnelPinkMafia.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites CSpenceFLY 1 #33 June 22, 2005 While I believe this to be a great idea,I have talked about doing this myself.I would never show up at a location that already has a jump operation.This guy seems to have taken the RoamingDZ concept and just left out the fun jumpers,which is fine but I think he would be better served by sticking to places without a jump operation. For those that think this is a great idea.What would you think if this guy showed up at your DZ with a bigger,better aircraft,with cheap jumps and screwd your DZO for a couple of weekends. Food for thought. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites MarkM 0 #34 June 23, 2005 Sounds like a good opportunity to take a weekend off from doing tandems, let someone else advertise the sport and then after they leave pick up the potential students and repeat customers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bob.dino 1 #35 June 23, 2005 If he's showing up with better aircraft and cheaper jumps, then more power to him. The USA is the ideological home of capitalism. This is capitalism. What's the problem? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kansasskydiver 0 #36 June 23, 2005 QuoteWhile I believe this to be a great idea,I have talked about doing this myself.I would never show up at a location that already has a jump operation.This guy seems to have taken the RoamingDZ concept and just left out the fun jumpers,which is fine but I think he would be better served by sticking to places without a jump operation. For those that think this is a great idea.What would you think if this guy showed up at your DZ with a bigger,better aircraft,with cheap jumps and screwd your DZO for a couple of weekends. Food for thought. Thank you, I'm glad someone else kinda sees it from our stand point. We're such a small dropzone that, well we're not even a dropzone, we're a club, we charge slots, we don't make money. We do maybe 50 tandems a year and train 200 studetns. If he takes all our students in one sweep then we can't stay open to operate. Yeah we'll get a couple of people who stick with it, but come on, we all know the keep rate. 2% at best. So if he takes 20 tandems, or let's say 50, our whole years worth, then we just lost a lot of our operating cost and got what, 1 person out of it? I don't care if he advertises in town, post flyers etc, but i think it's rude to come onto campus and try to mess everything up for us. We still have our bills to pay, we get VERY little from the university per year,, we depend on students to keep the DZ open, keep us from having to raise prices. -Our jumps are $16 to 10k, they've been that way through all the gas wars -We charge $25 for gear rental PER SEMESTER!!! Yes make as many jumps as you want in one semester and it's $25 -After the first jump course, we train the studetns at cost. They pay 2 slots and a packer if they need one, once they're off student status, we jump with them for free to help them get their license. -We have 7 rigs, the oldest being that of 5 years old and 7 brand new Navigators with less than 10 jumps on them So having some guy come in and screw us over IS a HUGE DEAL to us staying in business if we want to operate how we do. We don't make money, never have, never will, period. So yes, I am going to be offended by this guy coming onto campus and trying to do this. We still haven't heard if it's even real or not, our advisor is looking into who gave permission, but granted, it's going to hurt us more than it will help us, especially in the fall semester!<--- See look, pink dolphins DO exist! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites VanillaSkyGirl 6 #37 June 23, 2005 QuoteIf he takes all our students in one sweep then we can't stay open to operate. Are you saying that it's possible to destroy your skydiving club in one weekend (2 days)? Does the other guy know this? Has anyone talked with him about it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kansasskydiver 0 #38 June 23, 2005 QuoteAre you saying that it's possible to destroy your skydiving club in one weekend (2 days)? Does the other guy know this? Has anyone talked with him about it? Destroy in 2 days no. Make the rest of the year VERY difficult to pay the bills and keep our heads above water is he takes all the interest away from us, yes. We have info meetings the first week of the fall semester. We do a lot of our recruiting at this time, fill our classes and tandem schedule. If he were to come the same week or before us, it would damage us for the entire year yes.<--- See look, pink dolphins DO exist! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites divnswoop 0 #39 June 23, 2005 Quotewe charge slots, we don't make money. We do maybe 50 tandems a year and train 200 studetns....... we depend on students to keep the DZ open, keep us from having to raise prices......We don't make money, never have, never will, period. ... So it sounds like you charge very little(over costs) for the students to come out and jump tandem/ train for AFF. QuoteSo having some guy come in and screw us over IS a HUGE DEAL to us staying in business if we want to operate how we do. Let me first say I don't agree with what he is doing. But If some guy from across the country can come in and sell tandems out from underneath you at or above your tandem rates, then maybe you need to re-evaluate how your reaching your target group.(the students) Being that the club has been there for years, every student on campus should know about it. Do the students who are part of the club do fundraisers and/or campus socials in return for the cheap prices you give them? Our Ohio State club has done a AWESOME job at creating awareness about the club. In fact we have started a "for credit" class that is sanction by the school. It is entering the 3 year and spring semester had 93 students in the class! The club should be making sure EVERY student knows about them. If they are supporting you by making sure ALL the students know about the club, I think you should have very little to worry about this guy showing up. If he does, and gets tandems, I would make sure I had a similar program set up for the next semester and lock it in with the university!! ...If the university is supporting you with money,(however small it might be) I'm surprised they are allowing another person in though... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 2 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
Amanduh 0 #29 June 22, 2005 Sounds to me like he might actually bring you guys some business in return. He does a cool presentation on skydiving for the entire college campus, several takers go and do a tandem with him...they love skydiving...he leaves...BOOM more business for your dz and more members for your club. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dgskydive 0 #30 June 22, 2005 Quote I guess I wouldn't have any problem with a traveling dz, though my concern is that he's actually coming onto our campus, where we do all our advertising, where we recruit all our jumpers and to be staff members, instructors, etc. If it were at an area or campus that didn't have a dropzone, I could understand that, though it'd be like Walmart letting K-mart have a sale in their parking lot if you see what I'm saying. Sounds like you should talk to your School. I mean if they have a club why do they want to let someone else come on campus and take away from your club? Also it just kinda sounds like competition for a little while. Hell, at Perris there are two Free Fall Schools and ELsinore is just down the road. They all go after the same business. Skyride is a bunch of crooks in my opinion. Sounds like htis guy is doing what many would like to do. Traveling and hitting up people for tandems loving life. I would do what he is if I had the plane to take around with me. Who knows maye this guy will get to a few people that you may not have and maybe they come see you after he is gone to take AFF?Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites VanillaSkyGirl 6 #31 June 22, 2005 QuoteAlso it just kinda sounds like competition for a little while. Hell, at Perris there are two Free Fall Schools and ELsinore is just down the road. They all go after the same business. Yes, both DZs have so much to offer and both do well. The friendly competition doesn't seem to be too much of a problem. Kansasskydiver ~ In my opinion, this could be wonderful news for your skydiving club. Some of those tandems may tell friends who might want to do tandems with your club, or some of the tandems may want to become skydivers and go through student progression with your place. Also, some students who couldn't do tandems during that weekend, may want to do them with the skydiving club or may want to check it out. Be friendly with these guys and work with them/help them. They will most likely be receptive and not be trying to screw you over. You may make some nice connections that you may want to have during your boogies, etc. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Paige 0 #32 June 22, 2005 Might have been these guys then. Word on campus was everyone enjoyed themselves and there were no incidents, take that for what its worth (feedback from whuffos and faculity). I most certainly do NOT support this.Tunnel Pink Mafia Delegate www.TunnelPinkMafia.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites CSpenceFLY 1 #33 June 22, 2005 While I believe this to be a great idea,I have talked about doing this myself.I would never show up at a location that already has a jump operation.This guy seems to have taken the RoamingDZ concept and just left out the fun jumpers,which is fine but I think he would be better served by sticking to places without a jump operation. For those that think this is a great idea.What would you think if this guy showed up at your DZ with a bigger,better aircraft,with cheap jumps and screwd your DZO for a couple of weekends. Food for thought. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites MarkM 0 #34 June 23, 2005 Sounds like a good opportunity to take a weekend off from doing tandems, let someone else advertise the sport and then after they leave pick up the potential students and repeat customers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bob.dino 1 #35 June 23, 2005 If he's showing up with better aircraft and cheaper jumps, then more power to him. The USA is the ideological home of capitalism. This is capitalism. What's the problem? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kansasskydiver 0 #36 June 23, 2005 QuoteWhile I believe this to be a great idea,I have talked about doing this myself.I would never show up at a location that already has a jump operation.This guy seems to have taken the RoamingDZ concept and just left out the fun jumpers,which is fine but I think he would be better served by sticking to places without a jump operation. For those that think this is a great idea.What would you think if this guy showed up at your DZ with a bigger,better aircraft,with cheap jumps and screwd your DZO for a couple of weekends. Food for thought. Thank you, I'm glad someone else kinda sees it from our stand point. We're such a small dropzone that, well we're not even a dropzone, we're a club, we charge slots, we don't make money. We do maybe 50 tandems a year and train 200 studetns. If he takes all our students in one sweep then we can't stay open to operate. Yeah we'll get a couple of people who stick with it, but come on, we all know the keep rate. 2% at best. So if he takes 20 tandems, or let's say 50, our whole years worth, then we just lost a lot of our operating cost and got what, 1 person out of it? I don't care if he advertises in town, post flyers etc, but i think it's rude to come onto campus and try to mess everything up for us. We still have our bills to pay, we get VERY little from the university per year,, we depend on students to keep the DZ open, keep us from having to raise prices. -Our jumps are $16 to 10k, they've been that way through all the gas wars -We charge $25 for gear rental PER SEMESTER!!! Yes make as many jumps as you want in one semester and it's $25 -After the first jump course, we train the studetns at cost. They pay 2 slots and a packer if they need one, once they're off student status, we jump with them for free to help them get their license. -We have 7 rigs, the oldest being that of 5 years old and 7 brand new Navigators with less than 10 jumps on them So having some guy come in and screw us over IS a HUGE DEAL to us staying in business if we want to operate how we do. We don't make money, never have, never will, period. So yes, I am going to be offended by this guy coming onto campus and trying to do this. We still haven't heard if it's even real or not, our advisor is looking into who gave permission, but granted, it's going to hurt us more than it will help us, especially in the fall semester!<--- See look, pink dolphins DO exist! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites VanillaSkyGirl 6 #37 June 23, 2005 QuoteIf he takes all our students in one sweep then we can't stay open to operate. Are you saying that it's possible to destroy your skydiving club in one weekend (2 days)? Does the other guy know this? Has anyone talked with him about it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kansasskydiver 0 #38 June 23, 2005 QuoteAre you saying that it's possible to destroy your skydiving club in one weekend (2 days)? Does the other guy know this? Has anyone talked with him about it? Destroy in 2 days no. Make the rest of the year VERY difficult to pay the bills and keep our heads above water is he takes all the interest away from us, yes. We have info meetings the first week of the fall semester. We do a lot of our recruiting at this time, fill our classes and tandem schedule. If he were to come the same week or before us, it would damage us for the entire year yes.<--- See look, pink dolphins DO exist! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites divnswoop 0 #39 June 23, 2005 Quotewe charge slots, we don't make money. We do maybe 50 tandems a year and train 200 studetns....... we depend on students to keep the DZ open, keep us from having to raise prices......We don't make money, never have, never will, period. ... So it sounds like you charge very little(over costs) for the students to come out and jump tandem/ train for AFF. QuoteSo having some guy come in and screw us over IS a HUGE DEAL to us staying in business if we want to operate how we do. Let me first say I don't agree with what he is doing. But If some guy from across the country can come in and sell tandems out from underneath you at or above your tandem rates, then maybe you need to re-evaluate how your reaching your target group.(the students) Being that the club has been there for years, every student on campus should know about it. Do the students who are part of the club do fundraisers and/or campus socials in return for the cheap prices you give them? Our Ohio State club has done a AWESOME job at creating awareness about the club. In fact we have started a "for credit" class that is sanction by the school. It is entering the 3 year and spring semester had 93 students in the class! The club should be making sure EVERY student knows about them. If they are supporting you by making sure ALL the students know about the club, I think you should have very little to worry about this guy showing up. If he does, and gets tandems, I would make sure I had a similar program set up for the next semester and lock it in with the university!! ...If the university is supporting you with money,(however small it might be) I'm surprised they are allowing another person in though... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 2 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
dgskydive 0 #30 June 22, 2005 Quote I guess I wouldn't have any problem with a traveling dz, though my concern is that he's actually coming onto our campus, where we do all our advertising, where we recruit all our jumpers and to be staff members, instructors, etc. If it were at an area or campus that didn't have a dropzone, I could understand that, though it'd be like Walmart letting K-mart have a sale in their parking lot if you see what I'm saying. Sounds like you should talk to your School. I mean if they have a club why do they want to let someone else come on campus and take away from your club? Also it just kinda sounds like competition for a little while. Hell, at Perris there are two Free Fall Schools and ELsinore is just down the road. They all go after the same business. Skyride is a bunch of crooks in my opinion. Sounds like htis guy is doing what many would like to do. Traveling and hitting up people for tandems loving life. I would do what he is if I had the plane to take around with me. Who knows maye this guy will get to a few people that you may not have and maybe they come see you after he is gone to take AFF?Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VanillaSkyGirl 6 #31 June 22, 2005 QuoteAlso it just kinda sounds like competition for a little while. Hell, at Perris there are two Free Fall Schools and ELsinore is just down the road. They all go after the same business. Yes, both DZs have so much to offer and both do well. The friendly competition doesn't seem to be too much of a problem. Kansasskydiver ~ In my opinion, this could be wonderful news for your skydiving club. Some of those tandems may tell friends who might want to do tandems with your club, or some of the tandems may want to become skydivers and go through student progression with your place. Also, some students who couldn't do tandems during that weekend, may want to do them with the skydiving club or may want to check it out. Be friendly with these guys and work with them/help them. They will most likely be receptive and not be trying to screw you over. You may make some nice connections that you may want to have during your boogies, etc. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Paige 0 #32 June 22, 2005 Might have been these guys then. Word on campus was everyone enjoyed themselves and there were no incidents, take that for what its worth (feedback from whuffos and faculity). I most certainly do NOT support this.Tunnel Pink Mafia Delegate www.TunnelPinkMafia.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites CSpenceFLY 1 #33 June 22, 2005 While I believe this to be a great idea,I have talked about doing this myself.I would never show up at a location that already has a jump operation.This guy seems to have taken the RoamingDZ concept and just left out the fun jumpers,which is fine but I think he would be better served by sticking to places without a jump operation. For those that think this is a great idea.What would you think if this guy showed up at your DZ with a bigger,better aircraft,with cheap jumps and screwd your DZO for a couple of weekends. Food for thought. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites MarkM 0 #34 June 23, 2005 Sounds like a good opportunity to take a weekend off from doing tandems, let someone else advertise the sport and then after they leave pick up the potential students and repeat customers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bob.dino 1 #35 June 23, 2005 If he's showing up with better aircraft and cheaper jumps, then more power to him. The USA is the ideological home of capitalism. This is capitalism. What's the problem? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kansasskydiver 0 #36 June 23, 2005 QuoteWhile I believe this to be a great idea,I have talked about doing this myself.I would never show up at a location that already has a jump operation.This guy seems to have taken the RoamingDZ concept and just left out the fun jumpers,which is fine but I think he would be better served by sticking to places without a jump operation. For those that think this is a great idea.What would you think if this guy showed up at your DZ with a bigger,better aircraft,with cheap jumps and screwd your DZO for a couple of weekends. Food for thought. Thank you, I'm glad someone else kinda sees it from our stand point. We're such a small dropzone that, well we're not even a dropzone, we're a club, we charge slots, we don't make money. We do maybe 50 tandems a year and train 200 studetns. If he takes all our students in one sweep then we can't stay open to operate. Yeah we'll get a couple of people who stick with it, but come on, we all know the keep rate. 2% at best. So if he takes 20 tandems, or let's say 50, our whole years worth, then we just lost a lot of our operating cost and got what, 1 person out of it? I don't care if he advertises in town, post flyers etc, but i think it's rude to come onto campus and try to mess everything up for us. We still have our bills to pay, we get VERY little from the university per year,, we depend on students to keep the DZ open, keep us from having to raise prices. -Our jumps are $16 to 10k, they've been that way through all the gas wars -We charge $25 for gear rental PER SEMESTER!!! Yes make as many jumps as you want in one semester and it's $25 -After the first jump course, we train the studetns at cost. They pay 2 slots and a packer if they need one, once they're off student status, we jump with them for free to help them get their license. -We have 7 rigs, the oldest being that of 5 years old and 7 brand new Navigators with less than 10 jumps on them So having some guy come in and screw us over IS a HUGE DEAL to us staying in business if we want to operate how we do. We don't make money, never have, never will, period. So yes, I am going to be offended by this guy coming onto campus and trying to do this. We still haven't heard if it's even real or not, our advisor is looking into who gave permission, but granted, it's going to hurt us more than it will help us, especially in the fall semester!<--- See look, pink dolphins DO exist! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites VanillaSkyGirl 6 #37 June 23, 2005 QuoteIf he takes all our students in one sweep then we can't stay open to operate. Are you saying that it's possible to destroy your skydiving club in one weekend (2 days)? Does the other guy know this? Has anyone talked with him about it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kansasskydiver 0 #38 June 23, 2005 QuoteAre you saying that it's possible to destroy your skydiving club in one weekend (2 days)? Does the other guy know this? Has anyone talked with him about it? Destroy in 2 days no. Make the rest of the year VERY difficult to pay the bills and keep our heads above water is he takes all the interest away from us, yes. We have info meetings the first week of the fall semester. We do a lot of our recruiting at this time, fill our classes and tandem schedule. If he were to come the same week or before us, it would damage us for the entire year yes.<--- See look, pink dolphins DO exist! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites divnswoop 0 #39 June 23, 2005 Quotewe charge slots, we don't make money. We do maybe 50 tandems a year and train 200 studetns....... we depend on students to keep the DZ open, keep us from having to raise prices......We don't make money, never have, never will, period. ... So it sounds like you charge very little(over costs) for the students to come out and jump tandem/ train for AFF. QuoteSo having some guy come in and screw us over IS a HUGE DEAL to us staying in business if we want to operate how we do. Let me first say I don't agree with what he is doing. But If some guy from across the country can come in and sell tandems out from underneath you at or above your tandem rates, then maybe you need to re-evaluate how your reaching your target group.(the students) Being that the club has been there for years, every student on campus should know about it. Do the students who are part of the club do fundraisers and/or campus socials in return for the cheap prices you give them? Our Ohio State club has done a AWESOME job at creating awareness about the club. In fact we have started a "for credit" class that is sanction by the school. It is entering the 3 year and spring semester had 93 students in the class! The club should be making sure EVERY student knows about them. If they are supporting you by making sure ALL the students know about the club, I think you should have very little to worry about this guy showing up. If he does, and gets tandems, I would make sure I had a similar program set up for the next semester and lock it in with the university!! ...If the university is supporting you with money,(however small it might be) I'm surprised they are allowing another person in though... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 2 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. 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Paige 0 #32 June 22, 2005 Might have been these guys then. Word on campus was everyone enjoyed themselves and there were no incidents, take that for what its worth (feedback from whuffos and faculity). I most certainly do NOT support this.Tunnel Pink Mafia Delegate www.TunnelPinkMafia.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CSpenceFLY 1 #33 June 22, 2005 While I believe this to be a great idea,I have talked about doing this myself.I would never show up at a location that already has a jump operation.This guy seems to have taken the RoamingDZ concept and just left out the fun jumpers,which is fine but I think he would be better served by sticking to places without a jump operation. For those that think this is a great idea.What would you think if this guy showed up at your DZ with a bigger,better aircraft,with cheap jumps and screwd your DZO for a couple of weekends. Food for thought. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MarkM 0 #34 June 23, 2005 Sounds like a good opportunity to take a weekend off from doing tandems, let someone else advertise the sport and then after they leave pick up the potential students and repeat customers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob.dino 1 #35 June 23, 2005 If he's showing up with better aircraft and cheaper jumps, then more power to him. The USA is the ideological home of capitalism. This is capitalism. What's the problem? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kansasskydiver 0 #36 June 23, 2005 QuoteWhile I believe this to be a great idea,I have talked about doing this myself.I would never show up at a location that already has a jump operation.This guy seems to have taken the RoamingDZ concept and just left out the fun jumpers,which is fine but I think he would be better served by sticking to places without a jump operation. For those that think this is a great idea.What would you think if this guy showed up at your DZ with a bigger,better aircraft,with cheap jumps and screwd your DZO for a couple of weekends. Food for thought. Thank you, I'm glad someone else kinda sees it from our stand point. We're such a small dropzone that, well we're not even a dropzone, we're a club, we charge slots, we don't make money. We do maybe 50 tandems a year and train 200 studetns. If he takes all our students in one sweep then we can't stay open to operate. Yeah we'll get a couple of people who stick with it, but come on, we all know the keep rate. 2% at best. So if he takes 20 tandems, or let's say 50, our whole years worth, then we just lost a lot of our operating cost and got what, 1 person out of it? I don't care if he advertises in town, post flyers etc, but i think it's rude to come onto campus and try to mess everything up for us. We still have our bills to pay, we get VERY little from the university per year,, we depend on students to keep the DZ open, keep us from having to raise prices. -Our jumps are $16 to 10k, they've been that way through all the gas wars -We charge $25 for gear rental PER SEMESTER!!! Yes make as many jumps as you want in one semester and it's $25 -After the first jump course, we train the studetns at cost. They pay 2 slots and a packer if they need one, once they're off student status, we jump with them for free to help them get their license. -We have 7 rigs, the oldest being that of 5 years old and 7 brand new Navigators with less than 10 jumps on them So having some guy come in and screw us over IS a HUGE DEAL to us staying in business if we want to operate how we do. We don't make money, never have, never will, period. So yes, I am going to be offended by this guy coming onto campus and trying to do this. We still haven't heard if it's even real or not, our advisor is looking into who gave permission, but granted, it's going to hurt us more than it will help us, especially in the fall semester!<--- See look, pink dolphins DO exist! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VanillaSkyGirl 6 #37 June 23, 2005 QuoteIf he takes all our students in one sweep then we can't stay open to operate. Are you saying that it's possible to destroy your skydiving club in one weekend (2 days)? Does the other guy know this? Has anyone talked with him about it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kansasskydiver 0 #38 June 23, 2005 QuoteAre you saying that it's possible to destroy your skydiving club in one weekend (2 days)? Does the other guy know this? Has anyone talked with him about it? Destroy in 2 days no. Make the rest of the year VERY difficult to pay the bills and keep our heads above water is he takes all the interest away from us, yes. We have info meetings the first week of the fall semester. We do a lot of our recruiting at this time, fill our classes and tandem schedule. If he were to come the same week or before us, it would damage us for the entire year yes.<--- See look, pink dolphins DO exist! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
divnswoop 0 #39 June 23, 2005 Quotewe charge slots, we don't make money. We do maybe 50 tandems a year and train 200 studetns....... we depend on students to keep the DZ open, keep us from having to raise prices......We don't make money, never have, never will, period. ... So it sounds like you charge very little(over costs) for the students to come out and jump tandem/ train for AFF. QuoteSo having some guy come in and screw us over IS a HUGE DEAL to us staying in business if we want to operate how we do. Let me first say I don't agree with what he is doing. But If some guy from across the country can come in and sell tandems out from underneath you at or above your tandem rates, then maybe you need to re-evaluate how your reaching your target group.(the students) Being that the club has been there for years, every student on campus should know about it. Do the students who are part of the club do fundraisers and/or campus socials in return for the cheap prices you give them? Our Ohio State club has done a AWESOME job at creating awareness about the club. In fact we have started a "for credit" class that is sanction by the school. It is entering the 3 year and spring semester had 93 students in the class! The club should be making sure EVERY student knows about them. If they are supporting you by making sure ALL the students know about the club, I think you should have very little to worry about this guy showing up. If he does, and gets tandems, I would make sure I had a similar program set up for the next semester and lock it in with the university!! ...If the university is supporting you with money,(however small it might be) I'm surprised they are allowing another person in though... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
