sky'boarding'

[rhys 0]

i seached skysurfing and discovered most discussions on the topic have been made here in the bonfire?

i am a skateboarder(as long as i can remember 25+ years) and a snowboarder(10 years) i am wondering why manoevers in sky'surfing' aren't anything to do with surfing? i understand it was invented by a skier?

i am not dissing skysurfing as it is very calculated, difficult and graceful. but why aren't there any 'methods','indy's', 'stalefish' etc?

if you don't know boardsports then you will not know what the hell i am talking about but if you do you will.

there are names for the positions you make by 'grabbing' various parts of the board and different tweaks and rotations on 'many' axis.these manovers are carried through all the different board sports even skiing uses the names of the certain grabs etc. skysurfing doesn't seem to use much if at all. i've seen a couple of grabs but very simple and no tweaks or boneouts.

the main reason (i think) that skysurfing does not use these many many graceful manoevers is beacause the stance is so whack. with this configuration you are limited to 1 direction and it would be impossible to put yourself into the crossbone position(my favorate manoever).

the axis used in surfing, snowboardingand skateboarding utilise 45deg axis. i havn't seen in skysurfing these are known as misty flips, rodeo flips and underflips etc. where are all these wonderful manoevers?

when i first started skydiving i asked if you could take a snowboard up. i was laughed at. "no you can't"they said. well i have seen footage of skysurfers on what looks to me like a snowboard just the stance is whack and the bindings are made of webbing with far too much heel lift.

i have tracked down a board that is used to demo snowboard bindings and boots. it is 1.2 m long stiff and as wide as a shoe is long. it has mounting threads for snowboard bindings. i plan on adapting some k2 clicker bindings to a pair of shoes and installing a cutaway system to it. has anyone ever tried doing the manoevers that the sport of 'surfing' has gifted us through its offspring of skateboarding and snowboarding or did the name sky'surfing' just sound cool at the time?



any thoughts

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

[panzwami 0]

I would think it would be pretty hard to do any of the release moves with a board in the air, kickflips, etc. Also keep in mind that you're at terminal, so as the air rushed by, any changes in the angle or attitude of the board will have a direct effect on the jumper and can easily become very violent if not precisely controlled.

[ltdiver 3]

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Jumps : 2000
License : D 
In sport : 3 years

Apr 11, 2005, 3:20 AM

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Curious....2,000 jumps in 3 years?

ltdiver

Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon

[The111 1]

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Curious....2,000 jumps in 3 years?

His profile says most of those are photography... not too hard to believe if he's at a moderately busy DZ.

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[The111 1]

I will reiterate what someone else said, that most of the maneuvers you've mentioned involve putting the board at a large angle to the ground. I don't know much about skysurfing but I'd imagine even in the most dramatic maneuvers you keep the board pretty flat. And even when you do angle it, I'm guessing traditional boardsport moves just don't translate, because they were designed to be executed in still air, where momentum conservation is the key, while in skydiving aerodynamic forces are MUCH more important.

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[ltdiver 3]

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Curious....2,000 jumps in 3 years?

His profile says most of those are photography... not too hard to believe if he's at a moderately busy DZ.

Except, I believe his profile said something completely different just last week (when he was being railed in the photography forum)...

ltdiver

Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon

[The111 1]

Wasn't aware of that. Carry on...

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[pilotdave 0]

Skysurfing: aerodynamics
Skateboarding: momentum

A "grab" is impressive when the guy has like 2 seconds to do it before slamming into the ground. I don't think it'd look so cool when he's 8000 feet in the air.

Dave

[CanuckInUSA 0]

Who knows if his profile is accurate. But 2000 jumps in 3 years is doable for the one lucky enough to have the time and money. Isn't there a fellow in Raeford (Matt I believe is his first name) who's pounded out about 2000 jumps in 3 years? Plus since the DZ.COM profile won't let us enter fractions, maybe he's closer to 4 years than 3 years. I know I'm closer to being in the sport 3 years than I am 2 years, but I don't want to enter 3 years yet.

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

[rsibbald 0]

Try driving down the motorway with your board out of the window. See what speed you can get up to before you are no longer able to control it directly against the airflow.

Now imagine that at 120mph..... Learning to fly the aerodynamics of the board is a completely different skillset to the gymnastic abilities of ground boarders.

[pyke 0]

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Who knows if his profile is accurate. But 2000 jumps in 3 years is doable for the one lucky enough to have the time and money. Isn't there a fellow in Raeford (Matt I believe is his first name) who's pounded out about 2000 jumps in 3 years?

I don't know if it was 2k, but Amish did put up a literal A$$LOAD of jumps in his first couple of years....

Good guy too!!

Kahurangi e Mahearangi,
Kiwi, RB #926, AFF-I, FAA Snr. Rigger, RN/BSN/Paramedic

[Peej 0]

David Gerschfeld - one of the LO's out at Perris - has done over 1000 in two years afaik. I would say 2000 in three was possible.

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[Douva 0]

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i seached skysurfing and discovered most discussions on the topic have been made here in the bonfire?

i am a skateboarder(as long as i can remember 25+ years) and a snowboarder(10 years) i am wondering why manoevers in sky'surfing' aren't anything to do with surfing? i understand it was invented by a skier?

i am not dissing skysurfing as it is very calculated, difficult and graceful. but why aren't there any 'methods','indy's', 'stalefish' etc?

if you don't know boardsports then you will not know what the hell i am talking about but if you do you will.

there are names for the positions you make by 'grabbing' various parts of the board and different tweaks and rotations on 'many' axis.these manovers are carried through all the different board sports even skiing uses the names of the certain grabs etc. skysurfing doesn't seem to use much if at all. i've seen a couple of grabs but very simple and no tweaks or boneouts.

the main reason (i think) that skysurfing does not use these many many graceful manoevers is beacause the stance is so whack. with this configuration you are limited to 1 direction and it would be impossible to put yourself into the crossbone position(my favorate manoever).

the axis used in surfing, snowboardingand skateboarding utilise 45deg axis. i havn't seen in skysurfing these are known as misty flips, rodeo flips and underflips etc. where are all these wonderful manoevers?

when i first started skydiving i asked if you could take a snowboard up. i was laughed at. "no you can't"they said. well i have seen footage of skysurfers on what looks to me like a snowboard just the stance is whack and the bindings are made of webbing with far too much heel lift.

i have tracked down a board that is used to demo snowboard bindings and boots. it is 1.2 m long stiff and as wide as a shoe is long. it has mounting threads for snowboard bindings. i plan on adapting some k2 clicker bindings to a pair of shoes and installing a cutaway system to it. has anyone ever tried doing the manoevers that the sport of 'surfing' has gifted us through its offspring of skateboarding and snowboarding or did the name sky'surfing' just sound cool at the time?



any thoughts

Skysurfing doesn’t incorporate many surfing moves because it’s not really surfing; it’s skydiving with the added control surface of a board strapped to your feet. In skysurfing, your arms are equally important to your board as control surfaces. That’s why the stance is so “whack,” as you eloquently put it. Your arms need clean air to function as control surfaces, and you can’t get that if the bindings aren’t parallel to the board. We don’t do the same moves as surfers, wakeboarders, skateboarders, snowboarders, etc., because they aren’t falling at 120 miles per hour. As I’m sure you know, skydiving is about FLYING your body on the wind; creating a flip or a spin is about a lot more than just torquing your body in the right direction. Skysurfers don’t jump with snowboards for the same reason skateboarders don’t still ride pieces of plywood with roller skate wheels nailed to the bottom—It’s an inferior, unsafe method. Skyboards were designed after years of trial and error. Snowboards are too heavy, the flared front and back are too wide (anything wider than eleven inches has a tendency to catch your pilot chute in the burble when you try to deploy), and the steeply curved tips can cause out-of-control spins. If you want to revolutionize the sport of skysurfing, first get a few hundred skysurfing jumps on a real skyboard, and THEN start trying to figure out what could be improved.

I don't have an M.D. or a law degree. I have bachelor's in kicking ass and taking names.

[rhys 0]

er i havn't updated my profile for a while i have 2200 jumps now. i do my logbook monthly as our 'very busy' dropzone has evrything on computer.

do you think i'm lying?

what do you mean i was getting railed. when people have a difference of opinion they can do so. this is what these fourums are for.

i did a 'diploma in commercial skydiving', hence the large amount of camera jumps. while most are sitting behind a desk i am jumping out of planes.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

[rhys 0]

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Skysurfing: aerodynamics
Skateboarding: momentum

A "grab" is impressive when the guy has like 2 seconds to do it before slamming into the ground. I don't think it'd look so cool when he's 8000 feet in the air.


as many rotations as you can do looks impressive when you have like 2 seconds to do it, and do it with style. i don't think is is so impressive when he/she's 8000' in the air no grab no tweak.

boarding is about style. if you jump over an 80 ft gap then it is harder to do a 180deg rotaion than a 360! you put some style into it with a grab and a tweak and you get respect. if yop huck a 720 with no grab no tweak then you look like a muppet.

sky surfing is about aerodynamics but that is not to say these manoevers are not possible.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

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[rhys 0]

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Who knows if his profile is accurate. But 2000 jumps in 3 years is doable for the one lucky enough to have the time and money. Isn't there a fellow in Raeford (Matt I believe is his first name) who's pounded out about 2000 jumps in 3 years? Plus since the DZ.COM profile won't let us enter fractions, maybe he's closer to 4 years than 3 years. I know I'm closer to being in the sport 3 years than I am 2 years, but I don't want to enter 3 years yet.


once again i did a diploma in commercial skydiving to get whare i am. i worked my butt off to get where i am. i had not a cent to my name when i was accepted into the course i worked in a camp in a national park to save a couple of grand to buy a dodgy old racer a maveric 200 and second hand dytter and alti. i jumped this gear for 900 jumps until i could afford to get something decent. this thread is not about me and my jump numbers and if you don't believe them I DON'T CARE

back to the subject.

oh wait. i did my first jump in april 2002 so i have been in it 3 years

just

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

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[rhys 0]

at last a reply i was looking for.

thank you.

i was told that to begin a parrelell stance is perferred and on a short board because you can go into an arch?

if so then why couldn't i just begin to, as you put it, revolutionise skysurfing from the beginning. i don't think this is what it is though. i think it would be another discipline all together. skysurfing has made it's mark in time and deserves its place as it is.

i dream of doing the manoevers i can just imagine on a snowboard in the sky.

i don't think it is impossible. any thoughts negative and positive are just getting me closer to that dream.

if you want to discuss my jump numbers then pm me.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

[Douva 0]

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at last a reply i was looking for.

thank you.

i was told that to begin a parrelell stance is perferred and on a short board because you can go into an arch?

if so then why couldn't i just begin to, as you put it, revolutionise skysurfing from the beginning. i don't think this is what it is though. i think it would be another discipline all together. skysurfing has made it's mark in time and deserves its place as it is.

i dream of doing the manoevers i can just imagine on a snowboard in the sky.

i don't think it is impossible. any thoughts negative and positive are just getting me closer to that dream.

if you want to discuss my jump numbers then pm me.

Yes, the parallel stance is preferred on beginner boards because it allows the jumper to place the board on his or her butt and deploy from a belly-to-earth position. However, a beginner board is only about three feet long, so your arms extend over the ends. Early skysurfers experimented with everything from skateboards to boogie boards to surfboards to snowboards. We've seen boards with wings, boards made out of foam, and all sorts of prototypes. I'm not saying that what you want to do is impossible; I'm simply suggesting that it would have probably been done already if it were as simple as strapping on a snowboard or changing the foot configuration. Modern skyboards have the design they do for very practical reasons. If a simple design change would have allowed for a wider range of tricks and moves, I'm pretty sure Patrick De Gayardon or Jerry Loftis would have discovered it. Find somebody nearby who offers board training and make a few jumps. Once you get a feel for skysurfing, you'll probably have a much better idea what it would take to do the moves you're envisioning.

I don't have an M.D. or a law degree. I have bachelor's in kicking ass and taking names.

[ltdiver 3]

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er i havn't updated my profile for a while i have 2200 jumps now. i do my logbook monthly as our 'very busy' dropzone has evrything on computer.

do you think i'm lying?

No, it was just curious that the profile was so skewed to high jump numbers over a short period of years. Not the 'norm'.

I have a friend who's a TI in Australia and he makes over 1,000 tandems/year. However, he did this after he'd got over 10,000 jumps to his name already (had been a military jumper).

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what do you mean i was getting railed. when people have a difference of opinion they can do so. this is what these fourums are for.

Since your 'history' wasn't known over on the other thread, it gave alot of us pause when we read your claim that 100 jumps were enough to put on a camera helmet and 200 to film tandems.

A concentrated effort in any one discipline can, and usually does, make one more proficient. However, a person sacrifices a more broad understanding when they have such a pointed view of life (only having done camera, for instance leaves one with a lot less understanding of what else can be savoured in other parts of this sport. Just ask one other cameraflyer who did this to himself . He now sees that, even though he's very good at filming a 4-way team, he lacks greatly in RW skills to jump with his friends).

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i did a 'diploma in commercial skydiving', hence the large amount of camera jumps. while most are sitting behind a desk i am jumping out of planes.

Yeah, I've heard of these schools. Not sure what I think of them, except they perhaps leave the skydiving experience a bit lopsided.

ltdiver

Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon

[rhys 0]

only having done camera on rw, freestyle, freefly, crw oh and yes lots of tandems i do have a really pointed view don't i.

i did 5 skydives today 4 yersterday 42 to date this month i'm off to skysisters boogie with my girlfriend so we can get coaching as a freestyle team and learn about atmonauti etc. and utilise free 1 on 1 coaching we're doing 50 jumps in 9 days if we can. then we're off to thailand for 15 days. all of this paid for by the last 2 months yes two months skydiving (274) tandem video's.

you shouldn't assume.

assumption is the mother of all fuck ups.

i had no money when i started skydiving now i do, because i skydive.

i have the same amount of jumps as you in less than half the time. this is because i did a skydive diploma got 96% and applied myserlf intensely for the last 3 years on call 364 day of each year.

but because i do 'only' camera i guess that is all i know about eh.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

[Scottyskydives 0]

I did the Diploma in Commercial Skydiving in New Zealand as well and it was the best thing I've ever done. You don't realise how good it was until you get out into the real world and compare what you've learnt with other guys. The number of jumps you've got is totally believable if you've come from the same school.