hedda 0 #1 October 13, 2008 I have 135 PD Spectre, which I am very satisfied with, unbelievable smooth openings and it´s fun and quick. But the PD storm has caught my attention, and the question is, what are the differences from PD Storm to Spectre ? Would be very nice to hear opinions from someone who has experienced the storm CP Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tdog 0 #2 October 13, 2008 Quote I have 135 PD Spectre, which I am very satisfied with, unbelievable smooth openings and it´s fun and quick. But the PD storm has caught my attention, and the question is, what are the differences from PD Storm to Spectre ? Would be very nice to hear opinions from someone who has experienced the storm CP I put 4 jumps on a 135 (loaded 1.7). I found the canopy to be a little more sporty with more range on the controls and a real nice flare. Openings very nice. Lots of range on the toggles before stall. Very zippy turns. Two of my landings were with a 180ish front riser. I got a pretty nice plane out too. I think you should demo one... I know if I was looking for a 7 cell I would get the Storm over the Spectre. Heck, I would have gotten the Storm over my Sabre 2 that I use for wingsuiting. Also, I don't think any other manufacture can compete in this arena, PD has a real unique product. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Skwrl 56 #3 October 13, 2008 I demo'ed a Spectre 190 (six jumps), and I ended up buying a Storm 190 (now about 35 jumps). (I wanted a seven cell that would be less prone to linetwists given that I pretty much wingsuit exclusively.) Both opened nicely and on heading. I found the flare on the Storm to be stonger/more effective than the Spectre. The Spectre seemed to have a steeper glide than the Storm. The Storm seemed more responsive on turn/toggle inputs. Your results may vary.Skwrl Productions - Wingsuit Photography Northeast Bird School - Chief Logistics Guy and Video Dork Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Baksteen 84 #4 October 13, 2008 I have twenty jumps on a Spectre 190, after which I changed to a Storm 190. First a demo (30 jumps) then my own (20 jumps). All are conservative estimates. The spectre had about 50-100 jumps on it and both Storms were brand new. I basically agree with what Skwrl is saying, but I'd like to add that the Storm is amazingly responsive to rear riser input, but has higher pressure on the fronts. I dunno about the glide angle, but the Storm loses a lot more altitude in turns. It somehow has a lot more forward speed than you'd expect if you're used to a spectre while it still seems to carry you a lot further (if that's even possible) - until the last ten, fifteen jumps I kept misjudging forward speed and overshooting my target by half a dropzone while I could land the spectre reasonably accurately from jump #1. Then again, accuracy has never been my strong suit. Maybe it's just a matter of a penny that dropped quicker when I was jumping the Spectre. Basically I had already decided to buy the Spectre when I demoed the Storm, just out of curiosity. It depends on what you want. I wanted a snappy canopy because I enjoy flying and canopy control and wanted a challenge suitable for my experience level. If a parachute is merely a way of getting to the earth relatively safely after doing your stuff, the Spectre is an excellent choice. The spectre in itself is a great canopy, had I not demoed the Storm I am certain that the Spectre would have kept me happy for several hundreds of jumps too. The storm is simply a bit more of a challenge at equal size and loading. In my newb opinion the Storm is not a replacement for the Spectre, but the logical next step."That formation-stuff in freefall is just fun and games but with an open parachute it's starting to sound like, you know, an extreme sport." ~mom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ASTKU 1 #5 October 13, 2008 I found this thread to be helpful.... http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3253613;search_string=pd%20storm;#3253613 BTW I jump a spectre and was supposed to demo a storm but they sent me the wrong size.oops. they are very helpful and definitely take care of their customers! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites councilman24 37 #6 October 13, 2008 Quote But the PD storm has caught my attention,..... Glad to know all those advertising dollars are going to good use.I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites hedda 0 #7 October 14, 2008 so Storm has a better, faster glide, and the same smooth head on openings like the Spectre, and the flare is betterSounds like a little more challenging CP than the Spectre, which I find for my present and near future use, good enough. But I´m a little doubtful about the buy because I want a CP I can have for a little longer time then just a hundred more jumps really. I am not too experienced yet, but I love CP flying, and I practise front-riser turns (not in the landings.. yet!) and love to play with and test my canopy Does anyone have any more info about the reaction of riser/ toggle turns? To get my Spectre on a full front-riser turn, I have to work hard and precise to get them right. Empty the cells with toggles and then pull like heck! Maybe the Storm is more responsive? Everybody is telling me to get a Sabre2 instead, but I do not prefer the openings(where is my end cells?????) and generally not a fan sadly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dragon2 2 #8 October 14, 2008 If you're interested in swooping i'd recommend a sabre 2 or 2nd best a fusion over a spectre, storm, safire, pilot etc. ciel bleu, Saskia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites phoenixlpr 0 #9 October 14, 2008 QuoteSounds like a little more challenging CP than the Spectre, which I find for my present and near future use, good enough. If you want to get involved in CP, get a Sabre2 ;). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites d123 3 #10 October 15, 2008 Quotethe flare is better When you say better do you mean you can land it easier in no wind situation or it stays longer level with the ground? Spectre already has a powerful flare, popping up is really easy even at the bottom end.Lock, Dock and Two Smoking Barrelrolls! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnskydiver688 0 #11 October 15, 2008 I am a fan of the Fusion. While the openings can be a bit wonky, but soft, the landings are very nice and the flare point is fairly intuitive. It planes out quite nicely too.Sky Canyon Wingsuiters Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
tdog 0 #2 October 13, 2008 Quote I have 135 PD Spectre, which I am very satisfied with, unbelievable smooth openings and it´s fun and quick. But the PD storm has caught my attention, and the question is, what are the differences from PD Storm to Spectre ? Would be very nice to hear opinions from someone who has experienced the storm CP I put 4 jumps on a 135 (loaded 1.7). I found the canopy to be a little more sporty with more range on the controls and a real nice flare. Openings very nice. Lots of range on the toggles before stall. Very zippy turns. Two of my landings were with a 180ish front riser. I got a pretty nice plane out too. I think you should demo one... I know if I was looking for a 7 cell I would get the Storm over the Spectre. Heck, I would have gotten the Storm over my Sabre 2 that I use for wingsuiting. Also, I don't think any other manufacture can compete in this arena, PD has a real unique product. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skwrl 56 #3 October 13, 2008 I demo'ed a Spectre 190 (six jumps), and I ended up buying a Storm 190 (now about 35 jumps). (I wanted a seven cell that would be less prone to linetwists given that I pretty much wingsuit exclusively.) Both opened nicely and on heading. I found the flare on the Storm to be stonger/more effective than the Spectre. The Spectre seemed to have a steeper glide than the Storm. The Storm seemed more responsive on turn/toggle inputs. Your results may vary.Skwrl Productions - Wingsuit Photography Northeast Bird School - Chief Logistics Guy and Video Dork Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Baksteen 84 #4 October 13, 2008 I have twenty jumps on a Spectre 190, after which I changed to a Storm 190. First a demo (30 jumps) then my own (20 jumps). All are conservative estimates. The spectre had about 50-100 jumps on it and both Storms were brand new. I basically agree with what Skwrl is saying, but I'd like to add that the Storm is amazingly responsive to rear riser input, but has higher pressure on the fronts. I dunno about the glide angle, but the Storm loses a lot more altitude in turns. It somehow has a lot more forward speed than you'd expect if you're used to a spectre while it still seems to carry you a lot further (if that's even possible) - until the last ten, fifteen jumps I kept misjudging forward speed and overshooting my target by half a dropzone while I could land the spectre reasonably accurately from jump #1. Then again, accuracy has never been my strong suit. Maybe it's just a matter of a penny that dropped quicker when I was jumping the Spectre. Basically I had already decided to buy the Spectre when I demoed the Storm, just out of curiosity. It depends on what you want. I wanted a snappy canopy because I enjoy flying and canopy control and wanted a challenge suitable for my experience level. If a parachute is merely a way of getting to the earth relatively safely after doing your stuff, the Spectre is an excellent choice. The spectre in itself is a great canopy, had I not demoed the Storm I am certain that the Spectre would have kept me happy for several hundreds of jumps too. The storm is simply a bit more of a challenge at equal size and loading. In my newb opinion the Storm is not a replacement for the Spectre, but the logical next step."That formation-stuff in freefall is just fun and games but with an open parachute it's starting to sound like, you know, an extreme sport." ~mom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ASTKU 1 #5 October 13, 2008 I found this thread to be helpful.... http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3253613;search_string=pd%20storm;#3253613 BTW I jump a spectre and was supposed to demo a storm but they sent me the wrong size.oops. they are very helpful and definitely take care of their customers! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 37 #6 October 13, 2008 Quote But the PD storm has caught my attention,..... Glad to know all those advertising dollars are going to good use.I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hedda 0 #7 October 14, 2008 so Storm has a better, faster glide, and the same smooth head on openings like the Spectre, and the flare is betterSounds like a little more challenging CP than the Spectre, which I find for my present and near future use, good enough. But I´m a little doubtful about the buy because I want a CP I can have for a little longer time then just a hundred more jumps really. I am not too experienced yet, but I love CP flying, and I practise front-riser turns (not in the landings.. yet!) and love to play with and test my canopy Does anyone have any more info about the reaction of riser/ toggle turns? To get my Spectre on a full front-riser turn, I have to work hard and precise to get them right. Empty the cells with toggles and then pull like heck! Maybe the Storm is more responsive? Everybody is telling me to get a Sabre2 instead, but I do not prefer the openings(where is my end cells?????) and generally not a fan sadly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dragon2 2 #8 October 14, 2008 If you're interested in swooping i'd recommend a sabre 2 or 2nd best a fusion over a spectre, storm, safire, pilot etc. ciel bleu, Saskia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phoenixlpr 0 #9 October 14, 2008 QuoteSounds like a little more challenging CP than the Spectre, which I find for my present and near future use, good enough. If you want to get involved in CP, get a Sabre2 ;). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
d123 3 #10 October 15, 2008 Quotethe flare is better When you say better do you mean you can land it easier in no wind situation or it stays longer level with the ground? Spectre already has a powerful flare, popping up is really easy even at the bottom end.Lock, Dock and Two Smoking Barrelrolls! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnskydiver688 0 #11 October 15, 2008 I am a fan of the Fusion. While the openings can be a bit wonky, but soft, the landings are very nice and the flare point is fairly intuitive. It planes out quite nicely too.Sky Canyon Wingsuiters Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
