missg8tordivr 0 #26 August 26, 2005 Oh sorry....that is what accupuncture focus' on. Mostly fixing the root of the problem not just masking it.*** F LORIDA! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vallerina 2 #27 August 26, 2005 QuoteOh sorry....that is what accupuncture focus' on. Mostly fixing the root of the problem not just masking it. You really believe that doctors usually don't try to fix the root of the problem?!?!?!?! Really, most doctors tend to be decent people that are very intelligent and have spent YEARS studying the human body and how it works. Do you think that they just don't know what the root of the problems are??? Or, do you think that they're just not very good people and know but don't want to fix it?There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ACMESkydiver 0 #28 August 26, 2005 QuoteThey can't tie the things they give out to actual prescription or delivery of the pharmaceuticals. Drug reps come by doctors offices all the time (I'd guess my wife [and generally her whole office staff] gets lunch from drug reps twice a week, on average), handing out stuff--food is most common, but pens, mugs, etc. They also leave samples of the medication. Most doctors use the samples as a way to give medication out to patients they know can't afford to buy it (so an indigent patient might go home with a prescription and a handful of sample packets). But drug reps are definitely not allowed to give doctors some kind of incentive or reimbursements (i.e. kickbacks) for prescribing specific medications. That's exactly right. I was trying to say the same thing...mebbe I wasn't very clear though. I believe there are some new 'gift' restrictions on how much $ amount the giveaways can be. Back in the old days, man you saw some pricey stuff! Many organizations have gift restrictions for good reason, and sometimes it's kinda sad...I tried to offer a cold energy drink to the police officer that stopped to help me when I was hit, but he said he couldn't even take that. ~Jaye Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
missg8tordivr 0 #29 August 26, 2005 I believe that there are many out there that don't try to figure out the 'actual' root yes....I am not saying all. I also think that there can be underlining causes, such as eating the wrong food, work stress....which is not looked at all the time as a cause. I think that most Drs know what they are doing, but there are many things that can cause for instance a runny nose....one of them being eating too much dairy. Ultimatly I don't think that Drs are bad people and I know that they do want to help.*** F LORIDA! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vallerina 2 #30 August 26, 2005 QuoteI also think that there can be underlining causes, such as eating the wrong food, Yes, and doctors tend to know these things. I don't know if I've ever seen a doctor who didn't ask me about my lifestyle. QuoteUltimatly I don't think that Drs are bad people and I know that they do want to help. So, what you are saying is that they just don't know enough to help?There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #31 August 26, 2005 QuoteI believe there are some new 'gift' restrictions on how much $ amount the giveaways can be. There are also restrictions on who the gifts can be to. So, 30 years ago, you'd see gifts given to spouses, children, etc. Nowadays, that's pretty much off limits.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #32 August 26, 2005 QuoteI think that most Drs know what they are doing, but there are many things that can cause for instance a runny nose... I have had the opportunity to meet many doctors both professionally and socially. Almost universally, they try to address "lifestyle" issues first. Usually, the are quite frustrated by patients who just want a "magic pill" to fix the problem. I can't count the number of times I've heard "if they'd just lose 50 pounds, they wouldn't need any medication..." Doctors are very cognizant of other contributing factors, and generally try to address those factors first. It's just that we patients are often too lazy to do our PT exercises, or just get some exercise, or lose weight, or whatever, because we think it's easier to just take that magic pill that will cure whatever ails us.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
missg8tordivr 0 #33 August 26, 2005 It is a combination of what the patient is willing to divulge and what they are willing to do also. Yes, I think that there are instances when they just don't know enough to help.*** F LORIDA! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vallerina 2 #34 August 26, 2005 QuoteYes, I think that there are instances when they just don't know enough to help. Yes, and that's why no one should ever believe everything someone tells them. There will always be exceptions. However, most doctors do try to fix the root of the problem, and they are usually the most qualified people to do so.There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Elisha 1 #35 August 26, 2005 QuoteQuoteI think that most Drs know what they are doing, but there are many things that can cause for instance a runny nose... I have had the opportunity to meet many doctors both professionally and socially. Almost universally, they try to address "lifestyle" issues first. Usually, the are quite frustrated by patients who just want a "magic pill" to fix the problem. I can't count the number of times I've heard "if they'd just lose 50 pounds, they wouldn't need any medication..." Doctors are very cognizant of other contributing factors, and generally try to address those factors first. It's just that we patients are often too lazy to do our PT exercises, or just get some exercise, or lose weight, or whatever, because we think it's easier to just take that magic pill that will cure whatever ails us. My uncle is an M.D. and sees patients, but I would not want him as my personal physician. I think he is probably fine for many (more disease related) ailments, but most western M.D.s are very close minded regarding muscular-skeletal issues and eastern/alternative treatments. This has been a changing trend, thank God, in the medical field over the past few years (places like Kaiser are wising up by offering Yoga classes, for example on site!). My uncle refers to massage, chiropractic and even something like Yoga as, "I suppose it's like a good back rub." A back rub?!?! He really doesn't know shit with an attitude like that. When my grandfather (his dad) died of hear disease 20 years ago, he was able to see the heart attack happening on the machine (he was either in medical school or a new doctor back then) and mad that the doctor/nurse in the hospital at the time wasn't giving proper care, but still doesn't mean my uncle isn't defficient in other practice areas. Val, Yes, as demonstrated above, I definitely agree with what missg8tordiver is saying - some doctors just suck and aren't doing there job! Why is it that I have to emphatically request an x-ray or an MRI while the doctor is reluctant? Wouldn't they really be doing their job if they could actually see if there is some damage under there? Even if it is some inhibiting scar tissue where surgery would be optional or maybe other physical therapies could help, wouldn't that be useful information? Many doctors aren't willing to even do this though unless you have bone and blood sticking out, can't walk or move an appendage. I think you give them too much credit sometimes. Just because they've had the training doesn't mean they may competently practice with it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
missg8tordivr 0 #36 August 26, 2005 QuoteYes, and that's why no one should ever believe everything someone tells them. HAHAHA....so what your saying is, don't listen to doctors! *** F LORIDA! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vallerina 2 #37 August 26, 2005 Quotesome doctors just suck and aren't doing there job! Yes, just like everyone else in the world. QuoteI think you give them too much credit sometimes. Let me ask you this question then...who do you go to see for your pap smears?There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
missg8tordivr 0 #38 August 26, 2005 QuoteJust because they've had the training doesn't mean they may competently practice with it. Bingo!!*** F LORIDA! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vallerina 2 #39 August 26, 2005 QuoteQuoteJust because they've had the training doesn't mean they may competently practice with it. Bingo!! Once again, in every single profession, you will find people who are not doing their job. So, just because there are a few "bad doctors," does that mean someone who does not have knowledge of the human body is better qualified to treat conditions?There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
missg8tordivr 0 #40 August 26, 2005 QuoteLet me ask you this question then...who do you go to see for your pap smears? I used to go to a Nurse Practitioner who I liked a hell of a lot better than the Dr that I now see.*** F LORIDA! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #41 August 26, 2005 QuoteMy uncle is an M.D. and sees patients, but I would not want him as my personal physician. I think he is probably fine for many (more disease related) ailments, but most western M.D.s are very close minded regarding muscular-skeletal issues... What is his specialty?-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vallerina 2 #42 August 26, 2005 QuoteQuoteLet me ask you this question then...who do you go to see for your pap smears? I used to go to a Nurse Practitioner who I liked a hell of a lot better than the Dr that I now see. Why not go to an accupuncturist or an herbalist?There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Elisha 1 #43 August 26, 2005 I'm a male - I don't get pap smears, but I would obviously see a doctor for them. Additionally, it's also about specialists - why they have the. Problem is, your primary physician in many places is the 'gateway' and that gate frequently wants to make decisions for you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
missg8tordivr 0 #44 August 26, 2005 Quotedoes that mean someone who does not have knowledge of the human body is better qualified to treat conditions? No...I didn't say that. You have to have the right knowlede AND be able to use it properly to provide accurate treatments.*** F LORIDA! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Elisha 1 #45 August 26, 2005 Depends on the problem! Again, we know that we can interview riggers, DZs, etc. per se and go where we feel comfortable. With medicine and insurance, we frequently don't have the freedom/option to do this. And I got news for ya Vallerina - there are M.D.s that have eastern medicinal training as well and would completely agree with me! I have an excellent article from a Dr. Andrew Weil (bushy beard guy) that explains it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vallerina 2 #46 August 26, 2005 QuoteI'm a male - I don't get pap smears, but I would obviously see a doctor for them. Oops! Sorry! So, you would obviously see a doctor for them. Why? If doctors aren't really trying to help, don't know how to help, or some other sort of conspiracy, why would you go to a doctor for an important checkup?There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Elisha 1 #47 August 26, 2005 Western medicine has the complex that they know everything there is to know about every sort of ailment that can affect the human body. You compound this arrogance, human judgment and the fallacy that western medicine just man NOT have the best answers for certain ailments and you have a vast spectrum of possible outcomes. As for pap smears, what little I know, western medicine knows how to diagnose them pretty well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Elisha 1 #48 August 26, 2005 No clue. I think he practices General Medicine and does a lot of research. He might be somewhat of a cardiology specialist, but that is a complete guess. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vallerina 2 #49 August 26, 2005 QuoteAgain, we know that we can interview riggers, DZs, etc. per se and go where we feel comfortable. Actually, quite a few people in smaller areas can't pick who their riggers are. Quotethis. And I got news for ya Vallerina - there are M.D.s that have eastern medicinal training as well and would completely agree with me! I never said that all eastern medicine is wrong. What I am saying is that there are people who have a ton of knowledge of how a human body works, and there are people with limited knowledge of it. Many people choose to believe those with limited knowledge over lots of knowledge. I'm not saying that no herbs or alternative treatments will work.There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #50 August 26, 2005 Why would you expect him to have extensive knowledge of musculo-skeletal issues, then? That'd be a bit like expecting an herbalist to know acupuncture, I'd think.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
