Vallerina 2 #1 August 26, 2005 This is yet another thing I just really don't get. Why do some people NOT listen to doctors who have studied the human body for YEARS and, instead, listen to some guy who makes a living selling crap on informecials? I think my favorite parts are when they say, "Drug companies and doctors just want your money!" while trying to sell you overpriced books. My friend's theory is that Gen X was raised to distrust authority. I just don't get it!There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
missg8tordivr 0 #2 August 26, 2005 Some Drs are really full of crap and like to put people on all kinds of meds. I don't think that meds are the answer for everything. Not only that but most of the time these meds will cause all kinds of additional side effects. I go to an accupunturist who give vitamins and natural herbs for remidies and they work just fine, with no additional side effects. It has been around for thousands of years. So I can ask you the same questions, why don't people listen to them?*** F LORIDA! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vallerina 2 #3 August 26, 2005 QuoteSome Drs are really full of crap and like to put people on all kinds of meds. Yeah, I almost threw on a disclaimer saying that you shouldn't believe everything every doctor tells you....There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #4 August 26, 2005 OH jeez, this is something I deal with a lot! I don't think this is confined to this generation. There's always been someone trying to hawk some BS snake oil or stupid diet plan or whatever. And they just have to say "Oh, the doctors don't want you to know this secret! They just want to keep you sick so they can keep making money off of treating you!" That line right there should be the Red Flag of Bullshit, but things like this appeal to some people. The snake-oil salesmen sell bullshit that's easy to understand. In Bullshit Land, you just need to read one Book of Bullshit and you're an expert. Much better than the long hard slog of studying and working in real science for years. I could list plenty of examples over the years where people go from one stupid fad diet to another, based on what book is selling the fastest. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
psf 1 #5 August 26, 2005 any way you look at it, herbals or prescription.... they are all drugs with some kind of side effect. The key is knowing what the trade off is.... are you willing to put up with the side effects for the result? What kills me is when a person demands to be given a prescription but are unwilling to change their lifestyle. ie. asthmatic smoker that works in a tire burning plant..... quit smoking, and get a new job... and maybe you won't need as many drugs... food for thought.ignorance is not bliss Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #6 August 26, 2005 No question that some herbs & nutrients are useful. Many of our pharmaceuticals were isolated from plants. But even "natural" (whatever that means) products can have bad side effects or be carcinogenic. That doesn't mean that you can say to hell with all pharmaceuticals, and anything someone proposes as a "natural cure" without any proof, should just be blindly accepted. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Buried 0 #7 August 26, 2005 some doctors get paid x $ to push/ use certain drugs should their patient need a drug for x problem. sometimes that drug isn't the best one out there or there are other natual ways to fix the problem... when inturn can lead to greed and mistrust of that party Where is my fizzy-lifting drink? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vallerina 2 #8 August 26, 2005 Quotesome doctors get paid x $ to push/ use certain drugs should their patient need a drug for x problem. Some scam artists get paid x $ for selling stupid books. Quotecan lead to greed Everyone wants to make money. Trying to say that you shouldn't trust people because they're in it for the money...well, DUH! People generally don't work for free. I still don't understand why people would buy that crap. Really, when someone studies the human body in such extensive detail, why wouldn't you take their word over some foofoo quackjob?There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Elisha 1 #9 August 26, 2005 QuoteSome Drs are really full of crap and like to put people on all kinds of meds. I don't think that meds are the answer for everything. Not only that but most of the time these meds will cause all kinds of additional side effects. I go to an accupunturist who give vitamins and natural herbs for remidies and they work just fine, with no additional side effects. It has been around for thousands of years. So I can ask you the same questions, why don't people listen to them? Definitely agree here. I've had scoliosis since I was a teen and most doctors don't seem to have much worthwhile advice. "Oh, I can prescribe some muscle relaxers if you want." Some would recommend a physical therapist, but then, some are good and some are full of crap. After a spasm in my lower neck a couple of years ago that left me barely able to move my head for a few days, this lame doctor recommended a PT. The PT was a former wrestler and seemed great! He seemed to understand what my difficulties were and could work with me. It turns out, this PT wasn't the regular guy, but some floater, subbing at different Kaiser's in the area. I went to another PT in a different location and he was useless! All he said was to get some tennis balls and rub your back against the well with them - as if that would magically cure everything! I've had deep tissue massage, rolfing, chiropractic, and practiced (and still do) Pilates and Yoga, and all of these give MUCH better results than anything doctors could advise. Practicing Yoga consistently seems to be the most effective physical therapy by far. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Buried 0 #10 August 26, 2005 Quotewouldn't you take their word over some foofoo quackjob? foofoo quack jobs are more entertaining.. entertainment = $ in the US I'm just playing.. I couldn't tell you, but then again I dont go to the doctor much. Where is my fizzy-lifting drink? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #11 August 26, 2005 Quote but then again I dont go to the doctor much. Yep, neither do I. I grew up around people who were into the latest fru-fru dietary thing. Not necessarily to lose weight, sometimes it was some kinda holistic la di da thingy or whatever. But it was always something trendy. vegan one month, next month, the fit-for-life diet (that's the one by Harvey & Marilyn Diamond, who say all kindsa crap, like only fruit before noon, don't combine high carbs with high protein food, and other BS), or some other wierd-ass dietary restrictions. I've never been on a dietary "regimen" my entire life. My approach is: try to exercisee and eat a balanced diet with more whole grains, fruits & veggies, if you start putting on weight cut back on the beer & get some exercise. End result is I seem to be healthier and have more energy than the people on the trendy dietary regimens, who always seem to have some "trendy" disease or other. I think the most fashionable diseases have been chronic fatigue syndrom and candida yeast infections, but I know there are other more general things, such as a general lack of energy, inability to handle cold weather, frequent colds & other infections, etc. etc. Frikkin' eat like a human being and exercise, and you'll be fine. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vallerina 2 #12 August 26, 2005 QuoteFrikkin' eat like a human being and exercise, and you'll be fine. NO! Doctors won't tell you that either! There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dougiefresh 0 #13 August 26, 2005 QuoteWhy do some people NOT listen to doctors who have studied the human body for YEARS and, instead, listen to some guy who makes a living selling crap on informecials? Because people are dumb. C'mon, Val, you knew that already.Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so. --Douglas Adams Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tso-d_chris 0 #14 August 26, 2005 Quotedon't combine high carbs with high protein food, and other BS That is pretty old dietary advice (1000+ years), and based in what science now understands as fact. High carb foods and high protein foods are digested using different enzymes, which are counterproductive to one another. Separating your carbs from your proteins allows your body to obtain more energy from less food, by allowing a more complete digestion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
missg8tordivr 0 #15 August 26, 2005 I use pharmaceuticals as well as herbal meds. I was just throwing out the fact that herbal remidies are just not as accepted as meds perscribed by a Dr. I don't have a problem going to any Dr.s as long as I feel comforatable with them and how they practice. It is like most things....do your research before blindly stepping into a Dr. office or into and sort of meds or herbal remidies.*** F LORIDA! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
missg8tordivr 0 #16 August 26, 2005 QuoteDefinitely agree here. I've had scoliosis since I was a teen and most doctors don't seem to have much worthwhile advice. "Oh, I can prescribe some muscle relaxers if you want." [Crazy ] Most (not all) Dr.s will do that same thing, give meds to cover up the symptoms and not deal with what the real problem is. Wouldn't it be smarter to try and find what the cause of the pain and fix that instead?! Just seems like better practice to me. Of course there are things that can't be fixed where meds might be the only way to get through day to day life. If that is the case, then fine...give me the pain killers. *** F LORIDA! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pendejo 0 #17 August 26, 2005 I'd tell you to ask my buddy Boomer..... But he's dead. The doctor prescribed him a med that killed him over about 7 weeks.... They kept telling him it wasn't the meds... It was some kind of virus that he had.... Turns out what they were giving him was a derivative of something he was allergic to... It didn't come out till after the fact. I guess thats why I don't take ANYTHING they say as gospel. If he had used his brain instead of just doing what they said he would be here today. And to those that would say something like "its his own fault." I agree... I was only answering her question. Pendejo He who swoops the ditch and does not get out buys the BEER!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #18 August 26, 2005 Quotesome doctors get paid x $ to push/ use certain drugs... I can say with authority that this is a violation of federal law in the United States. Can you cite actual instances of this occuring, or are you outside the US?-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vallerina 2 #19 August 26, 2005 QuoteMost (not all) Dr.s will do that same thing, give meds to cover up the symptoms and not deal with what the real problem is. HUH????There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Elisha 1 #20 August 26, 2005 QuoteQuoteDefinitely agree here. I've had scoliosis since I was a teen and most doctors don't seem to have much worthwhile advice. "Oh, I can prescribe some muscle relaxers if you want." [Crazy ] Most (not all) Dr.s will do that same thing, give meds to cover up the symptoms and not deal with what the real problem is. Wouldn't it be smarter to try and find what the cause of the pain and fix that instead?! Just seems like better practice to me. Of course there are things that can't be fixed where meds might be the only way to get through day to day life. If that is the case, then fine...give me the pain killers. Of course! But that's part of the whole problem with western medicine. They usually don't want to try and fix something until it really is broke (e.g. surgery). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
missg8tordivr 0 #21 August 26, 2005 What do you mean huh? I thought it was perfectly clear. Well at least it is in my head *** F LORIDA! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Buried 0 #22 August 26, 2005 QuoteQuotesome doctors get paid x $ to push/ use certain drugs... I can say with authority that this is a violation of federal law in the United States. Can you cite actual instances of this occuring, or are you outside the US? not direct instances, myself.. I guess i should have said 'incentives'. I know that one to be true. Where is my fizzy-lifting drink? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vallerina 2 #23 August 26, 2005 It just makes absolutely no sense. If doctors aren't trying to fix the "root" problems, who is??? Also, I find it very hard to believe that most doctors don't try to fix the root problem.There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ACMESkydiver 0 #24 August 26, 2005 QuoteQuotesome doctors get paid x $ to push/ use certain drugs... I can say with authority that this is a violation of federal law in the United States. Can you cite actual instances of this occuring, or are you outside the US? I think the above statement is untrue, but not far off. Many pharmacology companies provide 'samples', and 'incentives' (these incentives can be anything from radios to baseball tickets!) to pharmacies and doctors. I have friends that are both pharmacists and doctors, and have seen and worked with both. I know of no pharmacist or doctor, however, that has ever taken advantage of a pharmacology company's gimmicks to further that company. I have had the privilege of working with/knowing some wonderful pharmacists and doctors in my life. Prescription manufacturers are for-profit businesses, just like any other. They would like you to see their brand of acetaminophen (Tylenol) or what have you.~Jaye Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #25 August 26, 2005 They can't tie the things they give out to actual prescription or delivery of the pharmaceuticals. Drug reps come by doctors offices all the time (I'd guess my wife [and generally her whole office staff] gets lunch from drug reps twice a week, on average), handing out stuff--food is most common, but pens, mugs, etc. They also leave samples of the medication. Most doctors use the samples as a way to give medication out to patients they know can't afford to buy it (so an indigent patient might go home with a prescription and a handful of sample packets). But drug reps are definitely not allowed to give doctors some kind of incentive or reimbursements (i.e. kickbacks) for prescribing specific medications.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
