lisamariewillbe 1 #26 August 30, 2005 Uhhh pretty sure that doesnt work.... there are much better methods... even shooting elephants is hard to do unless you shoot the right place. One of my favorite yet very sad short stories comes from Orwell "How to shoot and elephant" heres the link to a online version http://www.online-literature.com/orwell/887/Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
goose491 0 #27 August 30, 2005 QuoteUhhh pretty sure that doesnt work.... there are much better methods... [/url] Uhhh, seen it work. As far as better methods, perhaps you'd like to explain them to the African Tribes that use this one. My Karma ran over my Dogma!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisamariewillbe 1 #28 August 30, 2005 Which african tribe uses clubs to kill an animal the size and strength of a elephant?Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wildblue 7 #29 August 30, 2005 QuoteThen everyone comes out of the woodwork with spears for the kill while it is in too much pain and too incapacitated to run er, walk really fast, away. it's like incest - you're substituting convenience for quality Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisamariewillbe 1 #30 August 30, 2005 I meant to type that, I was thinking of the groin thing when I typed.Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Conundrum 1 #31 August 30, 2005 QuoteIn the 1400's, a law was set forth that a man was not allowed to beat his wife with a stick thicker than his thumb - from which we get the expression "rule of thumb". Eh, perhaps it should have been the rule of wrist. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
goose491 0 #32 August 30, 2005 QuoteWhich african tribe uses clubs to kill an animal the size and strength of a elephant? None of them. It would be pretty difficult to club an Elephant to death. What I described in my post is that one guy (probably the one that lost at the African version of papper rock scissors..) sneaks up behind the elephant, gets between it's hind legs, and strikes it in the genitals with a club (sometimes they'll stab instead). Then many others, who were hiding, come out and get it with spears while it cannot get away for the pain in it's nutz. My Karma ran over my Dogma!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sunshine 2 #33 August 30, 2005 QuoteI meant to type that, I was thinking of the groin thing when I typed. Oh great, now i'm gonna be thinking about groin all day... ___________________________________________ meow I get a Mike hug! I get a Mike hug! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
goose491 0 #34 August 30, 2005 QuoteI meant to type that, I was thinking of the groin thing when I typed. Hmmmm, interesting... There seems to be a lot of DZ.commers, thinking of the groin while posting. My Karma ran over my Dogma!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisamariewillbe 1 #35 August 30, 2005 I still wanna know the tribes, Im trying to goggle it, its hard enough trying to shoot one which well isnt bullets more powerful then the spear? I jsut dont believe that they really find that way of killing to be useful unless its with a pygmy elephant which are only about 6 feet tallSudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
goose491 0 #36 August 30, 2005 QuoteI still wanna know the tribes, Im trying to goggle it, its hard enough trying to shoot one which well isnt bullets more powerful then the spear? I jsut dont believe that they really find that way of killing to be useful unless its with a pygmy elephant which are only about 6 feet tall Is it your suggestion that elephants are immortal? My Karma ran over my Dogma!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisamariewillbe 1 #37 August 30, 2005 blahhhhh jeesh I try to be serious for once and LEARN something and no one is pointing me in the right direction. No there not immortal. Jeesh have you ever stood next to a elephant ? Ive help uhhh collect samples and well I from my readings can not picture a hunt going on like this without some of the tribes people killed as a result. So Ill go back to my smartass self once Im pointed in the right direction. I am about to call the head of the elephant dept at the JAX zoo in a minute.... sigh Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wildblue 7 #38 August 30, 2005 Elephant Killing with arrows & spears They've been killing elephants since long before guns were invented. Anything will die once it loses enough blood. Hell, if they can kill a whale with something sharp, why not an elephant?it's like incest - you're substituting convenience for quality Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 35 #39 August 30, 2005 QuoteQuoteI meant to type that, I was thinking of the groin thing when I typed. Oh great, now i'm gonna be thinking about groin all day... Remember the Cheers episode with Sam Malone trying out a new job as a sports announcer on the local news? He breaks out into a rap song and starts singing "groooooin, groooooin, groooooin injury" that was sooooo bad! "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
goose491 0 #40 August 30, 2005 Quote I am about to call the head of the elephant dept at the JAX zoo in a minute.... sigh I don't think they hunt elephant with spears at the JAX zoo Lisa. (okay okay, I'm being a smartass I admit it. Just teasin' you... I'm actually looking for some sort of link for ya.) My Karma ran over my Dogma!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisamariewillbe 1 #41 August 30, 2005 Thank you,.... that helped a bit but not to be anal retentive, nothing was said about ambushing the elephants clubbing there genitals and then spearing... it seems that these were already trapped and not moving... but it is giving me stuff to further my readings...Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisamariewillbe 1 #42 August 30, 2005 QuoteI don't think they hunt elephant with spears at the JAX zoo Lisa. no we use spoons and duct tapeSudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wildblue 7 #43 August 30, 2005 QuoteThank you,.... that helped a bit but not to be anal retentive, nothing was said about ambushing the elephants clubbing there genitals and then spearing... it seems that these were already trapped and not moving... but it is giving me stuff to further my readings... I'm guessing kicking the elephants in the nuts is more bravado and less hunting technique. Still, an elephant doesn't have to be trapped or standing still to get a couple spears and arrows in it. Try Google - "clubbing elephant in genitals" it's like incest - you're substituting convenience for quality Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
goose491 0 #44 August 30, 2005 Quote...can not picture a hunt going on like this without some of the tribes people killed as a result. I never said tribes people weren't killed as a result. Actually, many did/do. Hunting elephant is serious business. Sometimes, a kill can take hours but they have to keep at it, even upon seeing buddies fall. Apparently, letting one get away all injured and such is pretty bad juju. They will have a pretty foul taste in their mouths about humans and can even come back to get real nasty with the tribes that hurt them. "An elephant never forgets!" My Karma ran over my Dogma!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisamariewillbe 1 #45 August 30, 2005 Okay this is what I understand from our curator. As verbatium as I can remember... there are many tribes (giving some weird names I cant pronounce nor spell) that as their traditions still continue to hunt elephants. Generally someone at the top of the heiarchy bullies the animal into shock and rage where as the others will attack the animal... They tend to try to go between the ribs and sometimes around the eyes. More often then not, young males about to reach must, are the target as they have yet to reach maturity and thus being smaller yet enough to help the tribe thrieve... A avg size 14 year old elephant can feed a tribe for quite some time, and as zoo officals we although do not condone the killing of this specis, are well aware that maslows theory of human needs comes into play. We ourselves have okay and he just went on and on.... He is going to send me links.... This is almost as bad as the one time I asked about the difference in jaguars and amur leopards.... im so excited, Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
goose491 0 #46 August 30, 2005 QuoteI'm guessing kicking the elephants in the nuts is more bravado and less hunting technique. No no, in this case it was really to hinder it before moving in. They were attacking on relatively open ground and there were several elephants. The thinking was that if you attack with a horde of people, all the elephants stampeed and whatnot, there is a good chance of losing your prey, and of losing many men. Instead, they sneak one guy in, who lands a crotch-shot. The elephant wails in pain and this makes all the other elephants take off in fear and confusion but for a moments time, this one is unable to move.... enter the horde of spear-men. Of course, the bravado factor involved in being that guy is HUGE! Being the one that sneaks in is, in itself, a display of manhood for up and coming young hunters. Anyway, how did Neanderthal man kill wooly-mammoth?.. Not with guns I'd bet My Karma ran over my Dogma!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisamariewillbe 1 #47 August 30, 2005 Quotehow did Neanderthal man kill wooly-mammoth?.. Not with guns I'd bet evidence suggest that the skin of a elephant is STRONGER then that of a mammoth... also , we know very little about the habits of the mammoth. So who knows which would be a harder kill , What if you killed the head of the matriarch ? Im assuming if someone tried to take out the queen , none of the humans would survive... My other questions.... (jeesh I dont want to call them back... I get long lectures and Im to busy to listen right now sigh) is although elephants skin is sensitive to things like infections and such, would it be that simple for a avg man to put enough force with a club to hurt the family jewels of an elephant enough to cause him to be incapacitated? . Think of the angle in which he must not only aim but also swing.Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kris 0 #48 August 30, 2005 QuoteEh, perhaps it should have been the rule of wrist. I can't believe that just fucking happened! Is it dead?! Nice to see you again, Chelle!Sky, Muff Bro, Rodriguez Bro, and Bastion of Purity and Innocence!™ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
goose491 0 #49 August 30, 2005 QuoteWhat if you killed the head of the matriarch ? Im assuming if someone tried to take out the queen , none of the humans would survive... Hehee , I guess... Anyway, from what I gather, they tend to go for the males and they tend to go for the ones who are old enough not to be procreating... unless they are in an area where the numbers are abundant enough not to worry about that sort of thing. Quote...would it be that simple for a avg man to put enough force with a club to hurt the family jewels of an elephant enough to cause him to be incapacitated? Yes! That is what I said. My goodness Lisa... the man hit the elephant in the nuts, the elephant cried out in pain, the rest of the elephants got away quickly, this one didn't move. That's how it happens. You don't know how sensitive nuts are do you? My Karma ran over my Dogma!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisamariewillbe 1 #50 August 30, 2005 QuoteYou don't know how sensitive nuts are do you? Ill have you know I spent over 7 months watching a elephant be trained to masterbate and then taking said samples to the airport... I know how it goes lolSudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
