NickDG 23 #1 September 1, 2005 I've a fifty dollar bill to donate to Ben Conatser if he'd agree to fill the DC-9 with food and water. Who could drop it right were it's needed better than us . . . ? NickD BASE 194 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #2 September 1, 2005 QuoteWho could drop it right were it's needed better than us . . . ? The US Military. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NickDG 23 #3 September 1, 2005 No way . . . History has shown that military jumpers never stay current enough. It's the reason the Soviet Union subsidized civilian skydiving all through the late 50s, 60s and early 70s. They knew these civilian jumpers could be quickly drafted into military service, and would need minimal supervision. "Military Paratroopers," in most cases, and who don’t participate in the sport side of parachuting, can make 50 jumps, and call it a 20 year career . . . NickD BASE 194 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tcnelson 1 #4 September 1, 2005 when you said drop food and water where it's needed, i didn't think you meant the food would be skydivers! "Don't talk to me like that assface...I don't work for you yet." - Fletch NBFT, Deseoso Rodriguez RB#1329 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #5 September 1, 2005 Why would you need "jumpers?" I have to agree with the SEALs when they say "If you have to jump in find another way." Of course...........technology is RAPIDLY changing that but it still holds true. Ummm...........airdrops would be a lot more helpful. If you want people in there you can go by boat I am sure. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #6 September 1, 2005 Quote in most cases, and who don’t participate in the sport side of parachuting, can make 50 jumps, and call it a 20 year career . . . Actually IF they stayed current they would have to make a minimum of 80+. Assuming every jump they made for currency was a night, combat equipment, mass tac from a "High Performance Air Force Aircraft." To be S/L current you have to jump once every 90 days. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NickDG 23 #7 September 1, 2005 I mean jumpmaster skills for the bundles, but I think you knew that . . . NickD BASE 194 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #8 September 1, 2005 QuoteI mean jumpmaster skills for the bundles, but I think you knew that . . . Doing it from a jet at 800Ft is A BIT differen't than an Otter at 14K. Yes..........aircrews also have training blocks to fill. They must drop personnel, bundles, short field landings, etc. Used to have LAPES but they did away with that. They aren't perfect but I'd bet on a C-130 crew over some beer drinking skydivers most days of the week. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NickDG 23 #9 September 1, 2005 Okay Brother, you convinced me, you know more than I do . . . NickD BASE 194 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #10 September 1, 2005 Quote Who could drop it right were it's needed better than us . . . ? I hope you're talking about spotting skills here! Would you really want to get your rig into that nasty nasty water? On the other hand, the video'd be cool ... okay, how about I go but use YOUR rig? That's the ticket. You can have it good, fast, or cheap: pick two. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #11 September 1, 2005 I watched some HALO guys that couldn't hit Laurenburg Airfield (very big) all day long. I bet I could out-spot any only-military JM any day of the week. Derek Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #12 September 2, 2005 Hmmmm...just heard talk that he's thinking about flying a load of supplies out there..... could be a rumor, but would be awful nice.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Beerlight 0 #13 September 2, 2005 And a C-17 drop is very automated. Let the FMS handle the equations, will put the load on target almost every time.... edited for: I can't fukin spell! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bhammond 0 #14 September 2, 2005 Im sorry, but my morbid sense of humor got the best of me and imagined bill younger spotting out of yuahn's "sp?" dc3... Florida would love the gift I know bills no longer with us , just hit my funny bone ... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,118 #15 September 2, 2005 Several pilot's groups have offered similar services. The entire area is under a TFR; no private flights in or out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #16 September 2, 2005 QuoteQuoteI mean jumpmaster skills for the bundles, but I think you knew that . . . Doing it from a jet at 800Ft is A BIT differen't than an Otter at 14K. Yes..........aircrews also have training blocks to fill. They must drop personnel, bundles, short field landings, etc. Used to have LAPES but they did away with that. They aren't perfect but I'd bet on a C-130 crew over some beer drinking skydivers most days of the week. LAPES was bad-ass!! I remember watching them practice at Clark AB over in the Philippines... they quit letting people watch after they lost the drag chute on a full water buffalo and it almost hit a truck full of ossifer-types that were rubbernecking... Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #17 September 2, 2005 Quoteafter they lost the drag chute on a full water buffalo and it almost hit a truck full of ossifer-types that were rubbernecking... Damn..............wish i had been the guy controlling that drop. "Adjust fire over!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ACMESkydiver 0 #18 September 2, 2005 Quotewhen you said drop food and water where it's needed, i didn't think you meant the food would be skydivers! Cannibals in NO need some help, too...~Jaye Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #19 September 2, 2005 QuoteQuoteafter they lost the drag chute on a full water buffalo and it almost hit a truck full of ossifer-types that were rubbernecking... Damn..............wish i had been the guy controlling that drop. "Adjust fire over!" "Add 100.... Fire for effect!!"Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Beerlight 0 #20 September 2, 2005 Or for those that remember, they could lift out the evacuees with the "Fulton Recovery System" on the MC-130.......... now that was badass!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #21 September 2, 2005 QuoteOr for those that remember, they could lift out the evacuees with the "Fulton Recovery System" on the MC-130.......... now that was badass!!! Now that's *REALLY* a "dope on a rope"!! Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ashtanga 0 #22 September 2, 2005 Can someone tell me a reason why the U.S. has not provided the area with food and water drops yet? I just don't get it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 35 #23 September 2, 2005 QuoteCan someone tell me a reason why the U.S. has not provided the area with food and water drops yet? I just don't get it. They've been having problems with people taking potshots at the helicopters, and others rushing to the approaching copters and preventing them from landing right on top of them, so they just hover 10 feet off the ground and drop the supplies. National Guard troops are still pouring in to set up security to make things a bit safer, but that's going to be hard to do. It's an unbelievable mess that I'm glad not to be in the middle of... "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Beerlight 0 #24 September 4, 2005 QuoteCan someone tell me a reason why the U.S. has not provided the area with food and water drops yet? I just don't get it. It's just not that easy to drop cargo INTO a city.....with untrained personnel walking around.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NickDG 23 #25 September 4, 2005 This is just a guess as I don't know what the ultimate plans for the DC-9 are, but couldn't it be used to offer zero-g rides? There's a company in Florida doing it and these flights are now considered the bottom tier of the "space tourism" industry. The others are the Russian Mig ride you can take for about $25,000 to the edge of space, the sub-orbital flights that soon will be available, and the 20 million dollar orbital flights that while limited, are available now. I don't know if there's something about the DC-9 that would prevent it from flying parabolic arcs, but if not, there's no doubt jumpers, and non-jumpers too, would be lined up around the block. NickD BASE 194 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
