Vallerina 2 #101 September 22, 2005 Quote(i) for women sex and romance go together, (ii) the "creep" (as women see it) wants sex without romance, and (iii) the "nice guy" tries to have romance without sex. (i) That's just kinda funny....do people really believe that? (ii) No, a creep is that guy that doesn't understand, "No," or tries to touch me in inappropriate ways. (iii) Not having sex with me is just mean. If a guy was withholding sex from me in exchange for romance, I'd be really mad. Attitudes towards sex have become more liberal, however, there is evidence that attitudes will soon be shifting back to more conservative.There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #102 September 22, 2005 Quote... (iii) Not having sex with me is just mean. If a woman was withholding sex from me in exchange for romance, I'd be really mad. How do you feel about a man saying that?My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vallerina 2 #103 September 22, 2005 QuoteQuote... (iii) Not having sex with me is just mean. If a woman was withholding sex from me in exchange for romance, I'd be really mad. How do you feel about a man saying that? I would feel fine. I've stated on here before that women using sex as a weapon to control a guy is silly.There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yardhippie 0 #104 September 22, 2005 QuoteQuote(i) for women sex and romance go together, (ii) the "creep" (as women see it) wants sex without romance, and (iii) the "nice guy" tries to have romance without sex. (i) That's just kinda funny....do people really believe that? (ii) No, a creep is that guy that doesn't understand, "No," or tries to touch me in inappropriate ways. (iii) Not having sex with me is just mean. If a guy was withholding sex from me in exchange for romance, I'd be really mad. Attitudes towards sex have become more liberal, however, there is evidence that attitudes will soon be shifting back to more conservative. You think so? as I see it the attitudes are consistetly shifting towards a more liberal stand. The "power" (for lack of a better word) in the sexual aspect, seems to be shifting towards women, as more of them realize that they too can enjoy themselvs and their partners if they so wish. IMHO. Goddam dirty hippies piss me off! ~GFD "What do I get for closing your rig?" ~ me "Anything you want." ~ female skydiver Mohoso Rodriguez #865 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #105 September 22, 2005 Quote...I would feel fine. I've stated on here before that women using sex as a weapon to control a guy is silly. WoooooooHoooo! A level-headed woman! I love it! (no sarcasm intended)My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vallerina 2 #106 September 22, 2005 QuoteI see it the attitudes are consistetly shifting towards a more liberal stand. Attitudes towards sex changed to a liberal stand back in the 60s. I don't see things being any more liberal now than they were ten years ago.There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
benforde 0 #107 September 22, 2005 I'm confused. I vote for sexual anarchy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yardhippie 0 #108 September 22, 2005 QuoteQuoteI see it the attitudes are consistetly shifting towards a more liberal stand. Attitudes towards sex changed to a liberal stand back in the 60s. I don't see things being any more liberal now than they were ten years ago. true but there was one major thing that happend between then and now that changed it. HIV. It really put a stop to open and "casual" sex. Not that it didnt happen, but really slowed it down. Peoples views changed. The reason I belive what I do now is: Look at the sex industry- porn, toys, outfits, and accessories. Not only is it out in the open more than it was 10, or even 5 years ago, its still growing. Look at TV-what our culture sees as acceptable is definitely more open thatn 10 years ago. Appearance-with the creation of the "metro" male, and manscaping the male side of society has seen a surge in desire to be very well groomed, not just a decent haircut. Women too seem to going a bit further. Also, both sexes seem to be more open to discussion of appearance. I realize some of this may be a bit superficial, but lest face it. Why would you want to have an intimate relationship with someone you werent attracted to? sorry CK, I think I hijacked your thread! Goddam dirty hippies piss me off! ~GFD "What do I get for closing your rig?" ~ me "Anything you want." ~ female skydiver Mohoso Rodriguez #865 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bolas 5 #109 September 22, 2005 QuoteNot having sex with me is just mean I'm sorry, I won't let it happen again, I promise. Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #110 September 22, 2005 QuoteQuoteEnforce policy??? Sure... Let's say you and I are fucking our brains out every night.. And dating other people. You know I'm a horny devil, I know you are a horny she-devil... Unless you trust me IMPLICITLY massive amounts of insecurity and mistrust would come from me dating another woman. Policy being.. How do you really know I'm holding up to my end of the bargain.. How do I know you didn't just blow the guy you were on a date with? The same way that you would know I didn't just blow some guy while I was out for the evening doing something other than hanging out with you (which I would still be doing sometimes even in a non-open relationship) - you would trust me to tell you if something like that happened (or to not let something like that happen in the first place). Just because someone is "allowed" to go out on dates with other people, that doesn't make them any less trustworthy than someone who is "not allowed." QuoteAn open relationship is just that. An open relationship. You are either faithful to each other or you are dating.. Having had a bit of experience with open relationships, I would say that that has nothing to do with being faithful or not. I personally find it easier to trust someone in an open relationship, but that's just me... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tbrown 26 #111 September 22, 2005 Sure it's "fair", but don't expect an honest answer. Life ain't fair. Just make sure he's wearing his "galoshes", because safety will be a real issue, nomatter what anyone tells you. Your humble servant.....Professor Gravity ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skychick312 0 #112 September 22, 2005 I realize some of this may be a bit superficial, but lest face it. Why would you want to have an intimate relationship with someone you werent attracted to? YH.... can you really have an intimate relationship with someone that you were not attracted to in the 1st place!?!?! On some subconcious level we know when we are attracted to someone (sexually) and when we are not... Now sleeping with someone that you are attracted to but have little chemistry with (if any) is a different story.. Personally I know that I have had "relations" with someone I was attracted to but had little chemistry with... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Be the change you wish to see in the world! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dougjumper 0 #113 September 22, 2005 1. I dont think I would sleep with anyone that I thought may date others and possible sleep around if you know what I mean. 2. I would choose a partner that I liked and developed a good friendship which may lead to a long standing relationship. 3. Relationships take time and theres alot to be said about someone you have had a long standing friendship with. 4. I dont think it would be fair to you or the other person if you sleep with each other but dated other people. You could be setting yourself up for a Disaster to happen. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vallerina 2 #114 September 22, 2005 Oh, and back to the point of the thread..... Isn't that really just a long way of saying f*** buddies?There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chaoskitty 0 #115 September 22, 2005 Quote Simply stated, if you are dating around, then you have no say whatsoever over what any of your likewise-dating-around boyfriends do. If you want a monogamous sexual relationship, then you need to refrain from stringing other guys along. It's also not fair for the other guys who are not getting laid in the deal. Those are exactly the points I've been trying to make. In addition.. pointing out how she is treating people exactly the way she does not want to be treated. Quite honestly, I think that she would care if any of the guys shes dating were to date other women.. no matter how big she talks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yardhippie 0 #116 September 22, 2005 Precisely my point. Men and women are doing more today than they ever have to appear more attractive to the opposite sex. Not that I claim it to be a good thing, or approve of the sources that "tell" us what attractive is. that is a whole other conversation. And I do think it possible to have in intimate relationship with someone you think is not physically attractive. while ive never had it, I'd like to think that the majority of us look past the surface to see the inner person, which in its own way, can be very attractive. me personally, I love wakin up next to a hottie, but like you, if theres no chemestry, its not gonna work out.Goddam dirty hippies piss me off! ~GFD "What do I get for closing your rig?" ~ me "Anything you want." ~ female skydiver Mohoso Rodriguez #865 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chaoskitty 0 #117 September 22, 2005 QuoteOh, and back to the point of the thread..... Isn't that really just a long way of saying f*** buddies? I see your point.. but no, not really in this case. If she just wanted a fuck buddy, that would be completely fair. None of the other stuff would be an issue. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vallerina 2 #118 September 22, 2005 Hmmm....well, then she should stop dating him, just have sex with him, and continue dating the other guys! That would make it a f*** buddy and simplify things! There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skychick312 0 #119 September 22, 2005 I never said you were attracted to their physical appearence only... It can be an underlying level of attraction (i.e. personality).... But hey it is nice to sleep with someone that you are attracted to and have chemistry with...but that does not always happen!! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Be the change you wish to see in the world! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chaoskitty 0 #120 September 22, 2005 QuoteHmmm....well, then she should stop dating him, just have sex with him, and continue dating the other guys! That would make it a f*** buddy and simplify things! Nah.. too easy! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #121 September 22, 2005 QuoteI personally find it easier to trust someone in an open relationship Most people with commitment issues feel this way Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #122 September 22, 2005 QuoteThat would make it a f*** buddy and simplify things! Sly True words of wisdom... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisamariewillbe 1 #123 September 22, 2005 I completley agree, wont go into reasons why, that I think is another thread, but when there are "rules, reasons and trust" I think its fineSudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yardhippie 0 #124 September 22, 2005 QuoteI never said you were attracted to their physical appearence only... It can be an underlying level of attraction (i.e. personality).... But hey it is nice to sleep with someone that you are attracted to and have chemistry with...but that does not always happen!! I think you and I are saying similar things, just in different ways. but of course a hot night, with a hottie was always welcomed. Even if there was no relationship chemistry. In the end, were all looking for more than that though... So were agreed? You can get your hump on, but you cant bet humpin one, expect them to hump only you, while you check out other potential humpees. right? Goddam dirty hippies piss me off! ~GFD "What do I get for closing your rig?" ~ me "Anything you want." ~ female skydiver Mohoso Rodriguez #865 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skychick312 0 #125 September 22, 2005 Bingo!! Great minds think alike!! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Be the change you wish to see in the world! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
