Video camera limits and experience (and new tech)

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GoHuskers

The POV Camera 200 jump rule is enforced beyond reason.

1. USPA is a seniority based organization. A year or so ago a jumper pulled dirty low high on marijuana, spinning line twists, low cutaway, fatality. Public outcry: Not Really, he made his decision, he was an adult, and he paid the price. End of story (condolences to the family and friends I might add)
The Chairman of the Safety and Training Committee of the USPA hospitalized himself and an innocent spectator on a very poor and frequent decision to swoop the spectator area. Public Outcry: Yes, but it didn't accomplish anything but make people lose confidence in the USPA.

prior marijuana usage and accidents has no correlation. Denver and Seattle did not see a spike in car accidents. Tons of people smoke weed everyday and jump.

who is the Chairman of the Safety and Training that caused the accident? Jay Stokes? what did he do? i never thought that he would swoop his Specter 150 into a crowd…. shame. I called him out on his s turns on final, was that the reason? he must be getting old.

Bernie Sanders for President 2016

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stayhigh

Tons of people smoke weed everyday and jump.

Jumping high is not a violation of a recommendation. It is a violation of Basic Safety Requirement. It is far more dangerous than jumping a GoPro regardless of how many jumps you have.

[chemist 0]

When I started jumping camera I was oblivious to the danger simply because nobody had told me. I had to slowly figure out the pieces on my own by seeing stuff on the internet. Did I know the danger of hooking a D ring on exit? A reserve bridle entanglement? No, but I did have the magical jump number to jump camera!

Jump numbers don't matter, someone with 100 jumps could learn to jump camera safely and someone with 200 jumps could have no clue when they 1st put on a camera.

People need to be shown videos of close calls to understand what can go wrong (a video of a reserve bridle entanglement may really motivate someone to ensure they have a helmet cutaway system), you need to be shown all the different types of snag points and different types of systems (if jumping G3 with no cutaway, extremely important for camera to be totally snag free).

There should be a class just like there is a water training class. There could be a video showing an entanglement, a jumper hooking a D ring on exit and showing systems with non-obvious snag hazards.

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Trafficdiver

Again I ask why? Why do you need a camera before 200 jumps? How is your skydiving career hurt if you don't wear a camera prior to that?

You can't debrief your 4 way jump? Who fucking cares you have 200 jumps you're going to suck anyway. Hire a camera guy if you're really that guns ho.

So what if 200 jumps is arbitrary? It seems to be a fine starting point. No one that I know of has died because they didn't have a camera on.

this is the stupid, it's not about arbitrary jump numbers. Read my above post. It's about knowing the dangers and how to minimize risk.

Also, when you're under 200 jumps that's when you MOST want that footie bro. You're new to an exciting sport, later on you start caring less and less about footage cause it's all the same thing over and over

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Trafficdiver

Again I ask why? Why do you need a camera before 200 jumps? How is your skydiving career hurt if you don't wear a camera prior to that?

You can't debrief your 4 way jump? Who fucking cares you have 200 jumps you're going to suck anyway. Hire a camera guy if you're really that guns ho.

So what if 200 jumps is arbitrary? It seems to be a fine starting point. No one that I know of has died because they didn't have a camera on.

They don't need it, they just think that they deserve it.

Forget that fact that at a 100 jumps most jumpers still have their heads in their asses in the plane, in freefall, and under canopy.

You can blame their parents who let them grow into instant gratification, entitled little shits.

I don't have time to read all these posts at the moment, but I did skim and see a few comments along the theme of getting rid of a rule that isn't followed anyway, and old timers needing to accept the new age.

Well bullshit. I am not old, I waited till 200 jumps, and the next 5 years of new jumpers at my DZ is going to wait too. I can list a number of reasons, but at the end of the day it comes down to the fact that waiting isn't going to kill you. And having to wait and work for something gives you more respect for the undertaking, and you will have more experience by the time the wait is over.

"The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall"
=P

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chemist

***Again I ask why? Why do you need a camera before 200 jumps? How is your skydiving career hurt if you don't wear a camera prior to that?

You can't debrief your 4 way jump? Who fucking cares you have 200 jumps you're going to suck anyway. Hire a camera guy if you're really that guns ho.

So what if 200 jumps is arbitrary? It seems to be a fine starting point. No one that I know of has died because they didn't have a camera on.

this is the stupid,

I agree that everything you wrote before and after this sentence is "the stupid".

[monkycndo 0]

A frequent argument by sub 200 jumpers is the camera will help them learn. I wonder how many of these new wonderkind that are capable of flying a camera well enough to "debrief" their jumps would want to do so if the only people they could show the video to is either their instructors or the other camera wearing wonderkind on the jump that they are trying to "coach"? You know, like to learn something.

They can't show their buddies, nor post on youtoob or facespace. Just debriefs.

Bet the rush to glue a teletubbie camera on their helmet would go waaaaay down.

Ok you kids, get of my lawn.

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[billvon 3,130]

>I'm not saying that the recommendation for 200 jumps absolutely needs to change. I'm
>saying that community wide everything else we ignore or write off as jumper's choice is
>more dangerous.

In many places that is true. The solution is to not ignore or "write off" other dangerous/deadly activities, decisions or waivers.

In other words, our goal should be to make skydiving safer, not to make it more and more dangerous until everything is equally dangerous.

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monkycndo

A frequent argument by sub 200 jumpers is the camera will help them learn. I wonder how many of these new wonderkind that are capable of flying a camera well enough to "debrief" their jumps would want to do so if the only people they could show the video to is either their instructors or the other camera wearing wonderkind on the jump that they are trying to "coach"? You know, like to learn something.

They can't show their buddies, nor post on youtoob or facespace. Just debriefs.

Bet the rush to glue a teletubbie camera on their helmet would go waaaaay down.

Ok you kids, get of my lawn.

Who cares if we can't post it. No one cares that your a skydiver, and no wuffo wants to watch shitty inside video when they have no idea whats going on.

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chemist

There should be a class just like there is a water training class. There could be a video showing an entanglement, a jumper hooking a D ring on exit and showing systems with non-obvious snag hazards.

Again...(and again, and again)...USPA has been presented with a no-cost camera training program, and a conversation of reducing the recommended number for those that satisfactorily complete the camera training program.

It was met with crickets.

This class has been offered and available for several years, dating back to when I first produced the Norman Kent "Videographer" DVD training.

I'm still a fan of the idea. More knowledge is never a bad thing. There *is* a class. How accessible it is to everyone is another topic.