Snowwhite 0 #1 October 8, 2005 ok folks, at the end of the World Free Fall Convention we always try to have a survey, so that we can monitor the experience you have had there. This way we can try to keep a pretty accurate reflection of what you are wanting us to produce from year to year. This years survey also asks questions from people who DIDN'T come, to see what they might like to have at the WFFC. If you would like your responses to be taken into consideration go to www.freefall.com, and fill out the survey. It's annonymous, but having your location really helps us know who we are and are NOT reaching. I've been having a great time reading the responses to date, and I'll tally them all up soon and let you all know what the overall feelings are. We already have some great changes in mind for next year, there have been several planning meetings, and it's coming together GREAT! Thanks! BethskydiveTaylorville.org freefallbeth@yahoo.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #2 October 8, 2005 I think you guys know what everyone wants. With the majority of DZ's having a turbine these days people want the "Specialty" aircraft. That's what makes WFFC special. Not that it's an easy thing to do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingnut 0 #3 October 8, 2005 hookers.. lots of hookers...... lol j/k......... can i nominate the mayor's wife to orginize a party next year.... she was way out in the lead with the whole "rock out with your cock out" mentality, that woman can party..... ______________________________________ "i have no reader's digest version" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snowwhite 0 #4 October 8, 2005 QuoteI think you guys know what everyone wants. With the majority of DZ's having a turbine these days people want the "Specialty" aircraft. That's what makes WFFC special. Not that it's an easy thing to do. The answers have been interesting so far. Things like "bring back the round bumper stickers" No more reggae. LOTS more reggae. Let the whiners stay home. It's fun to read them all. But you are right the number one answer is DING DING DING JET!!skydiveTaylorville.org freefallbeth@yahoo.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NWFlyer 2 #5 October 8, 2005 I filled out the survey, but honestly, I'm not sure that I'm your target audience and therefore found the questions to be pretty limiting. There's a lot of reasons I chose not to go this year. It's right after Lost Prairie, which is a lot closer to me (can get there driving), and the weather is more appealing to me (I've become a west coast weather wimp... I can't handle humidity). As long as the convention stays in the midwest, and I stay west, those things aren't "fixable." It is what it is. But really, the very concept of WFFC doesn't appeal to me, at least not now. The very things that make it (or once made it) "special" are exactly what doesn't interest me. The sheer size of it, the selling of it as the biggest gathering in the world actually puts me off a bit. I much prefer a boogie in the 250-500 people range. Big enough that there's plenty of things to do and new people to meet, but small enough that I can find my friends and find a niche. I'm not at the point in my skydiving career where the idea of really huge jumps is a draw, and if I do get there, I wonder if I'll prefer something like a big-way camp instead. I'm not to the point where I want to demo a lot of gear - at any rate, the volume of vendors/availability of lots of demo gear is not enough of a draw. As for the social scene, again, it's not my style. I'm actually kind of turned off by the "biggest, baddest, craziest parties" idea. Again, I'd much rather be at a more moderate sized boogie where the social scene is still great but I don't feel like I'm in some massive club or back on fraternity row with 10 different huge, crowded parties. Again, that's just me. So for people like me, the very thing that makes WFFC unique is the very thing that makes me not want to go. Specialty aircraft might be the only thing that could draw me there, but I doubt it."There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
adrenalinejunki 0 #6 October 9, 2005 Getting the planes to let you out over the airport would be nice.... __________________________________________________What's the worst that can happen? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #7 October 9, 2005 QuoteGetting the planes to let you out over the airport would be nice.... Have you seen my 2004 video? Seriously though...........that was the ONLY bad spot I ever had in my two years attending the convention. Nobody ever said you couldn't look down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 0 #8 October 9, 2005 QuoteGetting the planes to let you out over the airport would be nice.... __________________________________________________ Jump Mullins King Air and your troubles are over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #9 October 9, 2005 QuoteJump Mullins King Air and your troubles are over Very true..............I have NEVER had a bad spot out of his plane! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #10 October 9, 2005 QuoteQuoteGetting the planes to let you out over the airport would be nice.... __________________________________________________ Jump Mullins King Air and your troubles are over Yep. I did 6 jumps out of Mullins and never once had a bad spot. Now, the casas on the other hand... I did 6 jumps out of casas and never once landed on the dropzone. My ratio of good spots to jumps: Mullins: 6/6 Casas: 0/6 Biplane: 2/2 Otter: 1/2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #11 October 10, 2005 Then you would have loved it this year. No big parties in the party tent. Very small crowd but HUGE facility. The first year the convention went to Rantoul, I thought it could use about 1000-2000 more people just to make the place feel full. Of but that was back when they drew 3500 or so. Bring back the carnival, it provides a good venue to mix with the locals who seem to like us. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thanatos340 1 #12 October 10, 2005 I Filled out the survey and posted these same comments after getting back this year.. 1. Prorated Registration Fee. People will not pay $70 registration fee if they can only make it for a Couple days. 2. Work something out with the Gear Manufacturers and Vendors. Many said they would not be returning due to increased Costs of Booth and much lower attendance. Having all the Gear Manufacturers and Vendors there is a Big Part why many people go. 3. Bring back the Official DVD. Not only would this be an additional Profit Center for the Convention, But the DVD also serves as advertising through out the year to get everyone hyped up for the convention. I believe that 2002 was the last Official DVD that out there. 4. Move the Main Bar back into the Main Tent. The new location sucks and draws people away from the Party Tent. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymedic 0 #13 October 10, 2005 QuoteGetting the planes to let you out over the airport would be nice... You got that right....after jumping Skydive Arizona's skyvan three times in a row and everytime being put out downwind and away from the DZ I will never jump a SDA aircraft ever again. When I ran into larry hill later his attitude was tough shit. this was 2004. one time I landed out in the bean field, one time I downwinded it into a tight wire lined area, and then the last time landed inthe ball fields. all of these were west of the airport...and we all know how crappy that area is to land in. Marc otherwise known as Mr.Fallinwoman.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bdbrown 0 #14 October 10, 2005 Quote Big enough that there's plenty of things to do and new people to meet, but small enough that I can find my friends and find a niche.reply] Doesn't that suck being so limited, you have to find a niche? Skydive is a skydive is skydive.....Have fun and enjoy, unless your competing...That's another story -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NWFlyer 2 #15 October 10, 2005 QuoteQuote Big enough that there's plenty of things to do and new people to meet, but small enough that I can find my friends and find a niche.reply] Doesn't that suck being so limited, you have to find a niche? Skydive is a skydive is skydive.....Have fun and enjoy, unless your competing...That's another story I don't feel like it's limiting myself at all. That's why I made the point of saying I like a boogie where it's big enough that there's plenty of cool jumps and new people to meet. If I wasn't interested in that, I'd never leave my home DZ. (And I know a lot of people who have never jumped anywhere but "home"). In 200 jumps I've been to five boogies and ten DZs... trust me, I'm not limiting myself, I'm having a lot of fun and not limiting myself, either socially or jump-wise. I'm just trying to say that thousands of people and massive parties isn't my scene. Given a choice between going to a huge club with several hundred people or a cool neighborhood bar with less than 50, I'll usually have more fun at the neighborhood bar. That's just me."There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,107 #16 October 10, 2005 >after jumping Skydive Arizona's skyvan three times in a row and > everytime being put out downwind and away from the DZ I will never > jump a SDA aircraft ever again. You can always refuse the spot. We've done that, and when traffic is light (as it was this year) they will generally give you a second pass. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Nightingale 0 #17 October 10, 2005 IIRC, the casas weren't doing a second pass. I overheard them saying to someone else who was complaining about the spots that "we have a small DZ and always get everyone a good spot in one pass." (did anyone here get a second pass out of a casa? Maybe they changed their minds later on?) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,107 #18 October 10, 2005 >IIRC, the casas weren't doing a second pass. I got a second pass on the Arizona aircraft a few times - once for clouds, once for a bad spot. Might be a factor in deciding which tent to go to. I've gotten into more than a few arguments with the Fayard loaders. On one, we had a low timer 4-way following an 8-way out. Based on the winds I gave them a total of about ten seconds; four seconds before we started to move, four seconds before we were in position, quick check out the door and a two second count. After I landed one of the women in the tent came up to me. "Hey, you hosed the rest of the load; you took like 30 seconds in the door." "I took ten seconds. I'm not willing to put a low time 4 way out closer to an 8-way with these winds." "You took thirty seconds! We know what we're doing. You gotta get out faster. You're hosing everyone else." "Wanna see the video?" She just walked away. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skymedic 0 #19 October 10, 2005 QuoteYou can always refuse the spot. We've done that, and when traffic is light (as it was this year) they will generally give you a second pass. Negative ghost rider, I was last one out with my freeflying groups all three times and all three times I looked down...bitched to the pilots...and all three times got the same exact response...get out or ride it down. Like I said..I brought it up to Mr.Hill and got sloughed off....Oh well. just makes my choices easier for the next WFFC we attend. Also the Pac that year was putting me spot on everytime...whether I was getting out first or last it seemed. Marc otherwise known as Mr.Fallinwoman.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,107 #20 October 10, 2005 >get out or ride it down. Right, sometimes you do have to ride it down. Of all the times I've balked at a spot due to clouds or weather I've only had to ride it down once. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites streaker 0 #21 October 10, 2005 Just a little more time to actually jump would be nice! Love Ya! StreakerHave a yippee ki ya day! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites gravitational 0 #22 October 11, 2005 Quote3. Bring back the Official DVD. Not only would this be an additional Profit Center for the Convention, But the DVD also serves as advertising through out the year to get everyone hyped up for the convention. I believe that 2002 was the last Official DVD that out there. The official DVD is not really a profit center for the WFFC but more of a huge advertisement and promotin for the event. Make sure that no one convinces you that this is a money making venture as it is far from it. Martini Shot Films just last year (finally) covered their costs for the 3 years of doing the video. It's a massive production to compile a video to that quality (remember the shocker fiasco). Grant is a video guy that just happened to be a skydiver, bringing both talents together. Profit avenue, no...Huge commericial and promotion of the WFFC? Hands down the best thing to promote the event. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Snowwhite 0 #23 October 11, 2005 Quote Just a little more time to actually jump would be nice! Love Ya! Streaker OOPS, do I have to shuffle you to the "whiner" group? skydiveTaylorville.org freefallbeth@yahoo.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites streaker 0 #24 October 11, 2005 Hmm...well if we're whining....how's about (pronounced a boot in the Northland) a better fashion show..not that there was anything wrong with the last one..just too short....and hey how's about bringin' back dear ole Liz to serve up the frosty brews...and how's about hot tubs located around the grounds....and how's about more riders for Fast Eddie's motorcyle...and how's about keepin' the skys blue and temps cooler! Beautiful Landings! 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NWFlyer 2 #15 October 10, 2005 QuoteQuote Big enough that there's plenty of things to do and new people to meet, but small enough that I can find my friends and find a niche.reply] Doesn't that suck being so limited, you have to find a niche? Skydive is a skydive is skydive.....Have fun and enjoy, unless your competing...That's another story I don't feel like it's limiting myself at all. That's why I made the point of saying I like a boogie where it's big enough that there's plenty of cool jumps and new people to meet. If I wasn't interested in that, I'd never leave my home DZ. (And I know a lot of people who have never jumped anywhere but "home"). In 200 jumps I've been to five boogies and ten DZs... trust me, I'm not limiting myself, I'm having a lot of fun and not limiting myself, either socially or jump-wise. I'm just trying to say that thousands of people and massive parties isn't my scene. Given a choice between going to a huge club with several hundred people or a cool neighborhood bar with less than 50, I'll usually have more fun at the neighborhood bar. That's just me."There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,107 #16 October 10, 2005 >after jumping Skydive Arizona's skyvan three times in a row and > everytime being put out downwind and away from the DZ I will never > jump a SDA aircraft ever again. You can always refuse the spot. We've done that, and when traffic is light (as it was this year) they will generally give you a second pass. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Nightingale 0 #17 October 10, 2005 IIRC, the casas weren't doing a second pass. I overheard them saying to someone else who was complaining about the spots that "we have a small DZ and always get everyone a good spot in one pass." (did anyone here get a second pass out of a casa? Maybe they changed their minds later on?) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,107 #18 October 10, 2005 >IIRC, the casas weren't doing a second pass. I got a second pass on the Arizona aircraft a few times - once for clouds, once for a bad spot. Might be a factor in deciding which tent to go to. I've gotten into more than a few arguments with the Fayard loaders. On one, we had a low timer 4-way following an 8-way out. Based on the winds I gave them a total of about ten seconds; four seconds before we started to move, four seconds before we were in position, quick check out the door and a two second count. After I landed one of the women in the tent came up to me. "Hey, you hosed the rest of the load; you took like 30 seconds in the door." "I took ten seconds. I'm not willing to put a low time 4 way out closer to an 8-way with these winds." "You took thirty seconds! We know what we're doing. You gotta get out faster. You're hosing everyone else." "Wanna see the video?" She just walked away. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skymedic 0 #19 October 10, 2005 QuoteYou can always refuse the spot. We've done that, and when traffic is light (as it was this year) they will generally give you a second pass. Negative ghost rider, I was last one out with my freeflying groups all three times and all three times I looked down...bitched to the pilots...and all three times got the same exact response...get out or ride it down. Like I said..I brought it up to Mr.Hill and got sloughed off....Oh well. just makes my choices easier for the next WFFC we attend. Also the Pac that year was putting me spot on everytime...whether I was getting out first or last it seemed. Marc otherwise known as Mr.Fallinwoman.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,107 #20 October 10, 2005 >get out or ride it down. Right, sometimes you do have to ride it down. Of all the times I've balked at a spot due to clouds or weather I've only had to ride it down once. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites streaker 0 #21 October 10, 2005 Just a little more time to actually jump would be nice! Love Ya! StreakerHave a yippee ki ya day! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites gravitational 0 #22 October 11, 2005 Quote3. Bring back the Official DVD. Not only would this be an additional Profit Center for the Convention, But the DVD also serves as advertising through out the year to get everyone hyped up for the convention. I believe that 2002 was the last Official DVD that out there. The official DVD is not really a profit center for the WFFC but more of a huge advertisement and promotin for the event. Make sure that no one convinces you that this is a money making venture as it is far from it. Martini Shot Films just last year (finally) covered their costs for the 3 years of doing the video. It's a massive production to compile a video to that quality (remember the shocker fiasco). Grant is a video guy that just happened to be a skydiver, bringing both talents together. Profit avenue, no...Huge commericial and promotion of the WFFC? Hands down the best thing to promote the event. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Snowwhite 0 #23 October 11, 2005 Quote Just a little more time to actually jump would be nice! Love Ya! Streaker OOPS, do I have to shuffle you to the "whiner" group? skydiveTaylorville.org freefallbeth@yahoo.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites streaker 0 #24 October 11, 2005 Hmm...well if we're whining....how's about (pronounced a boot in the Northland) a better fashion show..not that there was anything wrong with the last one..just too short....and hey how's about bringin' back dear ole Liz to serve up the frosty brews...and how's about hot tubs located around the grounds....and how's about more riders for Fast Eddie's motorcyle...and how's about keepin' the skys blue and temps cooler! Beautiful Landings! StreakerHave a yippee ki ya day! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites happythoughts 0 #25 October 12, 2005 QuoteOOPS, do I have to shuffle you to the "whiner" group? Sorry, the whiner group is full and it only has one issue - the water fountain out in front of manifest. 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billvon 3,107 #16 October 10, 2005 >after jumping Skydive Arizona's skyvan three times in a row and > everytime being put out downwind and away from the DZ I will never > jump a SDA aircraft ever again. You can always refuse the spot. We've done that, and when traffic is light (as it was this year) they will generally give you a second pass. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #17 October 10, 2005 IIRC, the casas weren't doing a second pass. I overheard them saying to someone else who was complaining about the spots that "we have a small DZ and always get everyone a good spot in one pass." (did anyone here get a second pass out of a casa? Maybe they changed their minds later on?) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,107 #18 October 10, 2005 >IIRC, the casas weren't doing a second pass. I got a second pass on the Arizona aircraft a few times - once for clouds, once for a bad spot. Might be a factor in deciding which tent to go to. I've gotten into more than a few arguments with the Fayard loaders. On one, we had a low timer 4-way following an 8-way out. Based on the winds I gave them a total of about ten seconds; four seconds before we started to move, four seconds before we were in position, quick check out the door and a two second count. After I landed one of the women in the tent came up to me. "Hey, you hosed the rest of the load; you took like 30 seconds in the door." "I took ten seconds. I'm not willing to put a low time 4 way out closer to an 8-way with these winds." "You took thirty seconds! We know what we're doing. You gotta get out faster. You're hosing everyone else." "Wanna see the video?" She just walked away. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymedic 0 #19 October 10, 2005 QuoteYou can always refuse the spot. We've done that, and when traffic is light (as it was this year) they will generally give you a second pass. Negative ghost rider, I was last one out with my freeflying groups all three times and all three times I looked down...bitched to the pilots...and all three times got the same exact response...get out or ride it down. Like I said..I brought it up to Mr.Hill and got sloughed off....Oh well. just makes my choices easier for the next WFFC we attend. Also the Pac that year was putting me spot on everytime...whether I was getting out first or last it seemed. Marc otherwise known as Mr.Fallinwoman.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,107 #20 October 10, 2005 >get out or ride it down. Right, sometimes you do have to ride it down. Of all the times I've balked at a spot due to clouds or weather I've only had to ride it down once. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
streaker 0 #21 October 10, 2005 Just a little more time to actually jump would be nice! Love Ya! StreakerHave a yippee ki ya day! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gravitational 0 #22 October 11, 2005 Quote3. Bring back the Official DVD. Not only would this be an additional Profit Center for the Convention, But the DVD also serves as advertising through out the year to get everyone hyped up for the convention. I believe that 2002 was the last Official DVD that out there. The official DVD is not really a profit center for the WFFC but more of a huge advertisement and promotin for the event. Make sure that no one convinces you that this is a money making venture as it is far from it. Martini Shot Films just last year (finally) covered their costs for the 3 years of doing the video. It's a massive production to compile a video to that quality (remember the shocker fiasco). Grant is a video guy that just happened to be a skydiver, bringing both talents together. Profit avenue, no...Huge commericial and promotion of the WFFC? Hands down the best thing to promote the event. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snowwhite 0 #23 October 11, 2005 Quote Just a little more time to actually jump would be nice! Love Ya! Streaker OOPS, do I have to shuffle you to the "whiner" group? skydiveTaylorville.org freefallbeth@yahoo.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
streaker 0 #24 October 11, 2005 Hmm...well if we're whining....how's about (pronounced a boot in the Northland) a better fashion show..not that there was anything wrong with the last one..just too short....and hey how's about bringin' back dear ole Liz to serve up the frosty brews...and how's about hot tubs located around the grounds....and how's about more riders for Fast Eddie's motorcyle...and how's about keepin' the skys blue and temps cooler! Beautiful Landings! StreakerHave a yippee ki ya day! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #25 October 12, 2005 QuoteOOPS, do I have to shuffle you to the "whiner" group? Sorry, the whiner group is full and it only has one issue - the water fountain out in front of manifest. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
