NickDG 23 #26 November 8, 2005 I just received this from the producer. >>Nick, Hi! I’m the producer who wrote the story. You totally made my day! Thanks so much!!!! Carrie Bohnsack Investigative Producer KUTV 2 News 299 South Main Street Suite 150 Salt Lake City, Utah 84111 (801) 973-3255<< If you write use gephardt@kutv2.com but Carrie is the one who deserves the credit. NickD BASE 194 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Harksaw 0 #27 November 8, 2005 Someone please tell me this story wasn't made in a way that made the skydiving industry as a whole look crooked.__________________________________________________ I started skydiving for the money and the chicks. Oh, wait. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #28 November 8, 2005 QuoteI was told that it was legal. It not a DOS, it just uses up their bandwith a bunch. Like if you put their name all over a bunch of boards so people will look at it. How many times does this site, or a site like Fark make a link to another website, and a bunch of people go to check it out and end up using all the bandwith in one day. Does that make cross linking illegal? This is the same thing. There is no hacking. It is just the same as refreshing this page 100 times with your cache cleared so that it loads off of the site, and not off of your computer. How is your action not a Denial of Service, Anvil?You're burning up their bandwidth so no one else can connect (or they have to pay more money in) to their web site. And you have no intention of using the bandwidth productively. By definition, you're not at all different from any other DoS attack. Cross linking is tacky in the same way that spam is - you're leeching off of others. Typically not illegal, but if the intent is to take the service offline, you're likely on shaky ground. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2fat2fly 0 #29 November 8, 2005 The story was well done and told viewers to visit local DZ's if they want to jump. Really well done.I am not the man. But the man knows my name...and he's worried Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #30 November 8, 2005 Ok. I guess the site I am talking about has just gotten lucky and has not been busted so far after all these years of running the program and reporting it to the web hosters and the police. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wildblue 7 #31 November 8, 2005 QuoteSomeone please tell me this story wasn't made in a way that made the skydiving industry as a whole look crooked. It was very well done. Even had the DZO from the real Skydive Utah on there giving his opinion. Made skyride look bad, the rest of the sport look good. I agree we should thank the producer & reporter for an excellent bit. Maybe just point them to this thread instead of flooding them with email? it's like incest - you're substituting convenience for quality Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ReBirth 0 #32 November 8, 2005 Technically...it may not be illegal...yet.....just because it's too new of a thing for their to be laws about it. But civilly you could be found liable. Not likely to be sued by phishers. But skyride might take a different view. I wouldn't risk it. Not worth it. And regardless of the legality it's immoral. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NickDG 23 #33 November 8, 2005 >>Someone please tell me this story wasn't made in a way that made the skydiving industry as a whole look crooked.<< This is what I worried about when I first saw the link. But, they made a strong distinction between Skyride and real drop zones. They also went and visited Skydive Utah in Tooele and interviewed Jack Guthrie. Apparently Skyride called the student several times and told her the weather wasn't good enough for jumping (what they were really doing is buying time to find a DZ that would honor her certificate. None of the DZs in Utah currently do). Jack showed the reporter the manifest sheets for the days in question and there were loads flying on all of them. He even says on one day that Skyride said wasn't good for jumping they put up a record number of loads. Never mind all the stolen artwork, the no refund policy, the extra charges for weather insurance and the rest. Skyride lies to students. And that's the biggest sin of all. Oh, and it's okay to e-mail them your thanks. These folks always wonder if anyone is listening out here and they love positive feedback. Besides, they will probably do a follow up when this student finally makes that birthday jump, and if we write to them they'll surely mention that the skydiving community agrees with them. I'd never direct a reporter to this site. They already got it right, so why confuse them? NickD BASE 194 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SuFantasma 0 #34 November 8, 2005 Are you sure she didn't dial 1-800-SLY-RIFE ? Same digiits ! SLY (slī) pronunciation adj., sli·er (slī'ər) also sly·er, sli·est (slī'ĕst) sly·est. 1. Adept in craft or cunning. 2. Lacking or marked by a lack of candor. 3. Playfully mischievous; roguish. RIFE (rīf) pronunciation adj., rif·er, rif·est. 1. In widespread existence, practice, or use; increasingly prevalent. 2. Abundant or numerous. [Middle English, from Old English r[ymacr]fe.]Y yo, pa' vivir con miedo, prefiero morir sonriendo, con el recuerdo vivo". - Ruben Blades, "Adan Garcia" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundance 1 #35 November 8, 2005 Here's a link directly to the text story and the video clip of the story in Utah. Not sure if this will show up as a clicky, so just copy and paste the url. http://kutv.com/consumer/local_story_312122913.htmlOne of the surest signs that intelligent life exists in outer space is that none of it has tried to contact us. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IanHarrop 42 #36 November 8, 2005 clicky.. Here's a link directly to the text story and the video clip of the story in Utah. http://kutv.com/consumer/local_story_312122913.html"Where troubles melt like lemon drops, away above the chimney tops, that's where you'll find me" Dorothy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #37 November 8, 2005 QuoteOk. I guess the site I am talking about has just gotten lucky and has not been busted so far after all these years of running the program and reporting it to the web hosters and the police. The differences: 1) the Nigerian scam artists haven't filed a complaint, not being a vaguely legal business in the USA. Skyride, otoh, has lawyers and isn't afraid to use them. 2) they aren't pretending they're not DoS'ing the 419 fucks. That's their entire intent. So on both legal and ethical grounds, forget about it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 35 #38 November 8, 2005 QuoteQuote The differences: 1) the Nigerian scam artists haven't filed a complaint, not being a vaguely legal business in the USA. Skyride, otoh, has lawyers and isn't afraid to use them. 2) they aren't pretending they're not DoS'ing the 419 fucks. That's their entire intent. So on both legal and ethical grounds, forget about it. I remember reading somewhere else, I think in the What can we do about skyride thread, that at the DZO conference during the PIA Symposium (if I'm not mistaken) Cary was confronted by several others over the Skyride crap. He was quoted as saying "Go ahead, sue me, I've got more money than y'all and God combined!" Egotistical prick! "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jsaxton 0 #39 November 8, 2005 1) install wget 2) while : do wget -O /dev/null http://800skyride.com/global/images/logo.gif done Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ACMESkydiver 0 #40 November 8, 2005 QuoteIn case anyone hasnt heard, ASC/Skyride (Yes they are one and the same!!) is sueing your USPA for $10 Million Dollars right now. Suing on what grounds? Just wondering. I didn't know about it. -Like a lawsuit against USPA is gonna make any of us want to ever deal with those two f*cking clowns again! ~Jaye Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NWFlyer 2 #41 November 8, 2005 QuoteSuing on what grounds? Just wondering. I didn't know about it. -Like a lawsuit against USPA is gonna make any of us want to ever deal with those two f*cking clowns again! Jaye - take a look at the "What Can We Do About Skyride" thread ... there's info on the countersuit and even a place to download the document. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ACMESkydiver 0 #42 November 8, 2005 QuoteQuoteSuing on what grounds? Just wondering. I didn't know about it. -Like a lawsuit against USPA is gonna make any of us want to ever deal with those two f*cking clowns again! Jaye - take a look at the "What Can We Do About Skyride" thread ... there's info on the countersuit and even a place to download the document. A-ha, will do it when i have a minute...thanky!~Jaye Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,147 #43 November 8, 2005 I got this reply from the producer: "One other thing that you might want to do because the scam is crossing state lines is complain to the Federal Trade Commission. www.ftc.gov If they get enough complaints, they will launch a federal investigation. And you might want to call your CBS affiliate and ask them to carry it."... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skycat 0 #44 November 8, 2005 Quote And you might want to call your CBS affiliate and ask them to carry it." Now that is a great idea. I'm sure the more the word gets out to the general public, the less we have to care about the courts getting it done and rather word of mouth. I wonder if any of the CO DZs take their vouchers?Fly it like you stole it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Superman32 0 #45 November 8, 2005 The site is down Inveniam Viam aut Faciam I'm back biatches! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhreeZone 20 #46 November 8, 2005 Colorado Skysports does for sure.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skycat 0 #47 November 8, 2005 Fly it like you stole it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mcneill79 0 #48 November 8, 2005 Does anyone know which DZ's in NorCal take the certificates? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jsaxton 0 #49 November 8, 2005 I think BAS does. Meby Lodi. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhreeZone 20 #50 November 8, 2005 Here is a partial list of DZ's that I know take them. Thats the results from States A-O. Surprizingly 47 DZ's never responded to my email asking from those same states... 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jsaxton 0 #39 November 8, 2005 1) install wget 2) while : do wget -O /dev/null http://800skyride.com/global/images/logo.gif done Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ACMESkydiver 0 #40 November 8, 2005 QuoteIn case anyone hasnt heard, ASC/Skyride (Yes they are one and the same!!) is sueing your USPA for $10 Million Dollars right now. Suing on what grounds? Just wondering. I didn't know about it. -Like a lawsuit against USPA is gonna make any of us want to ever deal with those two f*cking clowns again! ~Jaye Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NWFlyer 2 #41 November 8, 2005 QuoteSuing on what grounds? Just wondering. I didn't know about it. -Like a lawsuit against USPA is gonna make any of us want to ever deal with those two f*cking clowns again! Jaye - take a look at the "What Can We Do About Skyride" thread ... there's info on the countersuit and even a place to download the document. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ACMESkydiver 0 #42 November 8, 2005 QuoteQuoteSuing on what grounds? Just wondering. I didn't know about it. -Like a lawsuit against USPA is gonna make any of us want to ever deal with those two f*cking clowns again! Jaye - take a look at the "What Can We Do About Skyride" thread ... there's info on the countersuit and even a place to download the document. A-ha, will do it when i have a minute...thanky!~Jaye Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,147 #43 November 8, 2005 I got this reply from the producer: "One other thing that you might want to do because the scam is crossing state lines is complain to the Federal Trade Commission. www.ftc.gov If they get enough complaints, they will launch a federal investigation. And you might want to call your CBS affiliate and ask them to carry it."... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycat 0 #44 November 8, 2005 Quote And you might want to call your CBS affiliate and ask them to carry it." Now that is a great idea. I'm sure the more the word gets out to the general public, the less we have to care about the courts getting it done and rather word of mouth. I wonder if any of the CO DZs take their vouchers?Fly it like you stole it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Superman32 0 #45 November 8, 2005 The site is down Inveniam Viam aut Faciam I'm back biatches! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #46 November 8, 2005 Colorado Skysports does for sure.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycat 0 #47 November 8, 2005 Fly it like you stole it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mcneill79 0 #48 November 8, 2005 Does anyone know which DZ's in NorCal take the certificates? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jsaxton 0 #49 November 8, 2005 I think BAS does. Meby Lodi. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #50 November 8, 2005 Here is a partial list of DZ's that I know take them. Thats the results from States A-O. Surprizingly 47 DZ's never responded to my email asking from those same states... Air Adventures of Clewiston Alabama Skydiving Center Alaska Skydiving Center Arizona Skydiving Coolidge Atlanta Skydiving Center Bay Area Skydiving Boston/Hartford Skydiving Center at Danielson CT Canton Air Sports Carolina Sky Sports Central Arkansas Para Center Cleveland Parachute Center, Inc. Colorado Skysports Desert Skydiving Center Eugene Skydivers Florida Skydiving Center Freefall Express Skydiving Greene County Sport Parachute Center - KY Pacific Coast Skydiving Pacific Skydiving Center Parachute Center at Lodi Paradise Skydives Skydive California City Skydive Greensburg Skydive Hawaii Skydive Idaho Skydive Mesquite Skydive N'Awlins! Skydive San Francisco Skydive Skyranch Wright Brothers SkydivingYesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
