Help! I need a legitimate excuse for a 6 month leave of absence from work.

[Deuce 1]

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You're right Deuce. I'll just take my chances and just quit my job when they call me to duty. The overtime doesn't happen until after the academy. There's also a cap as to how much you can make per year. I'm not complaining. I'm doing this because I want to. And I'll be willing to suffer with the money, changing my lifestyle and what not if it means I can save lives out there, even if it costs me my own life. If I was doing it for the money, I wouldn't even go through all these hardships. So there you have it, life goes on and I'll choose the honest path. I guess I shouldn't have let other people persuade me to look out for myself. That's what life is all about, taking risks....I take risks everytime I do videography with last minute 10 ways anyway, so why not with this, right?

Thank you all for making me feel guilty about not being honest. Even though I know I wouldn't be dishonest but who knows, why even plant the seed that I don't want sown, right?

None of that really makes sense to me. It'll take a year to make you into an independent cop who will be able to work overtime. Maybe it's a New York thing, but nobody in California puts caps on overtime/income. Any Oakland Police Officer who wants to can make over $100,000 per year.

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I can save lives out there, even if it costs me my own life.

No, not really. That attitude usually ends up costing somebody else their life.

What cops CAN do is write really good reports about stuff that happened a year ago, so that when they get to court and they don't remember anything about the arrest, because they've made about 700 since, they can read their well-written, grammatically correct, neatly printed or typed record of the incident to the jury.

Bad grammar sets about as many criminals free as the Johnny Cochrans of the world. Stupid sounding cops are not credible witnesses.

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That's what life is all about, taking risks....I take risks everytime I do videography with last minute 10 ways anyway, so why not with this, right?

No, not really. Being a good police officer is about responding as quickly as possible while minimizing risks. Stuff like don't get tunnel vision while shooting into a car with your partner on the other side of it.

Skydiving doesn't compare to the risks taked in police work. Skydiving gear and skydivers can kill you, but almost never murder you.

Why did I become a cop? They had killer benefits and I had just got married. Why did I stay? I saw the WIERDEST things and met the craziest people, and I loved being cross-examined.

It was never a sacrifice. If you really feel like you're giving a lot up for the job, I'd really suggest you don't do it. It gives nothing back but a good salary and benefits and the opportunity to see wierd stuff and blow up cop-car engines.

If you want to feel loved, become a firefighter.

[Lindercles 0]

how did it go from

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You're going to be walking around with a gun and a license to push people around.

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I'm just saying that you're being judgemental on cops...You really shouldn't brand all cops as gun wielding power tripping people.

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[SuperKat 0]

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I always find it funny when people ask others for their opinion and then get mad when it's not the answer that they wanted to hear. You should have never asked in the first place.

Sorry you feel different about it but if I have something that's bothering me inside, I choose to ask people's opinion about. Therefore, I'll ask whatever I choose to ask. I know I can rely on sensible people here. If I couldn't, I wouldn't even turn to anyone here.

Besides, I just thanked people for making me see the light. how is that being upset? please explain.

What's the most you ever lost in a coin toss, Friendo?

[Michele 1]

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How can it hurt the company if they already have two consultants here on board that do what I do and get paid the same amount that I do w/o benefits? I'll be leaving w/o pay and w/o benefits. All this is doing is ensuring that I have my job waiting for me if anything should happen during those 6 months. This does not cost the company a single cent for me to be out.

Dishonesty hurts you...whether you believe it or not. It hurts you now, it will hurt you if it comes to light, and it will haunt you forever.

Integrity is not easily come by; it's often challenged, and we are constantly presented with options that test us. To keep your integrity intact is often one of the hardest things to do...and it's done alone. All by yourself.

Think about it this way...if you're a cop, and you bust someone with $5,000 in his pocket. It's a righteous bust; you get the drugs, too. What's the harm in skimming $1,000 off the top, book the rest - including all the drugs - into evidence? I mean, no one's gonna believe the bad guy when he says "hey, I had $5,000, not $4,000..." He likely won't even complain. Remember, it's a good bust...it probably won't even get to court - he'd plea it out. And hey, what's the problem, you took $1,000, and since he's a bad guy, it doesn't matter anyway.

If it does go to court, and the bad guy has a really, really good lawyer, and the lawyer finds out that you lied to get onto the force, can you imagine how much shit you'll get while on the stand? And realize that if that happens, a jury will dismiss your testimony...and a bad guy goes free (frankly, that could happen with any arrest you make...if you lie now).

It's the same situation...big honesty, little honesty, it's all the same thing. It doesn't transmute simply because the bad guy is a bad guy, or if you're being dishonest to protect yourself. It's dishonest.

If you lie, you lie. If you don't, then you can easily "go confidently in the direction of your dream." To me, that you've chosen that as a sig line and then are considering dishonesty to acheive your dream, means you don't understand what you profess.

Here's the other side of it. If, during the the training and 2 year probation period, you lose your job or somehow get hurt, if you've done right by your former employer and have been, as you said, a mover and shaker, then you will have little difficulty in obtaining a new position. You will have a good reference, and you will be able to put food on the table again. If you're so worried about getting hurt in the Academy and/or on the street, realize also that there is worker's comp you can use if you're hurt during employment.

However, if you lie, and are caught lying, and you are dismissed from the force for dishonesty, then how do you explain that to the next employer? By lying again?

Be honest. Start now. Who cares what others have said (and I'd be rather wary of those cops who've said to lie to get your position...IAD can be really, really sneaky...best to be squeaky clean at this point).

You're a skydiver. You know how to take risk. I'd suggest you take this risk honestly, rather than search and hunt and fabricate a safety net...honesty is the base of integrity, and in the end, all you will ever have is integrity...

Stand up straight, go confidently (honestly) in the direction of your dreams, and realize that you create the sort of future you will have starting now...if you want a future that is honest, start now. If you want to maintain your integrity, start now.

And just a note - I am really sorry your Dad is doing poorly...spend as much time with him now as you can, tell him all the things you need to tell him, and love him as much as you can while you can.

Ciels-
Michele

~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek
While our hearts lie bleeding?~

[narcimund 0]

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You really shouldn't brand all cops as gun wielding power tripping people.

You misread me. I wasn't saying all cops are that way. I was suggesting that YOU might be that way.

Evidence: Lying to protect yourself.

Evidence: Rationalizing that the other party deserves it/would get you first if they could/wouldn't be seriously harmed/has lots of money.

Evidence: Assuming a civilian must be guilty of a crime if they don't trust police.

Integrity is the only thing that will prevent someone from letting that power go to their heads. You were unintentionally making a strong argument against integrity.

Now you've changed your mind and said you'll take the honest path. That's a great big change and a welcome one.

Edited to be slightly less inflamatory.

First Class Citizen Twice Over

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please explain.

You did the 'poor me' thing a great deal.

You could always go back and re-read the thread and find out why people are reacting to you in a less than positive manner.

TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

[Scoop 0]

Lesson 1 is appearing - Not everyone likes cops.

In general decent people like police, shitbags (technical term) dont.

However - It only takes one bad experience from a genuine member of the public to turn anti. Be one of the good ones. Be a good judge of charachter. Treat joe public as they deserve and are entitled to be treated and treat joe shitbag the way they deserve to be treated.

My only annoyance in the UK (imagine its similar over US) is that the honest, hardworking people only have a very small contact with police - they might only meet an officer once in there lifetime. Leave the right impression.

Our usual 'customers' have never worked a decent day in there lives and if they did they certainly didnt pay there taxes. Yet we waste all our time/money on them.

Anyone that doesnt like the police should remember that when your in need. Being robbed/attacked or are a victim of crime the same people that gave youa ticket for speeding will rush to your aid and risk there own lives to do so without thinking twice.

Sorry to rant. Had to vent a little. Been tough week

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None of that really makes sense to me. It'll take a year to make you into an independent cop who will be able to work overtime. Maybe it's a New York thing, but nobody in California puts caps on overtime/income. Any Oakland Police Officer who wants to can make over $100,000 per year.

Yes, that is NY for you. Bloomberg is very tight with money here in NY. Which is why he cut the starting salary from 47k to 24k a year. I believe there a cap of only doing up to 8-10 hours of overtime a week. And if they find out you made more than that they really limit you to only 40hrs a week.

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No, not really. That attitude usually ends up costing somebody else their life

The point I was trying to make was that I care about people's well being. Of course I would be procedural. I'm all about procedures. I just value human life. I'm sure a lot of AFP or AFF instructors can relate to this. They would risk their lives to save a student that didn't pull on altitude.

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What cops CAN do is write really good reports about stuff that happened a year ago, so that when they get to court and they don't remember anything about the arrest, because they've made about 700 since, they can read their well-written, grammatically correct, neatly printed or typed record of the incident to the jury.

Bad grammar sets about as many criminals free as the Johnny Cochrans of the world. Stupid sounding cops are not credible witnesses.

I hear that. I get that tip from my cop friends too.

Well, the risks I was referring to was taking a risk of just quitting my current job and going with the flow with the police academy.

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Skydiving gear and skydivers can kill you, but almost never murder you.

Man, that doesn't sound like something to look forward to.

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It was never a sacrifice. If you really feel like you're giving a lot up for the job, I'd really suggest you don't do it. It gives nothing back but a good salary and benefits and the opportunity to see wierd stuff and blow up cop-car engines.

Well, I'm giving up a lot for a reason. If I can change one person or save one life, it's self-gratitude. I'm not looking to change the world but I would do my darndest to be down to earth and treat people with respect.

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If you want to feel loved, become a firefighter.

Dude, I am so not doing it because of that. I don't look for pats on the back. I help out a lot of people in my life. Sometimes even strangers. I even feed homeless people. It's all protecting people, keeping them safe, keeping criminals off the street, and maybe even getting them to turn their lives around. Even if I only get to each of those things once. It would be highly rewarding to me.

What's the most you ever lost in a coin toss, Friendo?

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Now you've changed your mind and said you'll take the honest path. That's a great big change and a welcome one.

Deep down inside I knew it wasn't the right thing to do. I was just persuaded by other people to look out for number one. I never saw the road that it would lead me to if I did start to lie about it. I realized it after a couple of hundred people made that point to me. I then realized, it's not about me having a safety net. It's about having the integrity of being a good cop. That hit the nail on the head. And I have all of you to thank for in making me realize that. It would have been a start at a very wrong path.

What's the most you ever lost in a coin toss, Friendo?

[AlexCrowley 0]

so its about the ego gratification ?

TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

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You did the 'poor me' thing a great deal.

You could always go back and re-read the thread and find out why people are reacting to you in a less than positive manner.

That's because I was thinking about only myself. I wasn't thinking about what would happen if I just started off my new career with one little white lie. It would have been disastrous. I'm sure. I was only hard headed in the beginning because 10 other people (friends at HR and other cops) told me to look out for myself, to protect myself. Which made me believe that there was no wrong in what I was about to do.

I'm merely posting my thanks and gratitude to people here that made me see the light. Do you see any wrong in me fessing up to my mistake? Is there a crime in admitting that you're wrong? Do you have a problem with me voicing this out?

What's the most you ever lost in a coin toss, Friendo?

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so its about the ego gratification ?

poke poke poke


edit: you are bored, aren't you?

[AlexCrowley 0]

I am so bored it's not even quantifiable at this point.

You should see the threads in SC

TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

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so its about the ego gratification ?

You're quite the challenging person, aren't you. If you know me, I'm a very humble person. I never ask for anything in return for what I do for people. I have saved a lot of people from killing themselves, getting killed or beaten up and a whole lot of other things. I never once expected anything in return from anyone. I never once reminded them about the things that I did for them. I never once expected special treatment from those that I helped. I always keep it in my thoughts that if I were that person, how would I want someone to help me if I were them? Most NY'ers will walk over your body if you fall on the street. I'm the type of person that will ask that person if they're okay and call an ambulance for them and wait until the ambulance arrives for them. Not for my ego. I do it because I know that's what I would want someone to do for me or for my mom, dad, sister, brother, etc. I strongly believe that what goes around comes around.

What's the most you ever lost in a coin toss, Friendo?

[AlexCrowley 0]

I think I may have misread your thank you, was it in here somewhere ...."If I was doing it for the money, I wouldn't even go through all these hardships. ...... I guess I shouldn't have let other people persuade me to look out for myself. ..............That's what life is all about, taking risks....I take risks everytime I do videography with last minute 10 ways anyway, so why not with this, right?

Thank you all for making me feel guilty about not being honest."

I apologize for misreading that I thought what you'd actually said was 'waaah waaaah waaaah' and every response before and since has had some sort of weird negative egocentric spin to it.....of course, that could just be the mind numbing boredom speaking.

TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

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I apologize for misreading that I thought what you'd actually said was 'waaah waaaah waaaah' and every response before and since has had some sort of weird negative egocentric spin to it.....of course, that could just be the mind numbing boredom speaking.

That's okay. You're one of the people I have to thank for changing my mind. Your smart alecky comments and tone made me realize that if I were to do this one bad thing, I would be judged permanently. It's not easy erasing a mark on you once it's been made. And that's what would have happened here. One lie now can lead to road of 1,000 lies down the line. That's definitely not how I want to live my life. I believe that once you plant a bad seed, you'll have a crop full of poisonous vegetation that you won't be able to eradicate.

What's the most you ever lost in a coin toss, Friendo?

[AlexCrowley 0]

I'm a very good example of that.

TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

[AlexCrowley 0]

please bear in mind that I do not believe that altruism exists in any shape or form.

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I'm a very good example of that.

No, get out of town!

What's the most you ever lost in a coin toss, Friendo?

[SuperKat 0]

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please bear in mind that I do not believe that altruism exists in any shape or form.

Whoa dude. That's a label. I don't wear labels.

It's just my nature to help people out. You can call it a failure for me not pursuing to be a doctor/surgeon. I work as a Network Engineer. I'm always helping people out with problems. I even help people with computer problems outside of work for free. I'm not perfect. If I were to be altruistic, I would join the peace corps or be a missionary. Unfortunately, having an apartment or house, eating out and having a few drinks with friends here and there helps me to feel normal so I can't live without the comforts of being a little luxurious every now and then.

What's the most you ever lost in a coin toss, Friendo?

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Sorry you feel different about it but if I have something that's bothering me inside, I choose to ask people's opinion about. Therefore, I'll ask whatever I choose to ask. I know I can rely on sensible people here. If I couldn't, I wouldn't even turn to anyone here.

In the post that I replied to, it seemed you were taking the martyr position and it also seemed you were not sincere in your appreciation for the comments you had received. That's why I made the "mom" comment, she does that too. It's the internet, sometimes it is hard to read what a person is really saying, especially when you don't know them personally.

Of course you should feel free to get others opinions on these forums, I have no problem with that at all.

She is Da Man, and you better not mess with Da Man,
because she will lay some keepdown on you faster than, well, really fast. ~Billvon

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In the post that I replied to, it seemed you were taking the martyr position and it also seemed you were not sincere in your appreciation for the comments you had received. That's why I made the "mom" comment, she does that too. It's the internet, sometimes it is hard to read what a person is really saying, especially when you don't know them personally.

Of course you should feel free to get others opinions on these forums, I have no problem with that at all.

Yeah okay sure, whatever you say. Lol it's all good skymama. I'm not a stranger to these threads I don't know why people wouldn't know me by now or why they wouldn't think I'm not being sincere. I guess people really don't know me then.

What's the most you ever lost in a coin toss, Friendo?

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. I work as a Network Engineer. I'm always helping people out with problems. I even help people with computer problems outside of work for free.

Woah, how fucking weird.

I *hate* people and I'm a former Network engineer - granted I've been doing it for over 13 years. And yes, yes, it was the second sentance that generated this much bountiful animosity towards the world.

Altruism isnt a label. "Doorknob", "hippy", "flake" are labels. Altruism is something that people with no self esteem use as an excuse for being used as doormats.

Not jaded at all.

Look, a baby seal!

Look, a lead filled snow shoe!

Peekaboo!

TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

[apollard24 0]

I am a HR administrator and your employer does not have to hold your job past the FMLA guidelines of 12 weeks. Depending on the work you do (whether it's hard to fill positions there or not) they may hold your job for you if you simply discuss the situation with them. I had an employee that was out on fmla and his boss was going to let him take a few months longer than the allotted time off because he knew of the situation and wanted to help. We coded that as leave. Hope your just honest with them

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