Hambone 0 #26 December 19, 2005 Proof that dogs can look up => catching a tennis ball that is tossed to them before it hits the ground. / catching a frisbee/ responding to hand signals from a human, as in the case with dogs that are trained to assist people. / dogs jumping up on things...then must use sight to see what they are going to jump UP on, counters and what not.Yeah...You need to grow up. -Skymama Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ccowden 0 #27 December 19, 2005 Nope, sorry. I am only going to give it one shot. They are on their own now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AlexCrowley 0 #28 December 19, 2005 your avatar is quite obviously photoshopped. Unless your dog is also black and white with a pink tongue - in which case he not only needs spinal surgery but some sort of contrast therapy. Please see the alien picture for more evidence. Thats why I felt I had to rely on the reliability of a forum poll over scientific, biological or photographic evidence. Too many forgeries, fakes and frauds. TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AlexCrowley 0 #29 December 19, 2005 I'm sorry. Thats reflexive movement. Catching an object is obviously NOT looking up. And the reason they jump UP is because they need to get their eyes UPWARDS because they CANNOT look UP. TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NlghtJumper 0 #30 December 19, 2005 Well, your poll is at 76% to 3%... that is the last thing I will post on this thread... LoL! A man will do anything for the right woman, and when that woman destroys him, that man will become a hunk of meat with the common sense of a rodeo clown! ~ Christopher Titus Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AlexCrowley 0 #31 December 19, 2005 I can't help that so many people haven't really thought about the issue. Thanks for being one of those 3%. TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hambone 0 #32 December 19, 2005 So you are saying that since they are able to roll onto their backs and look up is that not looking up? and then isn't your argument debunked? they can look up, and they can see tv.Yeah...You need to grow up. -Skymama Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Icon134 0 #33 December 19, 2005 What are you talking about I don't even own photoshop... Fine you caught me... I have no proof... Livin' on the Edge... sleeping with my rigger's wife... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AlexCrowley 0 #34 December 19, 2005 You use da Gimp! "I've been fooling around with some of my digital images using the gimp I've made some interesting images. Scott " Which includes the "Dog looks up" picture. So we already know that you have digitally manipulated the image, yet you wish to pass it off as 'reality'. Not very ethical really, is it? TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AlexCrowley 0 #35 December 19, 2005 no more than being in a plane is a human flying I think you're playing semantics and it's quite obvious what Im talking about. A dog is physically unable to look up while in a sitting, lying or standing position. although to the less observant person their natural movements may lead to that misunderstanding - but as you know, humans tend to anthroporphize our domestic animals. TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #36 December 19, 2005 Quote A dog is physically unable to look up while in a sitting, lying or standing position. I fully agree with you. And the Earth is flat, and at the center of the universe. Aliens visit us daily, but your tinfoil hat keeps them from getting the rest of your brain these days. That's good news. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AlexCrowley 0 #37 December 19, 2005 I realize it's tough to understand as a layman. Thats why further research was necessary. TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites yardhippie 0 #38 December 19, 2005 What is you definition of "up"? Are you asking can a dog, with out the aid of any head, neck, back, leg, etc, movement, change it direction of eyesight from along its snout to some angle above its snout? My "proof" Given a surface that is perfectly level (x axis) and large enough for any given size of dog to stand on. Given that and angle that would intersect wth the (x,y) or (-x,y) sections of a grid is "up" Given any breed/size/ of dog of typical health. If said dog stands on the surface and we assume that the body of the dog is such that as it stands in a "neutral" positon, and it's sight is a line that is parallel to the surface or x-axis. Now if this dog lowers is hind legs by any measurable amount the dog's line of sight is no longer parallel to the x-axis. The resulting line of sight would be through the x,y portion of the grid and therefor looking "up". just my .02. Goddam dirty hippies piss me off! ~GFD "What do I get for closing your rig?" ~ me "Anything you want." ~ female skydiver Mohoso Rodriguez #865 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AlexCrowley 0 #39 December 19, 2005 That's still a hack that doesnt answer the core question of whether a dog can, or cannot, look up. I didnt realize it would generate so much controversy or confusion. TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Icon134 0 #40 December 19, 2005 I don't use "Da Gimp" he's a user of DZ.com... and that would be just wierd... i use the Gimp... And frankly since I "admitted" to modifying the image... you have proven nothing that I haven't already fessed up to... Oh, FWIW I have the original image (which hasn't been modified) is on my home page... Livin' on the Edge... sleeping with my rigger's wife... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AlexCrowley 0 #41 December 19, 2005 I think that since we know that you're adept at image manipulation that any material on your website should be considered suspect. Dont you? TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites yardhippie 0 #42 December 19, 2005 QuoteThat's still a hack that doesnt answer the core question of whether a dog can, or cannot, look up. I disagree, you cannot deny my logic. You might prove my logic incorrect! The question is answered. Unless there is some unknown unobservable force that prevents a dog from looking above a horizontal plain. Quote I didnt realize it would generate so much controversy or confusion. its monday. We havent had our fill of drama yet this week. Goddam dirty hippies piss me off! ~GFD "What do I get for closing your rig?" ~ me "Anything you want." ~ female skydiver Mohoso Rodriguez #865 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Icon134 0 #43 December 19, 2005 So, now you're calling me a liar? I don't think I like where this is going... Livin' on the Edge... sleeping with my rigger's wife... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AlexCrowley 0 #44 December 19, 2005 It's not that I think you're a liar. I just dont trust you. TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RhondaLea 4 #45 December 19, 2005 QuoteI didnt realize it would generate so much controversy or confusion. Ahem. rlIf you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Icon134 0 #46 December 19, 2005 QuoteIt's not that I think you're a liar. I just dont trust you. Ok, you're gonna have to explain how that's different. Livin' on the Edge... sleeping with my rigger's wife... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NtheSeaOrSky 0 #47 December 19, 2005 QuoteA dog is physically unable to look up while in a sitting, lying or standing position. Actually, they are quite capable of this. There is a posturing called stargazing that you see quite often in dogs with CNS disorders (distemper, epilepsy, meningitis) in which the dog in a sitting position raises its nose perpendicular to the floor and gazes around the ceiling as if to say ' oooo look at the shiny things'. The stimulus is neurologic, but they can physically put themselves in this position. Hope this helps Life is not fair and there are no guarantees... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AlexCrowley 0 #48 December 19, 2005 Sorry, I'll reformulate the question: EXCEPT for dogs suffering psychological damage it is impossible for dogs to look up. TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AlexCrowley 0 #49 December 19, 2005 TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NtheSeaOrSky 0 #50 December 19, 2005 given that even dogs with CNS (diff from psychological) disorders can not put themselves in any position not otherwise physically possible, with the correct external stimulus (ie a reason to look) yes they can look up some from quite a young ageLife is not fair and there are no guarantees... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 Next Page 2 of 5 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. 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AlexCrowley 0 #37 December 19, 2005 I realize it's tough to understand as a layman. Thats why further research was necessary. TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yardhippie 0 #38 December 19, 2005 What is you definition of "up"? Are you asking can a dog, with out the aid of any head, neck, back, leg, etc, movement, change it direction of eyesight from along its snout to some angle above its snout? My "proof" Given a surface that is perfectly level (x axis) and large enough for any given size of dog to stand on. Given that and angle that would intersect wth the (x,y) or (-x,y) sections of a grid is "up" Given any breed/size/ of dog of typical health. If said dog stands on the surface and we assume that the body of the dog is such that as it stands in a "neutral" positon, and it's sight is a line that is parallel to the surface or x-axis. Now if this dog lowers is hind legs by any measurable amount the dog's line of sight is no longer parallel to the x-axis. The resulting line of sight would be through the x,y portion of the grid and therefor looking "up". just my .02. Goddam dirty hippies piss me off! ~GFD "What do I get for closing your rig?" ~ me "Anything you want." ~ female skydiver Mohoso Rodriguez #865 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AlexCrowley 0 #39 December 19, 2005 That's still a hack that doesnt answer the core question of whether a dog can, or cannot, look up. I didnt realize it would generate so much controversy or confusion. TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Icon134 0 #40 December 19, 2005 I don't use "Da Gimp" he's a user of DZ.com... and that would be just wierd... i use the Gimp... And frankly since I "admitted" to modifying the image... you have proven nothing that I haven't already fessed up to... Oh, FWIW I have the original image (which hasn't been modified) is on my home page... Livin' on the Edge... sleeping with my rigger's wife... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AlexCrowley 0 #41 December 19, 2005 I think that since we know that you're adept at image manipulation that any material on your website should be considered suspect. Dont you? TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yardhippie 0 #42 December 19, 2005 QuoteThat's still a hack that doesnt answer the core question of whether a dog can, or cannot, look up. I disagree, you cannot deny my logic. You might prove my logic incorrect! The question is answered. Unless there is some unknown unobservable force that prevents a dog from looking above a horizontal plain. Quote I didnt realize it would generate so much controversy or confusion. its monday. We havent had our fill of drama yet this week. Goddam dirty hippies piss me off! ~GFD "What do I get for closing your rig?" ~ me "Anything you want." ~ female skydiver Mohoso Rodriguez #865 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Icon134 0 #43 December 19, 2005 So, now you're calling me a liar? I don't think I like where this is going... Livin' on the Edge... sleeping with my rigger's wife... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AlexCrowley 0 #44 December 19, 2005 It's not that I think you're a liar. I just dont trust you. TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RhondaLea 4 #45 December 19, 2005 QuoteI didnt realize it would generate so much controversy or confusion. Ahem. rlIf you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Icon134 0 #46 December 19, 2005 QuoteIt's not that I think you're a liar. I just dont trust you. Ok, you're gonna have to explain how that's different. Livin' on the Edge... sleeping with my rigger's wife... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NtheSeaOrSky 0 #47 December 19, 2005 QuoteA dog is physically unable to look up while in a sitting, lying or standing position. Actually, they are quite capable of this. There is a posturing called stargazing that you see quite often in dogs with CNS disorders (distemper, epilepsy, meningitis) in which the dog in a sitting position raises its nose perpendicular to the floor and gazes around the ceiling as if to say ' oooo look at the shiny things'. The stimulus is neurologic, but they can physically put themselves in this position. Hope this helps Life is not fair and there are no guarantees... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AlexCrowley 0 #48 December 19, 2005 Sorry, I'll reformulate the question: EXCEPT for dogs suffering psychological damage it is impossible for dogs to look up. TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AlexCrowley 0 #49 December 19, 2005 TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NtheSeaOrSky 0 #50 December 19, 2005 given that even dogs with CNS (diff from psychological) disorders can not put themselves in any position not otherwise physically possible, with the correct external stimulus (ie a reason to look) yes they can look up some from quite a young ageLife is not fair and there are no guarantees... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
