Samurai136 0 #26 December 19, 2005 Supply and Demand. Global markets. It doesn't matter if the supply is locally produced, the demand is global. Katrina single handedly decreased production of all gas products and increased demand. The colder and earlier start of winter for most of the US increases that demand even further. Read this http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/ or http://deconsumption.typepad.com/deconsumption/2005/03/the_most_import.html and might begin to think that $200 monthly bills are the least of your worries. Ken"Buttons aren't toys." - Trillian Ken Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Flygurl 0 #27 December 19, 2005 Riddler, I think you really need better insulation. Your house is 1/4 the size of mine in the same state and my gas bill was $90. Sucks to be you! ________________________________________ "One out of every four American's are suffering from some form of mental illness. Think of your three best friends. If they're okay, then it's you." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #28 December 19, 2005 A while back, I had a house with the old metal frame casement windows that crank out. Single pane glass. You see the curtains move after every breeze. I replaced them with double-hung vinyl-insulated glass with a 20% tint. It cost $5K, but it was worth it. In my next house, I had a "ridge vent" put in. A water-tight gap that runs along the peak of your roof. That lets the heat out wonderfully. Aluminum soffit with holes provides cool air to circulate into your attic. You can get insulation blown into your attic pretty cheaply too. That really helps. Ceiling fans are great. I cooled (Florida) a 5,000 sq ft (3000 living) for $120 a month. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riddler 0 #29 December 19, 2005 I can't say I've ever bought into the concept of Peak Oil. The statistics are based on current production of oil combines with (IMO) a lack of understanding of real-world market conditions, and don't take into account alternative oil resources, such as oil shale, which is not economical to mine now, but would be in the event of a dramatic increase in the price of black crude. Additionally, you have people that are trying to predict markets based on a limited historical review of a market that has proven itself, in nearly every crisis, completely unpredictable. And I can't say I'm an oil expert either But I was forced to endure many lectures on the subject for five years at a school that seemed to think it was about the best oil school in the world Don't know if they were the best or not - I went with Electrical Engineering And I don't believe that the energy market is vertical supply and demand, as conventional economists want to use in examples. I believe that they are for the most part, controlled by a limited number of groups that determine the price for many natural energy resources. But that's probably because I'm a conspiratist nut that believes that a few rich people are controlling our lives a lot more than we think they are Trapped on the surface of a sphere. XKCD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riddler 0 #30 December 19, 2005 QuoteYour house is 1/4 the size of mine in the same state and my gas bill was $90. Jeez, in Denver, just my taxes and fees alone are $80 for gas and electric. Sucks to live in the city. But you're right about insulation. I have great window insulation. Problem is, I have walls that are plaster-over-brick. Not even drywall on the inside. Maybe I should do like they do in old castles and hang tapestries on the walls Trapped on the surface of a sphere. XKCD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Samurai136 0 #31 January 6, 2006 QuoteNovember used 13 ccf of gas. From last meter reading I've used 23 ccf of gas for a cost of $25.73. By the time they read the meter in ten days it will probably be 35ccf of gas. Just got my utility bill for December (Nov 28th thru Dec 29th). I ended up using 32ccf of natural gas for a cost of $33.04 plus their service charges and taxes $16.16. Electricity use was the same. Grand total utility bill for December, $77."Buttons aren't toys." - Trillian Ken Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumpinfarmer 0 #32 January 7, 2006 I have bought $878.98 worth of oil so far this year. I think that will keep me untill summer though now. I only keep the house at 55 most of the time. It is damn cold when you get out of the shower.Brrrrr! By next fall I intend to have a corn burning stove hooked up so I can burn the corn I grow and not have to spend so much on oil, while still being able to be warm. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nate_1979 9 #33 January 7, 2006 Heating bill? shit, last time we turned our heater on it stunk because it hadnt been used forever FGF #??? I miss the sky... There are 10 types of people in the world... those who understand binary and those who don't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phillbo 11 #34 January 7, 2006 managed plan so I pay 210.00 a month all year round. without that I average 90.00 winter and 300.00 summer in Az. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #35 January 7, 2006 Hey Nate...I was thinking of you the other day when I was talking with a pilot friend that decided to go 'Sub Service' instead of becoming a Nasal Radiator... His reason~ "There are more Navy planes at the bottom of the sea than there are Submarines 'stuck' in the sky...!" Kinda makes sense....I guess?! ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dustin19d 0 #36 January 7, 2006 Im In colorado also. I leave the heater off and just wear PJ's to bed. My last Electric/Gas bill was $29 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nate_1979 9 #37 January 7, 2006 FGF #??? I miss the sky... There are 10 types of people in the world... those who understand binary and those who don't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,111 #38 January 7, 2006 $0. We use about $3 of gas a month, mainly for the dryer and the stove. Hot water is solar heated, and we face southeast and get decent passive-solar heating during the winter (low sun angles.) We haven't turned the heater on in about a year. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nitrox100 0 #39 January 7, 2006 QuoteYou REALLY wanna know...?!?! Just over 800.00... Which is a relief from the COOLING costs we had this past summer! I was at $765 for December in Chicago. That was two forced air furnaces and a boiler for the radiant heat in the garage floors plus two hot water heaters - all natural gas. House is 7500' give or take. Last year highest was $500. I expect February bill to be about $1200. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NlghtJumper 0 #40 January 7, 2006 heating? whats that? A man will do anything for the right woman, and when that woman destroys him, that man will become a hunk of meat with the common sense of a rodeo clown! ~ Christopher Titus Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
meloo09 0 #41 January 7, 2006 $101. and thats with my cheap ass never running the heat. Our rental seems to have no insulation, gggrrrWhat you do speaks so loud, I cannot hear what you say. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
squirrel 0 #42 January 7, 2006 $0, we have a wood burning stove. i happen to be in the building industry, and a good friend of mine frames track homes. he calls me when they are cutting headers and such, i haul ass with the trailer and pic up a free load about twice a month. its funny too, because we hae a digital thermostate, you can schedule your heating day...we never, ever, use the forced are furnace. ________________________________ Where is Darwin when you need him? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gravitational 0 #43 January 7, 2006 Dude...Mine went up $10. If you're gonna stay there, beef up the insulation.------ Michael Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gravitational 0 #44 January 7, 2006 QuoteCould someone please tell me how a hurricane in New Orleans affects installed facilities to pipe something close to methane out of the ground in Colorado? They discovered they could sell it out of state and make more money as the demand went up. To keep it here (e.g. less of it) there's also demand so the simple rule of supply and demand - they've got it, everyone wants it, they charge more. It's like buying an xBox on eBay for Christmas for $2000.------ Michael Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
micro 0 #45 January 7, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteJust over 800.00...Shocked What are you heating? A hangar? *** I WISH! No, I think we have the very house the movie 'Money Pit' was based on!! It's a beautiful older home (30 years) that's 4000 sqft on a couple acres in the oldest section of a now yuppie 'cracker box home' commuter community. It's been touted as the 'best lot' in town, as this place was originally built by the guy that started this community way back when... He was from California...and it has a lot of west coast design in it...we're in the middle of town but also in the middle of a forest..so it has close to 50 ....(get this) single pane windows...looking out at 'nature'....Most of them are 6' x 4'..or a variation on that size...Insulated???? yeah right! There are two huge furnaces running just about full time all winter...but again, that's better than the 5 central air units needed to cool this joint in the summer! August electric??? 1250.00 NEVER FUCKING AGAIN! Good thing your wife brings in the big bucks!!! I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #46 January 7, 2006 Between gas and electric, $674 last month. This probably had much to do with all of the cooking, etc., that occurred over Thanksgiving, where our kitchen was going at full speed for a few days. The wife and I decide to conserve. And what happens? We get flooded, so we had six high-powered fans going for 80 hours straight. I'm saddened to think of the bill next month after all of that drying power. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jmpnkramer 0 #47 January 7, 2006 There is a reason to turn on the Heat in Florida? I believe my electric bill was like $72. .The REAL KRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMER! "HESITATION CAUSES DEATH!!!" "Be Slow to Fall into Friendship; but when Thou Art in, Continue Firm & Constant." - SOCRATES Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
morningdove831 0 #48 January 8, 2006 $47 for October, and $121 for November. My apartment is all electric. The power company voted on a rate increase and it got colder during November as well. One who looks for a friend without faults will have none. -- Hasidic Saying Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
