I just don't understand people sometimes.

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My point is really being missed here.

I don't care about your point.

"RUNNING SUCKS!! RUNNING SUCKS!! LA-LA-LA-LA-LAAA RUNNING SUCKS!!"


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He's the same fat dude that never washes his hands after using the bathroom.

That has nothing to do with the fact that he's fat. That has to do with the fact that he's unhygenic.

As far as cause and effect, you are correct. But why does it seem that they go hand in hand so often. Now keep in mind that this isn't just my opinion. In the line of work I am in I see this more often than not. The house is a absolute shithole, smells, they smell, junk everywhere and on many accounts....their undergarmets are yellow with piss. Now, keep in mind that I have seen this on non-obese people as well, but more often than not, its the overweight people that have this affliction.

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Maybe the guy is a former electrician and thinks the human body is like an electric motor.....It's filled with smoke, at the factory....when the smoke quits comin' out, it's dead!

"T'was ever thus."

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I knew one co-worker like that too. Maybe 50 lbs overweight. Would get a salad or some lite lunch and kept saying how healthy it was, but we all knew he was scarfing the fatty stuff at home.

I think I prefer the hiders.

I used to have a number of "supersized" people working for me. They always brought bags of chips and cookies to work every day. During the course of an 8 hour shift one lady would finish off an entire bag all by herself. That was, of course, in addition to the "extra value" meal for breakfast and lunch.

I suppose it was good for me though. Watching them eat all day was a great appetite suppressant.

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Wow, congratulations perfect people!

Did it ever occur to anyone that there are many people who suffer from eating disorders, depression or perhaps a very difficult life? There are many people who find it really hard to just get out of bed in the morning. Many people who struggle with weight have tried so many diets in their life that simply have not been successful. You have no idea what is going on these people's lives and how difficult it is to just face each day as it comes. I'm not condoning unhealthy activities, it's just that you don't know psychologically what causes these bad habits. Maybe if some of you had a chance to live these people's life for just a day, you'd have a little more compassion.

This thread disgusts me, and no, I'm not one of those obese out of shape people.

Chris

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Wow, congratulations perfect people!

Did it ever occur to anyone that there are many people who suffer from eating disorders, depression or perhaps a very difficult life? There are many people who find it really hard to just get out of bed in the morning. Many people who struggle with weight have tried so many diets in their life that simply have not been successful. You have no idea what is going on these people's lives and how difficult it is to just face each day as it comes. I'm not condoning unhealthy activities, it's just that you don't know psychologically what causes these bad habits. Maybe if some of you had a chance to live these people's life for just a day, you'd have a little more compassion.

This thread disgusts me, and no, I'm not one of those obese out of shape people.

Chris

Chris, Chris, Chris .... don't you know it's still okay to hate fat people? And believe me, I've felt the hatred, and it's ... puzzling at best. When I was over 300 lbs, I really wondered what I had done to cause people to really, truly, HATE me. And yet, that kind of negative energy is out there for whatever reason.

I have a tough time with threads like this on these forums because as most people know (hell, I've posted it enough times) I used to be morbidly obese (to use a factual, clinical term). I'm still what a lot of people consider "fat." I have dealt with food issues all my life. I know what my triggers are and how to deal with them, but it took me a long time to figure that out. I see people who have these issues and I don't hate them, I feel both empathetic and sympathetic towards them. I'm certainly not going to go so far in the other direction as the advocates (such as NAAFA) who are so upset with the treatment of the overweight that they categorically deny any evidence that being overweight (at least by significant amounts) negatively affects your health. It does, I've lived it, and I don't want to go back to that level of health. But hatred doesn't help solve an immensely complex issue.

Like most things in life, though, it is not my style to stand on a soapbox, it's not really my style to rant, it's not really my style to shame. I just live my life as I do, and try to help people understand when there's a good opportunity and they sound like the kind of person who will listen. People who have never had food issues think it's simple - of course they do, it's all they know. I can at least share what I know. And sometimes they'll even listen to me because I'm a "good" fat person; I've lost enough weight to be in the "normal" range of people, therefore they don't hate me as much any more.

All I can share is my own experience; I don't know what's going through any other overweight person's head. I know what messages they've received from society, from the "authorities" (one size fits all diet and exercise advice does NOT fit all, btw). But I don't know how they've processed it or how it fits into their particular makeup. I don't know why they choose to be hygenic or unhygenic; why does anyone? In some cases it may be because it's just gotten too physically hard. People who have never carried that kind of weight on their frame don't know just how difficult it can be. The human frame was not designed for that and it will buckle under the strain.

Well, now, that sounded like a bit of a soapbox. Excuse me while I jump down off of that and get to the office.

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Not sure how this got turned into a "hate fat people" thread. Actually, I can see the trend in the posts, so I guess I can SEE how, but my original post was about a guy, who does nothing healthy in any sense of the word, was trying to tell me how I need to change to be more healthy.

I don't think you can go back to my posts and make a good argument that "I hate fat people," but if you think you can, then I think you are overreacting.

That being said, I watched an interview of the self-proclaimed FAT girl who is the lead role in the new movie, "Phat Girls," and listened to her go on and on about how society hates fat people and are way too focused on skinny, good-looking people, and how much it disgusts her. And at the end of the inerview, when asked what her favorite part of the movie was.... she said it was when the male actor (don't remember his name) came out of the pool. He just so happens to be the classic, good-looking, skinny, 6 pack abs, ripped body actor that she was just blasting on the women's side of Hollywood.

My point? I think most of the people the posts have been about are the type, like this lady, who don't own any of it and just want to point fingers in the opposite direction as to how thw world hates them or how THEY are actually right, and the rest of the world is wrong.

For the record, I do not "hate fat people." I don't "hate" many people at all. But I do dislike it when the guy at my office tries to tell me how I should be eating, and THAT is what my post was about.

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For the record, I do not "hate fat people." I don't "hate" many people at all. But I do dislike it when the guy at my office tries to tell me how I should be eating, and THAT is what my post was about.

That's why my original response addressed that specifically, Chris. Do what you know works for you to be healthy. Let him do what he thinks, and tell him "thanks, I've got an approach that works well for me" and leave it at that.

None of my comments in my second response were aimed at you in particular. It's just that this is the direction that these discussions tend to head and the hatred comes out. I don't usually engage at all, because of that, I'm much more inclined to live my life and not tell anyone else how they "should" live theirs.

And, in response to the movie/interview ... how Hollywood/fashion industry/etc represents society is a whole other can of worms and I'm not going there. That's a whole different kind of hatred.

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Yeah, my post was really a simple point. A guy who has no concept of fitness and health telling me what I need to do. It really didn't have that much to do with the weight issue. The whole idea of my thread was about being healthy and the strange views people have. Somehow, it got turned into a "fat people" thing.

But then again, you are right, those are just my opinions. But isn't that what most posts are?

And I have no issue with you personally either. I was merely responding to the ideas in those posts.

We be cool.

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You can't just say a certain heart rate is / is not healthy without taking into account other factors.

For example, smaller people generally have more rapid heart rates than larger people. That's normal.

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on a side topic: what I find is really weird: People who have just finished their workout at the health club & then step outside & light up a cigarette!!!

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I absolutely agree. That is why, in my original post about heartrate, I included other factors to support it.

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my resting heart rate is about 48 bpm

Now that is pretty darn impressive, taking pretty much any size/weight into account.[email][email]

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You wouldn't belive how many people i work with that do that. I have the worst phobia about going to the restroom at work.

Not too long ago, the guy using the urinal next to me finished, grabbed a paper towel, wiped his hands, dropped the towel in the trash, and walked out.

Given that he didn't wash his hands, what exactly was he drying off of them?

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You wouldn't belive how many people i work with that do that. I have the worst phobia about going to the restroom at work.

Not too long ago, the guy using the urinal next to me finished, grabbed a paper towel, wiped his hands, dropped the towel in the trash, and walked out.

Given that he didn't wash his hands, what exactly was he drying off of them?

Blues,
Dave

Just keep telling yourself it was soda.

it was soda...it was soda...it was soda

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the guy using the urinal next to me finished

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Given that he didn't wash his hands, what exactly was he drying off of them?

All depends on what he was finishing.

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the guy using the urinal next to me finished

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Given that he didn't wash his hands, what exactly was he drying off of them?

All depends on what he was finishing.

Well, he was using a urinal....so I hope TO GOD he was not taking a dump.

Cause that is just awkward. For everyone involved.

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Given that he didn't wash his hands, what exactly was he drying off of them?

All depends on what he was finishing.

Well, he was using a urinal....so I hope TO GOD he was not taking a dump.

Cause that is just awkward. For everyone involved.

or he may just REALLY like that urinal....

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Did it ever occur to anyone that there are many people who suffer from eating disorders, depression or perhaps a very difficult life? There are many people who find it really hard to just get out of bed in the morning. Many people who struggle with weight have tried so many diets in their life that simply have not been successful.

I apologize. My post was not received in the way I intended it. I certainly do not hate people that are over weight and make no claim of being perfect. Not by a long shot!

I do realize that many people struggle with eating disorders and other issues. The people I was referring to are proud of being really unhealthy and do everything they can to convince others that their way of life is great.

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I don't care what anyone weighs. That is their own business, and it does not affect me in the least.

Why I get annoyed is the same reason others get annoyed when 100-jump wonders tell them what to do. Yes, I wish I could be a person who doesn't get annoyed, but I am. Call it a flaw of mine.

If he wanted to try something to lose weight, then that is great! I really don't care what other people do in their own lives. It's when there's an obese person on a daily basis telling me what I should do to be healthy that's annoying. And when I tell them what I do because it works for me, their refusal to admit that they might be wrong, or that they are doing something wrong really gets tiring.

I guess I just don't like people telling me what to do when they don't even do it, and especially when they're wrong.

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Chris,

I saw your post for what it was, an isolated event. My remarks were not directed to your post. What got under my skin is where the thread led to. We don't know who reads our posts. I would not be surprised if there are readers out there who fit this person's description and felt pain and shame about themselves. We all know people who struggle with weight. Believe me, they are not in denial. It is usually very painful for them. Many times they simply lose hope. I am sure if they could simply snap their fingers and become a healthy weight, they would do it in a second. For many of these people, it is simply overwhelming. Add to that other factors that may be weighing heavily (no pun intended) in their lives.

Your situation with your co-worker showed hypocrisy on their part and that is essentially what you were pointing out. I was simply trying to point out the other side of the issue.

We're cool.
To NWFlyer, congratulations on your weight loss. That is a credit to your will and determination.
Chris

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