Are Precision Wrap-It links TSO'd?

[jheadley 0]

Can anyone out there say with absolute certainty whether Precision Wrap-It links are TSO'd for use with reserves, or not?

Yes, I have tried to contact the manufacture, I've been calling and emailing for the past two days but haven't heard anything back.

I opened a rig that had the R-max reserve connected with wrap-it links and I need to figure out if this is legal.

[Beatnik 2]

This came up a little while ago with myself and some of my rigger friends. We emailed the manufacturer and got an answer that Wrap-It links aren't TSO'd and Precision also said that there aren't any links that are. This I found interesting.

If you look at Rapide links, they have no TSO markings. Not sure about SLinks, I would have to look at my reserve when I repack it.

[jheadley 0]

The card that came with my slinks say "Approved under TSO C23d". Although they don't say that on the slinks themselves.

[slotperfect 7]

Wrap-It links - I have to check my info at work to see if they are TSOd or not.

I think I have them confused with HiPer's links, which are for mains.

PD SR-1 SLinks are TSOd.

Aerodyne's Soft Links for Reserves are TSOd.

Flight Concepts Cinch Links are for mains - they are not TSOd.

There may be more, but those are the ones I did my homework on 18 months ago.

Arrive Safely

John

[jheadley 0]

I did a search, and in the thread "PD soft links on reserve" you said

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-I researched three soft links: PD Slink SR-1, Precision Wrap-It, and Aerodyne P1487-01. I found written confirmation that each of these was approved under TSP C23d as a "separate component." I either found it posted on the manufacturer's website or they emailed it to me. Note: HiPer listed their link as compatible only main canopies, and Flight Concepts didn't reply to my question about their Cinch Links.

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[slotperfect 7]

I had Precision's links confused with HiPer's links. I have all of the info saved at work but I won't be back there for a couple of weeks. I will double-check my info on the Precision link but I would not have posted what you quoted if I wasn't sure at the time.

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John

[diablopilot 2]

I can't find reference to any soft link TSO'd under 23, 23B, 23c, or 23d on the FAA's list.


Crud, I can't find my copy of ASE AS8015 either....left it on my old lappie....

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[precision 0]

The current TSO is C-23d and refers to drop test standards contained in AS8015b which defines the major parachute components that can be TSO'd. There is no provision in 8015b to have any type of connector links "TSO'd" unless the links are included in a canopy assembly (see number 3 below).

The Precision r-Max reserve was certified under C-23d using "Wrap-It Links" during certification drop testing, and presumably some of the PD reserves were approved using the reserve style Slinks.

Average breaking strength compared:
PD ReserveSlinks= 3600 lbs
Precision Wrap-It Links= 4028 lbs

The "TSOable" components of a parachute assembly are:
1) Deployment initiation device (pilot chute, drogue, or functional equivalent); bridle, if applicable
2) Deployment control device (sleeve, bag, diaper, or functional equivalent), if used
3) Canopy(s) (includes suspension lines, connector links if used, and reefing device, if used)
4) Riser(s), if used, when not integral with harness and/or canopy
5) Stowage container
6) Harness(es)
7) Primary actuation device (ripcord or functional equivalent, including reserve static line, if used)

George Galloway

[riggerrob 643]

If you look at Rapide links, they have no TSO markings. Not sure about SLinks, I would have to look at my reserve when I repack it.

[parachutist 2]

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I opened a rig that had the R-max reserve connected with wrap-it links and I need to figure out if this is legal.

Precision delivers the r-max with wrap-it links as standard equipment (they charge $40 more for subbing in stainless links & grommets). Manufacturer approval is good enough for me. Here's a link to the r-max order form with soft links listed:
http://www.precision.aero/OrderForms/Order%20Form%20r-Max%20pdot.pdf

A few years ago I asked flight Concepts about using PD slinks with their reserves, because I opened up a reserve and found Slinks were installed on a Firelite. Flight Concepts said NO, they approve what is in the Flight Concepts manual (#5 SS maillon rapide links). Because that's what the system was tested with when TSOd and they certainly didn't want to go approving parts that Flight Concepts hadn't tested. Made sense to me: go by what's in the manual.

[diablopilot 2]

Darnit George, this is exactly where my research was headed, held up only by the fact I've misplaced my copy of SAE AS8015b to refer to.

Thanks for the clarification, but I just wanted to be the first to say it.

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[parachutist 2]

Is the r-max manual available online?

[slotperfect 7]

Thanks, George.

Arrive Safely

John

[jheadley 0]

Thanks, that clears things up.

[Hooknswoop 19]

You never did get back to me with the average peak forces for the Raven-M's that are required to be on the label under 23D.........

Derek

[RIGGER 0]

Hi Derek

I asked that as well & never got an answer from Precision, the no. must be on the label but none.

Also never saw a manual for the Raven Max - did you ?

There are some more reserve under TSO C23D without the no. on the label.

Be Safe !!!