mailin 0 #26 February 7, 2006 QuoteI hope you can come visit us at the new wind tunnel! I have it on good authority that the rats are starting their final training tonight Thats a given now that neither one of us needs to go to FL anymore But since they'll be opening one by me this summer I doubt I'll have too much reason to travel, but you can be sure I get out to CO at least once in the next year to play Will we finally get a chance to play together instead of watching each other? JenArianna Frances Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AlexCrowley 0 #27 February 7, 2006 thats exactly what I'm talking about. There seems to be this blind zealotry that defies reality in a certain subset of the geek population. I believe there's an evolution that occurs. Watching people lose that faith and mature is always a warming moment. It never ceases to amaze me the short sightedness of the 'community', but it has always been so. The only difference now is that there's more interest in applications for users rather than more tools for the geeks. As for there ever being any real progress? There hasnt been any on the part of the larger community. The great leaps forward have been led by IBM who were Microsoft BEFORE Microsoft, and other well funded commercial companies. I could rant for a long time, but this isnt that forum. TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob.dino 1 #28 February 7, 2006 The major advantage of open source is that you can add one feature without having to reinvent the entire car. For example, if I come up with a fancy new whizz-bang methodology for grammar correction, I can add it to OpenOffice/AbiWord/etc without having to go through all the other drudge work that's needed to have a useful word processor. Another way of putting it: Open Source dramatically lowers the cost of entry for new ideas. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AlexCrowley 0 #29 February 7, 2006 I totally disagree. The major advantage of good software architecture is that you can add one feature without having to reinvent the entire car. The source itself doesnt even play into it. Plugin mods arent exclusive to the Open Source community, or it's software. Before opensource there was shareware and public domain software. I dont think OS has a hand in 'cost of entry' at all. Neither does it breed new ideas. Spend a few hours on source forge and take note of the amount of redundant half finished crappily planned and executed open source apps. Sorry Bob, I see where you're coming from but Open Source is not unique in those aspects you bring up, in fact the majority of Open source is absolute crap that simply copies popular software really badly. Those products that *are* well built, managed and maintained tend to follow very traditional closed source development practices and life cycles, and are managed using traditional top down business techniques. TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob.dino 1 #30 February 7, 2006 I agree with what you're saying, but I think you're missing my point. So I want to add a cool new feature to Oracle. How do I do that without working for Oracle? I want to make it possible to dynamically load & unload FileSystemFilterDrivers in Windows. How do I do that without working for Microsoft? I want to try a new scheduling algorithm for operating system threads. If Open Source OSes aren't available, I've gotta write an entire OS before I can conduct realistic tests on my funky new algorithm. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AlexCrowley 0 #31 February 7, 2006 Not at all, I see your point I just happen to disagree with it. Cool new feature with Oracle? Um. Ok, write a cool new feature for MySQL and get that rolled into the main trunk. Open Source (your caps) is a very definite license, like commercial licenses, or BSD license. An application with openly available sources may be under a completely seperate license. For example: I am currently negotiating with a commercial company to purchase their web application, including software and the right to modify it as I see fit. It seems you're arguing about specific behemoth sized corporations rather than FOR Open Source. Dont use Windows, there's other OSes out there that might allow for dynamic loading of FooFilterDrivers out there. I'm not saying Open Source is bad - that would be stupid, I've built a career around it and cant' remember the last commercial application I used outside of my desktop machine. Im simply saying that the justifications used by Open Source zealots is largely inaccurate and nothing more than fanboy ravings of technical geeks that arrogantly believe that they 'Get It' and the rest of the business world has it's head up it's collective arse. (and no Bob, based on our conversations I'm certainly NOT referring to you in that paragraph). And if you're writing OS thread scheduling you should damn well write your own OS And just in case this conversations becoming too intelligent for the bonfire... Boobies! TEEHEEHEE Dick joke! BWAHAHAHAHA! Sycophantic bullshit in-joke that only my clique will understand!!! HAHAHAHA!! Witty, yet abrasive putdown because I didnt think of the funny comment in the parent post first!! MUHAHAHAHAA TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob.dino 1 #32 February 8, 2006 QuoteDont use Windows, there's other OSes out there that might allow for dynamic loading of FooFilterDrivers out there. Yeah, but when you're writing for a commercial desktop environment, you're kinda stuck with Windows. At least for the next 3-5 years. QuoteI'm not saying Open Source is bad - that would be stupid, I've built a career around it and cant' remember the last commercial application I used outside of my desktop machine. Im simply saying that the justifications used by Open Source zealots is largely inaccurate and nothing more than fanboy ravings of technical geeks that arrogantly believe that they 'Get It' and the rest of the business world has it's head up it's collective arse. I think we agree. That said, there are some stand-out exceptions; I've always found Bruce Perens to be smart, reasonable, and well worth listening to. QuoteDick joke! BWAHAHAHAHA! Sycophantic bullshit in-joke that only my clique will understand!!! HAHAHAHA!! Witty, yet abrasive putdown because I didnt think of the funny comment in the parent post first!! MUHAHAHAHAA Post deleted by bob.dino. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
