kelpdiver 2 #26 February 14, 2006 Quote My second question is....... Do you guys work for airtec/ vigil?? I mean c-mon it takes less than a second to hit delete on your computer....I know that isn't the point and all but.... A year back I finally had to change the way I was dealing with email...because I was getting a couple *million* fucking messages a month. So don't give me that bullshit about 'it only takes a second.' Feel free to test pilot this new device. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
divnswoop 0 #27 February 14, 2006 Quote When Kraft spends money doing their research, that's fine. That's free enterprise and that's legitimate business. With spam there's nothing legitimate about it, because the sender doesn't pay their fair share. Your only looking at it from one angle though. I know for a fact that Kraft gathers information from most of those "shopper" cards at your grocery store. Now they will take that info and send out direct mailers in certain parts of the country. So if they see that you haven't bought Kraft chedder and send you a coupon book or a "magazine" that is mostly a coupon book.....isn't that the same as what argus is doing? It is unsolicited mail directed at a possible consumer. I used to work for a magazine that was marketed to the top 25% of all Kroger customers. We had information about the entire east coast and used that info for "direct target advertising". Quote Just like a telemarketing call to your cell phone using up your anytime minutes. Just like a fax advertisement that uses up the paper and toner you paid for. I guess I don't get the volume of spam on my phone as you do....... I try to keep my cell phone number pretty quite. Quote .....I still hate spam..... Quote If you buy from spammers they will keep spamming. If I didn't buy from ANY spammer I got....I couldn't survive!! I didn't want a pizza tonight, but I got an email from Papa Johns...I'm not going to fly anywhere soon, but I got an unsolicited email from Airtran....Now is it ok if they email after you have used their services? I think that is spam too...Once again, I don't like spam either..... ANY type of advertising is going to upset some customers...I just didn't see this as such a "threatening" thing. I'm not going to spend extra energy attacking a skydiving company because of it. So, thats it for me.....I'll step down and listen to the "masses" of people that these unruling people at argus have upset.... ...this is bound for a SC transfer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HeatherB 0 #28 February 14, 2006 Quote Your only looking at it from one angle though. I know for a fact that Kraft gathers information from most of those "shopper" cards at your grocery store. Now they will take that info and send out direct mailers in certain parts of the country. So if they see that you haven't bought Kraft chedder and send you a coupon book or a "magazine" that is mostly a coupon book... Um, that's why you don't give them your real name or address. Winn-Dixie thinks there's a Marilyn Manson in Zephyrhills Florida. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #29 February 14, 2006 Quote Your only looking at it from one angle though. I know for a fact that Kraft gathers information from most of those "shopper" cards at your grocery store. Now they will take that info and send out direct mailers in certain parts of the country. So if they see that you haven't bought Kraft chedder and send you a coupon book or a "magazine" that is mostly a coupon book.....isn't that the same as what argus is doing? It is unsolicited mail directed at a possible consumer. It's not at all the same. Kraft paid money for that mailer. Since it's not free, they have to be sure that it's worth the expense. With spam, the cost is borne by the recipient, either directly in the effort to delete, or indirectly in the bandwidth and cpu time wasted by the ISP. So there's no economic check on the spammer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #30 February 14, 2006 If I receive an unsolicited email, I will NOT buy the product advertized in the email. If I have previously purchased something from your website and given you my email, feel free to send me email about your products, unless and until you're told to stop. It seems like this was a bot search or something, because I've got skydiving stuff on my website and I got spammed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pilotdave 0 #31 February 14, 2006 FYI, the emails appear to have been sent through http://www.emailgarage.com/. Here's what they think about this sorta thing: http://www.emailgarage.com/html/k2_det_article.asp?id=109&refid=0&parid=11. Course, they are a spammer. Interesting that they're using a local spammer... Apparently spam is a very big deal in belgium: http://www.emailgarage.com/html/k5_arch_belgium.asp. I guess it's best to go with locals that know the laws. A little belgian law I guess: "Through the royal Decree of 4th April 2003, companies are prohibited from sending commercial mailings e.g. via email if the addressee has not given its prior express authorisation for receiving such mailings. If no such consent is given, such mailings are considered as “spam” which could expose the company to fines and payment of damages." So remember when you sent that "express authorisation?" Yeah, big mistake! Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
divnswoop 0 #32 February 14, 2006 Quote It's not at all the same. Kraft paid money for that mailer. Since it's not free, they have to be sure that it's worth the expense. LOL!!! So it is ok that I got unsolicited mail from Kraft because it cost them money to do so? It's still Spam in my book....not on the computer, but the same thing. It cost me extra if I throw away more than the 55 gallon trash can I'm allowed a week or if I don't recycle that unsolicied TRASH they sent me....So, I encourage everybody to boycott Argus and their lack of concern for you the customer.... Personally, I wish they would send it to me so I can learn more about their product... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Paige 0 #33 February 14, 2006 Those 'customer cards' can also be used againist you in court. If you are up for DUI charges and they see a ton of alcohol purchases on your 'customer cards' they can bring that up in the court of law.Tunnel Pink Mafia Delegate www.TunnelPinkMafia.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #34 February 14, 2006 Quote Quote It's not at all the same. Kraft paid money for that mailer. Since it's not free, they have to be sure that it's worth the expense. LOL!!! So it is ok that I got unsolicited mail from Kraft because it cost them money to do so? Pull on your ears a little bit, then reread the second paragraph. The sender pay the cost using postal service. In spam and in junk faxing, the recipient pays. That's why the first is legal, and the latter two are not. Doesn't mean everyone is pleased, but that's the end result. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
